I don't see how this game will be anything but disappointing. I'm not saying it will be bad, but people have unrealistic expectations, as they did for No Man's Sky. People want too much from these space sim type games. They want an expansive universe with seemingly infinite things to do. Guess what... making a whole universe is hard. All games, and people, have their limit. Just be fortunate if you get 20 hours of fun out of it.
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Star Citizen at $141 million of funding.
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That is so detailed, omg.
This is going to be NMS times 10. Mark my words. There are people spending upwards of $1000 on pre-release ships. It's baffling to watch unfold every year, there's a good reason why Giant Bomb mostly considers them laughable.
Well I'm totally convinced.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Funding got ridiculous 2 years ago.
Weltall Zero
Member
That list is fascinating. Vanilla World of Warcraft made on just 40 million, while Deadpool and APB cost 100 million? That's crazy.
Equally crazy are some of the dev/marketing ratios. MW2, dev cost 50M, marketing cost 200M. Then there are those that are crazy because of the opposite: The Old Republic, dev cost 200M, marketing cost 11M. One wonders if it could have done better with a bit more marketing.
Equally crazy are some of the dev/marketing ratios. MW2, dev cost 50M, marketing cost 200M. Then there are those that are crazy because of the opposite: The Old Republic, dev cost 200M, marketing cost 11M. One wonders if it could have done better with a bit more marketing.
Ragnar Blackmane
Member
Constantly having to overhaul the visual assets and the engine work to be state of the art will have a serious impact on devolopment time, just throwing that in. And it will get worse and worse the longer development drags on.
In addition to the feature creep. And all the finished outsourced work from one, two or three years ago they are doing all over again themselves. At one point they will have to start to lock things down content wise.
People keep bringing up GTA V, but I bet if we were able to keep tabs on that game's development from the very beginning there would be multiple points where we'd go "shit, this is getting out of hand. Will this game ever come out?"
See the "get me the Benz" stuff. If we could see that stuff unfold in real-time, I bet the development of GTA V would look way more fraught than Star Citizen.
See the "get me the Benz" stuff. If we could see that stuff unfold in real-time, I bet the development of GTA V would look way more fraught than Star Citizen.
Herr Schwarz
Banned
But they made GTA 4 before that so you know they are capable of delivering.
Looking forward to the Thread "SC reaches 200 million in crowd funding, will feature scooba diving in planets, inter galactic formula 1 championship, an entire "so you think you can dance" contest and cooking lessons by Jamie Oliver."
Release date: TBD 2025 but you can play beta cooking contest tho
Release date: TBD 2025 but you can play beta cooking contest tho
Spuck-uk
Banned
But Chris Roberts made Freelancer!*
*By 'made', I mean 'bungled development so badly that he had the project taken off him by Microsoft. '
I love Giant Bomb but your post is not convincing anyone other than you looking forward to it failing. The game will be fine. I really don't get the hate it's been getting but it really does make me shake my head.
I also haven't seen an convincing argument on why they are going to fail and the game is going to be crap, I've seen arguments from people that shouldn't be believed like derek smart but so far I would like to see an actual argument on why it's going to fail.
Peroroncino
Member
This is gonna crash and burn hard, mark my words.
Of course I'd like to be wrong, but if they didn't make an outstanding game already with this kind of paper, it's only gonna get worse over time with constantly diminishing budget, because the interest is fading along with donations.
As for me, I'm gonna probably buy Elite: Dangerous and have my fill there.
Of course I'd like to be wrong, but if they didn't make an outstanding game already with this kind of paper, it's only gonna get worse over time with constantly diminishing budget, because the interest is fading along with donations.
As for me, I'm gonna probably buy Elite: Dangerous and have my fill there.
No it certainly isn't outdated. I really do think it looks pretty good. But at the same time, when the first images/videos were shown I found it quite impressive, but their competition has caught up with them now/in the process of doing so.
In the end this type of game won't live on the visuals though I think.
Because some of what they are trying to do is literally impossible. There are reasons no-one has ever attempted what they are doing before, and it's not because he's some grand visionary and everyone else is stuck in the mud.
Because Chris Roberts hasn't successfully launched a game without someone else intervening and bailing him out in decades.
Because the model they are using to fund their game looks like a scam operation, and the clear focus they have on selling ships over anything else is a warning sign.
Because they have slipped release and info deadlines constantly, often without warning.
Because they are more obsessed with mo-capping expensive actors lip syncing than they are showing us an actual interesting, functioning game.
Outrun
Member
There are lots of causes of concern though,the most obvious is the failure of CIG to hit the dates that they themselves have set.
Their solution now is not to set any dates. If we have joined today, that may be acceptable. If you joined in 2013, there may be a disconnect between what Roberts says today, and what he stated a couple of years back...
CIG states that they have enough money to complete the project. They need to start delivering soon. I don't consider 2.6 to be proof of time and resources well spent. The new hope now is that 3.0 (which should have been out end of 2016) will be the update that shows this project coming together.
I will believe it when I see it, and not a moment before.
Graphics Horse
Member
As fans are literally setting the budget and ambition of the game with their support, the only way to see this released is to convince each other to stop pumping money into it.
RubberJohnny
Banned
The game already has this planned LOL, and the ability to train in alien martial arts, mix drinks using fluid simulations, teach aliens cultural concepts, a player run arbitration guild to settle organisation disputes, and a full career as a Sports Star in the scifi universe.
None of this with a single line of code written of course, it's really hard to parody because they'll have thought of the most ludicrous stuff before you.
Spuck-uk
Banned
Quoting this so I can return every few months for a hearty chuckle.
This amazing tech being a butchered reworking of Cryengine?
Ragnar Blackmane
Member
Oh my, things do look more dire than I imagined when it comes to feature creep. It is really turning into a self running parody by now. Release in 2025 it is then.
The anti-CIG circle jerk is so strong here, it's insane. It's like you guys refuse to even acknowledge the possibility that they're actually making a game or that their timelines aren't that unusual for a big AAA title.
After they just put out their biggest content release to date with 2.6, have 3.0 upcoming and show no signs of stopping or slowing down. If anything development has been looking better and better since Erin Roberts took over.
After they just put out their biggest content release to date with 2.6, have 3.0 upcoming and show no signs of stopping or slowing down. If anything development has been looking better and better since Erin Roberts took over.
I literally can't tell if you are joking
sixteen-bit
Member
congrats on the funding milestone
Dictator93
Member
That is so insulting to the hard work of engineers having to create solutions to things on a rendering level or interactivity / scale level that 99% of other games never even have to consider (physics grids, zone system, 1st person / 3rd person, etc.). Heck, even MJP of ReadyAtDawn fame (as part of a team that made one of the best looking games out there) referenced the way Star Citizen does ship damage as an inspiration for future advances in their engine.
Spuck-uk
Banned
Nothing they have put out comes close to being finished, and what little there is, is disappointing. They have no track record to suggest they're capable of delivering what they've promised, and what they've promised is so bloated it's doubtful that t's even possible.
Outside of the SC subreddit, I think you'll find this is a fairly common opinion.
Spuck-uk
Banned
These are all things that have been promised, yes.
A sandbox game with so many things to do, lol what a ridiculous idea!
boneyjangles
Member
This game needs a ruthless editor.
Spuck-uk
Banned
This is the ship damage that doesn't actually exist in-game, yes?
That they based a massive scale game off an engine entirely unsuited for it because it made things look pretty does tell you a lot about their ambition versus their competence.
Good point, they should've used an engine suited for ground level FPS scaled up to full solar systems in a single map, with full physics simulation on the interior of moving vehicles.
Care to name such an engine?
Meanwhile they haven't even been able to show a single basic mission of Squadron 42. Which had its initial release date set as 2014.
ultrazilla
Member
Expensive new offices around the world to help with the feature creep.
That's ridiculous. Feature creep is an understatement. I hope no one genuinely expects whatever this final project ends up being to have all this stuff.
Spuck-uk
Banned
They should have taken one look at the scale of what they promised, and realised there wasn't an engine capable of creating this game, and built their own with appropriate supporting middleware, yes, agreed.
Except they didn't, they went 'yup, Crysis is pretty'.
To clarify, I'd love this game to even do half of what it's promise, within anything resembling a timescale before it DNF's and other games overtake it visually. But based on experience, and what I've been told from friends working at 'RSI', that just isn't going to happen.
What a stupid comment.
If anything, this game is the Anti-NMS where the devs have made their fans updated from the start and the ones who are invested in it know exactly where their money is going and what they are getting out of it.
It drives me up the f'n wall how many people are willing to ignore that bit of history. I enjoyed Freelancer a lot but looking at that game's development I never would have gotten to play it had he not been removed and the game taken away from him. That's after delays and him running out of money (I think he had to get additional funding around this time and still ran out of that) and having to sell his company and game to Microsoft to keep development going.
There is really is nothing in Robert's history that suggest he's a good manager of anything be it from projects to money. Weren't pretty much all the Wing Commander games he worked on delayed and over budget and that's with him not even ultimately being in charge of the studios or management just the development team.
Now I will admit I like some if not many of his ideas. It's the primary reason I enjoyed the Wing Commander games I played and Freelancer. I think that's just it though. I think he's a ideas man and it should be up to other people to implement those ideas without him directing the details of how those ideas get brought to life. He needs someone else with control of the money to tell him no. Some people need that check on them even if they believe they don't. I firmly believe this is why past games, with their problems, eventually came out. The bad management on his part was already there and with the the check and balance removed we have the current situation since he's now at the top with a revenue source that is stopping a repeat of Freelancer where he has to go to another company or see it all die.
The game's original budget was under 30 million and wasn't planning all the seamless transitions between planets and space. On top of budget concerns, building a new from scratch engine would've added even more years to their timeline.
I dont know where the fuck MY money has gotten into and I wish I did like Roberts initially promised people that funded them during that period. I genuinely want them to follow up on their promise to audit the company after delaying the game for this long. It would eradicate any distrust I have in their management if their books show they have 80m+ left in the bank to finance at least the next 2 years of development that would represent the bare minimum needed to release the title.
You know nothing is appropriate response here. Ben Parry who worked on Elite dangerous and now working on star citizen went through all the options rsi had to make star citizen. https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/6644630/#Comment_6644630 read it!
Hahah, no they dont. What ridiculous nonsense.
They have missed every single release date they have given. A game that was supposed to be out 3 years ago still hasn't had a single bit of gameplay shown for it. Meanwhile, despite promising no more feature creep people are still being hit up for new ships money in an incredibly aggressive way that makes it seem like the main point of RSI is selling spaceships.
The idea that RSI has been really transparent and everyone knows where the money is going is objectively false. We don't have a clue where the money has gone because nothing they have shown off comes close to justifying that amount of cash, and theyve consistently missed their own deadlines for literally years.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
My disappointment is kind of in the opposite direction; I am not super interested in a lot of secondary/tertiary features that are being added. They look to be well executed and all that, but I kind of just want a freelancer-y space sim where I can fly around like Han Solo, selling shit and getting into space battles and getting that sweet cash to buy new ships and bigger guns.
I don't really regret contributing to SC, but I probably would have been better off just buying Elite Dangerous based on what I am looking for.
What are you talking about? Ship damage was implemented like almost year ago to live builds, every ship uses it now.
Damage states also work, i had my engines blow up or damaged, parts of my ships flying away which made me way harder or impossible to control etc.
Have you even played it?
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Disaster of a project.
Feel sorry for all those that put their money in and will have to be mentally excusing all the incredible jank for the products lifetime.
Feel sorry for all those that put their money in and will have to be mentally excusing all the incredible jank for the products lifetime.
You would have thought the entire gaming industry would have learned about this kind of hubris with the giant walking example that was and is Duke Nukem Forever. If they'd delivered half of what they'd planned we'd have gotten the game eight years earlier and it probably would have been ground-breaking for its time.
Instead we got a terribly anachronistic game no one really liked, all because 3D Realms had more money than sense.
With that said, the date it "actually" releases doesn't mean much in this era of software development. It could be a good game at version 0.0.2 even if it doesn't have all the bells and whistles. Hell I've been using pieces of software for a decade that just got to 1.0 and that didn't matter to me at all. Will be interesting to see if SC ends up making a definitive "this will be enough for 1.0 feature complete, the rest will come later" decision at some point.
ignore him, he spews ignorance and lies like "friends working with RSI".
Posts like this are embarrassing tbh.
Either you aren't following the progress, don't understand game development, or both.
There are places to be critical of RSI, but "disaster of a project" is far from an informed conclusion.
RubberJohnny
Banned
I might as well post the not-even-complete list of stuff still to do in every SC thread to warn people off:
Oh, and they're actually building two games, and this is only one of them, and they're doing this with a dev team half the size of the one building Destiny 2, a much smaller less ambitious game.
Also they thought the other game, SQ42, the one with all the celebrity actors, could be built for only $6 million dollars at a time when AAA games were costing $60 million, and in fact thought $6 million was such a huge amount they could build a whole MMO more ambitious than any MMO ever as a stretch goal without expanding the budget at all!
Oh, and they're actually building two games, and this is only one of them, and they're doing this with a dev team half the size of the one building Destiny 2, a much smaller less ambitious game.
Also they thought the other game, SQ42, the one with all the celebrity actors, could be built for only $6 million dollars at a time when AAA games were costing $60 million, and in fact thought $6 million was such a huge amount they could build a whole MMO more ambitious than any MMO ever as a stretch goal without expanding the budget at all!
Outrun
Member
Keep up with the strawman arguments.
CIG and Roberts set schedules that they themselves fail to meet, and you are blaming those that took him at his word...
Once again, 3.0 was supposed to be out end of 2016. It is late, and CIG are not giving any dates now.
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