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Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
- Thread starter LelouchZero
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tiredheadcrab
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Hey so looking at the pic of the hardware put together, is anyone else getting a bit OCD about the optical drive being on the right instead of the left?
I'll get used to it. But it's different.
I'll get used to it. But it's different.
It's using custom x86 cores, not Jaguar.
They are absolutely not trying to hide the fact that they are still using Jaguars.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Not a single Forza game on XB1 has suffered from black crush.
Hockeymac18
Member
I don't really see it - especially since these are completely different scenes.
I also don't think Forza has ever had black crush issues...
DigitalScrap
Member
It kinda seems like they are. Why wouldn't they just put Jaguar there too? I mean, we ALL thought it would still be Jaguar, so it is a little disingenuous to do that.
But hey, it fooled me at a glance when I noticed they didn't specify custom Jaguar there, so I guess it worked for a brief moment.
Metalingus5150
Member
A publication incorrectly stated that the Matt posting in the thread is Matt Pettineo.
Hockeymac18
Member
There is a very good reason for that.
Aztechnology
Member
I agree that it will be a much tougher sell. They don't have the software and there's a greater chance you have friends on playstation than Xbox. If they can get a big software title out though, it would be helpful.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Straight to the trash heap.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
4 Games With Gold per month, 40+ EA Access games for £20, Live sales and freebies, plus the upcoming Game Pass (access to 100+ games, Neflix style but full downloads not streaming) - you'll be drowning in games in no time, trust me
Don't bite the hand that feeds.
They used it here
haha "Custom x86 (Jaguar Evolved)" and "Customized Jaguar x86" mean literally the same thing
Pathfinder
Member
LiveFromKyoto
Member
Now that NPDs are boring, nothing brings GAF together like a console launch.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
But they did.
They said it's 8 Jaguar cores.
As I had said in the pre thread, my info was a modified version of the existing Bone APU. Which turned out to be right.
It's obviously a Jaguar. But still a fairly modified one tweaked to achieve whatever it is they're trying to achieve to make it easier for devs.
How are Xbox One games able to run on the Scorpio?
I understand that the CPU and GPU architectures are the same, but the Xbox One has that 32 MB cache of ESRAM. So if Xbox One games are specifically hard coded to utilize that cache, how are they able to run natively on Scorpio?
I understand that the CPU and GPU architectures are the same, but the Xbox One has that 32 MB cache of ESRAM. So if Xbox One games are specifically hard coded to utilize that cache, how are they able to run natively on Scorpio?
not sure what you're insinuating
Hockeymac18
Member
Yeah, their wording could definitely have been better there.
I am literally talking about this breakdown:
I am not trying to insinuate anything about DF here please don't get me wrong. I just thought it was silly
Pathfinder
Member
I'm messing around.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I am literally talking about this breakdown:
I am not trying to insinuate anything about DF here please don't get me wrong. I just thought it was silly
Ah ok. Cool. I mean, it's tricky wording. They're technically not wrong. Technically.
They're just omitting the wording for whatever reason.
I am literally talking about this breakdown:
I am not trying to insinuate anything about DF here please don't get me wrong. I just thought it was silly
The Pro with that vanilla Jaguar
Vol5
Member
I'd like to know this as well. Perhaps it's silicon based solution which re-routes calls for ESRAM to the faster GDDR5.
statham
Member
Someone mentioned jags cant go above 2.1 so maybe kinda true?
CassidyIzABeast
Member
"The memory system we've got, we've got enough bandwidth to more than cover what we got from ESRAM," explains Nick Baker. "We simply go and use our virtual memory system to map the 32MB of physical address that the old games thought they got into 32MB in the GDDR5. So latency is higher, but in terms of aggregate performance, the improved bandwidth and improved GPU performance means we don't hit any issues."
DigitalScrap
Member
LOL I get why they might would want to try that, but I mean the fact that anyone who would notice that "Jaguar" is omitted is likely to be someone who will research it more (or someone who comes here and quickly learns that it still is Jaguar based).
All it does is look bad, and now we are talking about the omission, which makes it look worse.
Hockeymac18
Member
I think you're being sarcastic, but I actually do look forward to a deeper dive into the CPU modifications and how they improve everything from baseline Jaguar.
It doesn't seem to simply be "just Jaguar", but we also don't really know how those modifications translate to the games (beyond the reducing load stuff in regards to the DX12 stuff).
I hope DF, or even MS themselves, release some details about how much these off-loading improvements and other customization improve things - perhaps with some examples (e.g. game A running on regular Jaguar would be at this FPS, but Scorpio's can push it to this FPS...or something like that).
So it's a refreshed Jaguar with better TDP, and 200MHz boost....
It's still boring.
I mean, they had to do it, to keep the porting of games easy.
But as a piece of tech, it's not interesting.
DigitalScrap
Member
Yes, I'm definitely hoping we get some deeper insight into how it has been modified.
Maybe it's talking about the higher clock and the baked in Direct X 12? Idk it does seem rather silly but they probably thought they were being disingenuous if there is a difference and they didn't somehow clarify it.
Hugh Swank
Member
Man...I haven't heard the word "Neato" in a long time...Gave me a good chuckle. I personally think the Scorpio is super neato as well and I will be picking-up two of them at launch.
It's the way the CPU is integrated with other customizations that makes it interesting...if you look beyond just the (CPU it's based on) part of it.
That's pretty cool.
Was about to say the same.
They are mandating that if a 3rd party chooses to add such a mode, that mode must be available to all users, no matter what type of display they have hooked up and configured.
So, if a company patches in a mode that bumps the resolution of a game from 1080p to 2160p, that mode must be available to everyone, not just those with 4k monitors hooked up.
Similarly, if a company patches in a mode that lets you choose to run at 1080p, while boosting the frame rate and doubling the draw distance, that mode must be available to folks with 4k displays as well.
It's pretty much common sense, of course you'd want it to work that way, but apparently this isn't always the case on the PS4 Pro.
Liabe Brave
Member
I don't believe accusations of bias, but Digital Foundry does make mistakes. For example, in these comparisons they posted that PS4 Pro has 8GB of GDDR5, of which 5GB is available to games. In actual fact, it has 8GB GDDR5 and 1GB DDR3, and 5.5GB of GDDR5 is available to games.
No, they're doing downsampling via the API. The end result isn't much different than with Sony's machine, though. There are only 16 PS4 Pro games that don't downsample, and that's a good thing for 2 of them.
Scorpio's power will not be most apparent with supersampled 1080p.
The Athlon 5370 is 2.2GHz at 28nm
Metalingus5150
Member
How well does the Xbox One S play 4K blu rays?
4 Games With Gold per month, 40+ EA Access games for £20, Live sales and freebies, plus the upcoming Game Pass (access to 100+ games, Neflix style but full downloads not streaming) - you'll be drowning in games in no time, trust me
Maybe, but those are games that are chosen for you. I would prefer to choose my own games.
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
Member
This makes me pretty excited for the next gen xbox, the one after Scorpio. I don't know if it would be worth it to get a console that plays games in 4K, because I don't know what a 4K game looks like. I wish there were demo stations for PS4 pro, so I could see if it's a big enough deal or not.