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I'd prefer a transgender Samus.
Yes over two thousand hours within the series proper, two smash bros appearances, various manga appearances, various action figures, various cameos in other games, and all time people have collectively had to get to know the Samus under the mask, but let's burn all that to the ground, let's arbitrary rebrand Samus as black and spend tons of money trying to erase the previous Samus, all to appease Neogaf, because that's what Nintendo wants to do is take a series that already doesn't sell well and make what little brand awareness it has even more confusing, as opposed to just making a new character to star alongside Samus.
I'm talking about the humanoid characters... so why even bring up Kirby?But of course, because traditional asian names like Link, mario, luigi, samus, princess peach, Icarus, kirby and so many others make it incredibly obvious!
Ooh, which ones?
Such as?
Do I really have to spell it out for you guys? The characters from the Legend of Zelda series, the characters from the Fire Emblem series, the characters from the Pokemon series, the characters from the Xenoblade series, etc. There is nothing that says these characters are white just because a lot of them have light skin. Also, I didn't say that they are Asian either, I said have any of you considered it? Light skin does not equal white.
The characters from the Legend of Zelda series, the characters from the Fire Emblem series, the characters from the Pokemon series, the characters from the Xenoblade series, etc. There is nothing that says these characters are white just because a lot of them have light skin. Also, I didn't say that they are Asian either, I said have any of you considered it? Light skin does not equal white.
Do I really have to spell it out for you guys? The characters from the Legend of Zelda series, the characters from the Fire Emblem series, the characters from the Pokemon series, the characters from the Xenoblade series, etc. There is nothing that says these characters are white just because a lot of them have light skin. Also, I didn't say that they are Asian either, I said have any of you considered it? Light skin does not equal white.
Europe doesn't exist either and this is the post I originally responded to:Yes, and we all considered that those series take places in fictional universes where Asia doesn't exist
They have a bunch of white people and then animals and monsters and shit. that's not the kind of diversity people are talking about
I don't even know what your sarcasm is implying...Just like all those dark skinned Nintendo characters aren't Black. Oh wait.
Yes, smash is a great example when popular characters like mr game n watch and duck hunt get those same thingsFunny how that measly 1% of the time is popular enough to have it's own action figures, name, amiibo, and spot in Smash, yet is so miniscule that it shouldn't matter to anyone.
I agree, but going by the logic presented in the thread; watch your footing. ;P
Europe doesn't exist either and this is the post I originally responded to:
Yes, smash is a great example when popular characters like mr game n watch and duck hunt get those same things
Actually, much like Samus, Link's hair is depicted as both brown and blonde in the first game. As for ALttP, his hair is blond it's just pink in game, similar to how Agahnim has a red cloak but it's green in the game.Definitely not clones. In the NES Zelda, Link had brown hair, in Link to the Past he was pink haired, then for the most part he was blonde.
I actually don't know or care to reaserch how well "black characters" sell. My point was that changing a character like Samus seems like a huge waste of effort for very little gain. I mean should they also patch all the virtual console games to make Samus black in those? What of Smash, would it be allowed to make reference to the pre-reboot samus?That's a lot of words for "black people don't sell."
Bro Smash actually introduced me to both Samus and Zero Suit Samus. In fact it introduce me to Mr. Game & Watch as well. So yeah, Smash has an effect on how people view Ninty characters, thanks for pointing that out.Yes, smash is a great example when popular characters like mr game n watch and duck hunt get those same things
Asian the race, not the nationality. It's not my fault they didn't name it after a color. What am I supposed to say? East Asian? Japanese?Just because the fictional universe doesn't have a Europe doesn't mean white people can't exist in them. You're talking about "Asians" like everyone from Asia has the same skin tone. That's why you're confusing people.
That's a lot of words for "black people don't sell."
I really like the second one, though I wouldn't much care for Samus dying. :/ Conversely, the first Prime made it canon that the Chozo existed on multiple planets, so I fail to see how a second person like Samus couldn't also exist somewhere in the Metroid Universe. Heck, she could even be Samus's rival.No seriously just make the new character be a orphan samus raised/trained.
Then do one of two things,
Samus has them go off on a final test of sorts, things slowly start to go bad, power ups can be a mix of samus giving access to powers samus used plus finding new things. Near the end Samus and new character team up to fight the final boss
Or
Samus and the orphan get ambushed by something/someone, Samus goes out like a bad ass protecting the orphan, but now the orphan is stranded alone on a planet and slowly get their upgrades learning how to use the suit and so on trying to survive
Grats you just made a new main character for the metroid series and a new story arc
I really like the second one, though I wouldn't much care for Samus dying. :/ Conversely, the first Prime made it canon that the Chozo existed on multiple planets, so I fail to see how a second person like Samus couldn't also exist somewhere in the Metroid Universe. Heck, she could even be Samus's rival.
Kind of like Dark Pit.
Man, now I wonder how would a Metroid directed by Sakurai would look like.
"White" and "black" are just simpler ways of saying "of European decent" and "of African decent" anyway.
Does Mario need a mustache? Why can't Poke Balls be cubes? Does Princess Peach need to be royalty or would the games work with her as a commoner?So has anyone explained why Samus inherently needs to be white?
For example if they redesigned her look but kept the skin tone the same. How many would be arguing that a reboot is still needed?
Samus is an established person.
I'd be ok with a black character who does stuff like Samus.
So has anyone explained why Samus inherently needs to be white?
For example if they redesigned her look but kept the skin tone the same. How many would be arguing that a reboot is still needed?
There is no inherent reason she has to be white, in fact there's rarely any Nintendo character has to be anything. Twintelle could easily be Japanese or Korean. There's just no real benefits to rebooting a franchise and significantly altering the main character when simply introducing a new character alongside the existing character does not only everything this hypothetical change would in spades, but also so much more.
I also fail to see how Nintendo would market past Metroid games, especially ones on the VC without stirring up confusion amongst uninformed gamers.
I really like the second one, though I wouldn't much care for Samus dying. :/ Conversely, the first Prime made it canon that the Chozo existed on multiple planets, so I fail to see how a second person like Samus couldn't also exist somewhere in the Metroid Universe. Heck, she could even be Samus's rival.
There's also no reason this new hypothetical character can't also be named "Samus."
Also you might want to reconsider your word choices in the above post.
A) It wouldn't make sense to have two character coexist at the same time with the same name.
B) by "uninformed gamers" I'm referring to children. Specifically children who would be introduced to Samus via the hypothetical presented by the op. Why get the hopes of a young girl up by presenting her with a character who visually she can relate to only to dash said hopes when said little girl goes back to previous games and finds a "Samus" that is nothing like her "Samus?" Especially when you can just introduce said little girl to a new character who would exist alongside Samus, and have her become a fan of both and be able to enjoy any game in the franchise.
It's a teaching opportunity, in our world two different people can have the same name, just look at how many Mohammeds there are.
It works fine for Link.
....Modern? WatI'm not, I'm just not oblivious to the fact that the petite blonde is the evolution of the original design to make it more "modern." Which if a far far far cry different then changing her race.
Agreed. Actually I hated how in Zero Mission you played so much of Samus without her suit with those stealth sections. I was like "bitch this isn't Metroid, I don't want stealth in my Metroid, and I don't want to play a skinny girl without a suit, I want the badass armoured bounty hunter!"I feel people would have a better argument in defending a drastic change to her armor design than her skin color.
True.I don't trust Nintendo with any depiction of any version of Samus at this point.
Wooooow what the fucking fuck....then you got shit like this happening within the same game.
Honest question: if comic books can make big changes like this, why can't video games? I totally welcome it, personally.