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More Rayman Legends media released: 5 screens and boxart... No port begging
- Thread starter pramath
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Rayman Legends makes NSBMU look 2 gens behind (GameCube).
Daydream Sequence
Banned
And Ubisoft needs to take notes from Mario on how tight a platformer's controls should be. Then we'd have something.
Zekra Dezivad
Member
Meanwile at Nintendo: New Super Mario Bros U
Pfft. Origins plays fine.
I didn't mean to be offensive, sorry if I came up that way. Just thought it was a weird complaint.
I believe it is, like Origins. Confirmed at E3 iirc.
I managed to squeeze in some play time with Trine 2 at E3 on Wii U and it looked and played perfectly. I was told the team ported the ENTIRE game in just a matter of weeks. I also asked if additional features would be incoming like touch screen support and was told they are assessing that with a good possibility of SOME new things happening.
I just wish they would have done a package deal, Trine Collection including both games.
gameplay wise I still think origins was fine but NSMBW but it was a better looking game
I agree with Kaijima a bit that every game shouldn't look like Rayman, obviously whats great with art is a variety of styles and voices. But really, the NSMB look is clean without also also being appealing which I think is what triggers the "I want Mario to look like this!" comments, because the Rayman games carry obvious appeal.
I think a good fit for Mario would be the middleground between NSMB and Rayman that is Wario Land Shake It. Its clean, vibrant, and appealing. I think the backgrounds in NSMBU are finally stepping up to the plate, but if we could have that and characters that looked like the NES/GB/SNES boxarts - oh man. That'd be right on the money for Mario.
Yes, I can only understand "oh god, there'll be a console launch and there are many awesome games I want for the system! Yet i won't buy the console" logic if you actually lack money. This, my friends, is a true system seller.
Btw, no Globox on the cover? Booo! That guy is so much better than Rayman that the title of the first game should have been Globox Origins.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Mother of God. I... I think I need this.
But I can't spring for a Wii U at launch. I should just buy a copy when it comes out and wait to get a Wii U. :/
But I can't spring for a Wii U at launch. I should just buy a copy when it comes out and wait to get a Wii U. :/
Daydream Sequence
Banned
Plays fine, but not tight. Could be so much better. Especially for a game that requires so much speed and accuracy.
For you perhaps. For me, not even close. Origins didn't sell and it's essentially the same game. This isn't a system seller. This is a game I buy along with the system when I eventually do have a reason to buy it, though. For 19.99 or less like Origins. A new Metroid FPS would probably be a system seller for me.
Spieler Eins
Member
NSMBU looks fine in certain areas, that is some of the backgrounds which are pretty nice looking. Too bad the foreground palette and Mario himself are still so unimpressive.
And obviously just copying Rayman wouldn't fit Mario, but even other Nintendo games like Epic Yarn or DKC Returns show that it could be something better.
And obviously just copying Rayman wouldn't fit Mario, but even other Nintendo games like Epic Yarn or DKC Returns show that it could be something better.
Holy shit, Yoshi's Island artstyle in HD would be amazing!
Rayman Legends looks beautiful.
No, otherwise they would've chosen this style
instead of that.
Or something like this
instead of that.
No, otherwise they would've chosen this style
instead of that.
Or something like this
instead of that.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Oh man, if this game had Wario Land: Shake It quality animation I just might die.
Marketing will make or break the game, really. It isn't surprising that Origins was lackluster in sales: the overwhelming majority are looking for dudebro shooters, and people probably could not comprehend a 2D game looking good. A release coinciding w/ WiiU's launch could really be a way of jump-starting the Rayman brand again... though being Ubi they'll just spend all their advertising money on ZombieU and let Rayman Legends die a slow death again.
While I can certainly see the reason Nintendo made NSMB U look the way it does for marketing reasons (simplicity, familiarity, mass market appeal)... yes, Rayman Legends blows it out of the water.
Personally, I think Rayman completely destroys the 2D Mario franchise in every way.
Personally, I think Rayman completely destroys the 2D Mario franchise in every way.
I can agree with that. Overall the game isn't bad at all in terms of controls though imo.
Rayman Origins was my GOTY for 2011. I would have no problem getting this for $60.
I'm not getting a Wii U just for this though. Not interested in the system (at the moment). I hope a spinoff version comes out for the 360 sometime soon.
What makes these Rayman games look so good is not the art style itself, but how vividly they display that art style. There's virtually no sense of disconnect between concept and gameplay - it looks like you are literally playing a piece of production art.
One of the only other games to do this for me has been Muramasa on the Wii. I actually consider it the best-looking Wii game I've ever seen because it nearly completely removed the barrier between the original art and what I was playing.
Daydream Sequence
Banned
Seems like every single console and handheld launch now comes with a Rayman game of some sort. I admire the fact that they don't give up trying. For me personally, it wasn't because I wanted a "dudebro" game instead (unless Dark Souls is dudebro now), but because Origins didn't strike me to be a wise use of my 60 dollars. A month later and I nabbed it for 19.99. Well worth it at that price. Bought it again on Vita for 19.99. I've done my part to support them, but I won't be buying a new console just for that series. I don't like it as much. A beautifully rendered Yoshi's Island type game? For that yes.
If Rayman's controls aren't 'tight' I want to know what is. If you say Super Meat Boy, you are missing the point. The controls are so 'tight' in that game that it's unrealistic. It exchanges a lot of friction for pinpoint challenges. Where as Rayman uses momentum as part of the challenge.
In other words, the classic platformers with Super Meat Boys controls/physics would be shit easy
In other words, the classic platformers with Super Meat Boys controls/physics would be shit easy
Mario games should not look like this
MagicWithEarvin
Member
Very clean looking game.
Origins controls and gameplay are bloody brilliant. Haters be damned.
Goddamn. My only concern is the word from E3 about it being 30FPS. I don't have a source on that, but I read it on GAF. The game looks stunning in stills but it needs a smooth framerate to do it justice in motion.
There's some room for improvement, but overall the controls are great. I'm always a bit baffled when I see people claim that Rayman had unwieldy controls.
There's some room for improvement, but overall the controls are great. I'm always a bit baffled when I see people claim that Rayman had unwieldy controls.
Saint Gregory
Member
StoppedInTracks
Member
This is some legendary level of graphics right there, HOLY SHIT.
slaughterking
Member
No. This style of animation (skeletal, squish, rotate, scale, etc) is not at all appropriate to the Mario franchise. It's a fine and frankly inevitable choice for Rayman and iOS games, but still remains an approach that carries an inevitable flash-like feel in motion.
As much as I initially felt cautious about NSMB's adoption of 2.5D over pixel art, that was the right decision to make when creating a contemporary Mario platformer. There's a higher level of clarity (foreground/background differentiation) and precision (sharply defined platform and object edges, collisions) needed with Mario's style of platforming, as well as a need for fluid animation of Mario's motions, whereas Rayman characters will always look like a set of changing 2D images shifting atop a frame.
Been playing my copy of NSMB2 for the past day or so, and yeah its great - but the artstyle and music is a COMPLETE copy and paste from NSMB Wii. Meh.
Major Williams
Member
Not if we aren't planning on purchasing a Wii U. We love Rayman Origins, and won't play Legends until both the console and game come down in price, which will be in 2 years. So we don't love Legends now.
Origins control is relatively fine, it's just that it's annoying how I was never totally confident with it, that and how wall jumping slow you.
And no at mario looking like that, it has its proper and highly reconizable style tied to the particular level design of the serie and even more don't need having the action taking place in the middle ground of the scene for the sake of making an organic image.
Also I don't understand how the last rayman games are so often compared to the mario serie when it wouldn't surprise me if DKCR was running strong at ubi during the 2011 part of the development.
And no at mario looking like that, it has its proper and highly reconizable style tied to the particular level design of the serie and even more don't need having the action taking place in the middle ground of the scene for the sake of making an organic image.
Also I don't understand how the last rayman games are so often compared to the mario serie when it wouldn't surprise me if DKCR was running strong at ubi during the 2011 part of the development.
Always-honest
Banned
I'm not to fond of it either.. but the colours are great for a game like this.
Saint Gregory
Member
Hearing about the music is the most disappointing thing to me.
The idea of Mario games without memorable music just make me :'(
Even the fortress music has those annoying vocals now! Gaaaaahhh
Jaded Alyx
Member
undercoverb0ss
Member
Love the PC version, but sucks that there are black bars for 16:10 resolutions.