Honestly I don't know if there's anything significant in these screenshots :/
http://www.vgleaks.com/some-details-about-playstation-4-os-development/
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VGLeaks: Details about Playstation 4 OS development
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Honestly I don't know if there's anything significant in these screenshots :/
http://www.vgleaks.com/some-details-about-playstation-4-os-development/
test_account
XP-39C²
"We arent sure if this will bring again the Other OS functions to Playstation 4 (remember that this option enabled Playstation 3 to install other OS in the console like linux or windows)."
I think we can pretty safely say that this feature will never be included again after what happened with the OtherOS. It was hardly a selling point to the general public and it only led to problems for Sony in the end.
I think we can pretty safely say that this feature will never be included again after what happened with the OtherOS. It was hardly a selling point to the general public and it only led to problems for Sony in the end.
cjoyce1980
Banned
cool! but this will just fuel the hackers and the ways they know how to hack that kernel
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Yeah, called it being FBSD. 
Probably nothing at all. It was obviously called Orbis OS before the PS4 was called PS4.
Yeah, called it being FBSD.
That's been known for months.
what is this FBSD you speak of
Nope.
I am not 100% sure of that, Mark Cerney did say that the PS4 is the first console using FreeBSD so that kind of precludes the PS3 from running it.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Than I'm glad, that I said this some months ago, right?
So basically linux ;P
Nope, the PS3 shitty "OS" is "based" on FBSD too. The binaries are encrypted ELFs.
Compiling a kernel is easy to do, bring on the text-based interface!
Nicktendo86
Member
That's how I remember it, in fact I remember a fact sheet or FAQ from Sony with answers along the lines of 'PlayStation 3 is not a games console, it is a cioputer'.
Lots of things use ELF, not just Unix and Unix like OSs (eg BeOS/Haiku, AmigaOS ect.).
Metalmurphy
Member
Yeah, and since that didnt work we wont be seeing it again.
Haven't most modern OS's evolved from a unix core.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
If you listen to some of these microsoft fans, thats exactly the amount of effort required to change games.
Not really. Standard C/C++ libraries + Sony's proprietary libraries. Nothing unexpected (it was expected to be BSD-based again. Just makes sense).
No, you got that wrong, that's the amount of effort required to run games on PC.
SappYoda
Member
I remember reading it from wikipedia. Here's the source: http://www.netresec.com/?page=Blog&month=2011-01&post=DFRWS-2009-Network-Forensics
It says it's believed to be FreeBSD/Darwin.
Yet MS is harangued to the point of changing their policy of wanting to reduce/prevent piracy.
To be fair, when it's cold and you're in bed playing a game and decide to switch to another, the last thing you want to do is get out and grab a disc. So much effort
not even joking
DragonSworne
Banned
Cool
It looks like unix. This is awesome for developers.
It looks like unix. This is awesome for developers.
We're pretty certain it won't be those insane Xbone 180 numbers of RAM reservation, however 1GB was my guestimate a few months ago, the rumour so far is 1GB so I'd bet a dollar that it will be 1GB. Seems like a reasonable amount, especially for overhead as well and to provide a smooth experience.
phosphor112
Banned
Best console UI ever!
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Yeah, 1GB should be more than enough, we knew it when Cerny said *BSD anyway. I just wanted to know which *BSD. FreeBSD makes the most sense, because the required drivers etc. are already in the ports.
That doesn't really depend on the OS. You can scale pretty much every OS in terms of memory consumption. The actual memory footprint will mainly depend on how much spare memory Sony wants to reserve for potential future background functions. Sony won't be able to increase this amount in the future without increasing the actual hardware memory in the process, as games will most probabliy utilize all available memory. So they will reserve more memory than they actually need at the moment, ust to be on the safe side.
terrdactycalsrock
Member
yeah, that might be the coolest part of the story. I always thought Orbis was the name for the console, not the OS
And I believe also to get some media attention and sell a couple thousand to universities, armies and other institutions.
jeff_rigby
Banned
Some EU countries imposed a tax that didn't apply to computers so the PS3 tried to be classed as a computer. That tax was lifted a few years ago.
Sony has plans to sell the PS3 in China and likely the PS4. Game consoles are not allowed but a computer would be. Security for the PS3 was an issue but the PS4 design uses a separate SoC as southbridge that contains the IO and a ARM Trustzone CPU. A future late 2014 PS3 might also have a Trustzone processor.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=48697989&postcount=60
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=48901230&postcount=62
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61980641&postcount=75
Also I seem to remember a Sony employee saying the game side of the PS4 was to be FreeBSD but the App and OS side was "a simpler Linux", The Game Developer platforms would be using FreeBSD and likely no developer has seen the OS/APP side of the PS4. Because of that statement and Energy Star regulations I've speculated that the second SoC as southbridge is a low power SoC running it's own ARM code and may have it's own memory and GPU.
Then there was a Cerney statement that "HSA makes the developers job easier" with speculation that a HSA_IL engine may be in the PS4. It does not make sense to use a HSA_IL engine that has overhead that keeps the developer from getting to the metal but the OS/APP side could be running under HSA_IL.
travisbickle
Member
I think games consoles always had to pay an extra tax in Europe because the were considered "computers".
Then the law changed around the middle of PS2s lifecycle, which led to a price drop.
That's how I remember it, then it changed into the folklore of the PS3 OS.
BloodMoney
Banned
linux! hax0r
Oppo
Member
omigod. that rumour has been around since the PS2 ("computer entertainment system" to avoid import taxes etc)
it's apocryphal.
I think it was more to satisfy the few people/institutions which actually used the Linux Kit for PS2.
It's definitely an improvement over the PS3 UI *shivers* my god that was awful