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Official LAIR thread
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nelsonroyale said:
You know what, I have this very strong feeling that it's cool to bash anything motion sensor on PS3. I'm pretty sure some reviewers have some kind of macro in their Word software that adds negative comments to a phrase whenever it detects the words "motion sensor" in it. Dunno, it's like motion sensor (on PS3) gets bashed more than it should for whatever reasons. Must be because of all those Jobe-jokes at the time.
I think it reflects the low quality of video game journalism in general. It reminds me of that piss poor F1 CE review where the ****ing moran from Edge never figured out how to turn off the assists. I played the demo of that game 2 times and I figured out all that shit. Which means they probably played the game a bit to get it out of the way, and then just wrote the review.AltogetherAndrews said:
Stuff like that is what makes videogames so looked down upon. Most reviewers probably go in to the game with a predisposed mentality about it (i.e. I don't like motion controls, this game is hyped for my favorite console) instead of approaching it as a blank slate. It's just sad and is one major aspect of why the industry is not accepted.
Mustaphadamus
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+1, awesome game, great use of the motion controltheBishop said:
The game was on 1ups bin list until gaf and others played it and saw the review scores were so far off it wasnt funny.[Also other sites werent to fair either to be honest]. Notice there is still an official Resistance thread going strong. All Im saying is Ill play it first, even if it means to rent it.Mustaphadamus said:
nelsonroyale
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TTP said:
Yeah, I agree...I mean I haven't played a game with full use of motion sensing, but its been a nice addition in most games...Ive never bought a game with a score like lair got, but for some reason Im still very much interested in the game, barring bad scores across the board, Im just interested in the epic scale of this game
Joe211 said:
Nice video. Progressive Mesh seems pretty damn incredible. And I can see why EGM possibly said how some mission objective weren't that clear, as Julian himself says in the later missions that was kinda the point: to give the player more freedom. Either way, day 1 for me.
I just don't get how people can gush over Lair, like this http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=166825, and some can really dislike. I think it's going to be a love/hate game. I think the game looks awesome and plan on buying it
Luckyman said:
stealth edit?
no... it got average reviews even though its an awesome game.. It gets average reviews because of the apparently unimpressive first stage as well as it being on PS3.. and anything on PS3 has to suck and be bashed in order to maintain balance in the world.
Mustaphadamus
Member
I think you missed the part where he saidLuckyman said:
RavenFox said:
1up is crazy nice with the stealth edit skills. Just look at the whole David Jaffe fiasco.methane47 said:
I'm aware of the reviews, of course. Some are very positive, some are not. The common complaint in those bad reviews seem to be the controls - putting the dragon streering on the motion-sensitive SIXAXIS controller doesn't sit well with some of the experienced gamers. First of all: try it out yourself, give it a chance!
And if you want my side of the story, I will share a simple anecdote: Victoria's family, lead by my 83-year old grandfather in law was able to pick up Lair in less than 5 inutes, fly around with the dragon and play the first mission of the game.That experience right there beats anything that the reviewers can say. Because let's face it: the hardcore crowd is an important part of the market, and I sincerely hope that everybody who reads my page and/or hangs out on NeoGAF, IGN, 1UP on a daily basis will buy Lair and enjoy it. Your guys' opinions are important, and they matter.
BUT... making a game that my entire (extended) family can play, that's how we will keep the creative flame (and our industry!) alive.
Check the official sources for more information on Lair. I enjoyed the experience and have tons of ideas on what to do next. In other words, I have already moved on to the next project...
P.S.: Hope you like the new vegetation in the final build
http://www.langsuyar.com/news/news.html
Bluemercury
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Rogue squadron 4 this time with dragons......
Matthias Worch, Game Designer/Technical Art Director at Factor 5, gives his thoughts of finally finishing development on Lair and the positive and negative reviews it has received thus far:
"I'm aware of the reviews, of course. Some are very positive, some are not. The common complaint in those bad reviews seem to be the controls - putting the dragon streering on the motion-sensitive SIXAXIS controller doesn't sit well with some of the experienced gamers. First of all: try it out yourself, give it a chance!
And if you want my side of the story, I will share a simple anecdote: Victoria's family, lead by my 83-year old grandfather in law was able to pick up Lair in less than 5 inutes, fly around with the dragon and play the first mission of the game.That experience right there beats anything that the reviewers can say. Because let's face it: the hardcore crowd is an important part of the market, and I sincerely hope that everybody who reads my page and/or hangs out on NeoGAF, IGN, 1UP on a daily basis will buy Lair and enjoy it. Your guys' opinions are important, and they matter.
BUT... making a game that my entire (extended) family can play, that's how we will keep the creative flame (and our industry!) alive.
Check the official sources for more information on Lair. I enjoyed the experience and have tons of ideas on what to do next. In other words, I have already moved on to the next project...
P.S.: Hope you like the new vegetation in the final build "
"I'm aware of the reviews, of course. Some are very positive, some are not. The common complaint in those bad reviews seem to be the controls - putting the dragon streering on the motion-sensitive SIXAXIS controller doesn't sit well with some of the experienced gamers. First of all: try it out yourself, give it a chance!
And if you want my side of the story, I will share a simple anecdote: Victoria's family, lead by my 83-year old grandfather in law was able to pick up Lair in less than 5 inutes, fly around with the dragon and play the first mission of the game.That experience right there beats anything that the reviewers can say. Because let's face it: the hardcore crowd is an important part of the market, and I sincerely hope that everybody who reads my page and/or hangs out on NeoGAF, IGN, 1UP on a daily basis will buy Lair and enjoy it. Your guys' opinions are important, and they matter.
BUT... making a game that my entire (extended) family can play, that's how we will keep the creative flame (and our industry!) alive.
Check the official sources for more information on Lair. I enjoyed the experience and have tons of ideas on what to do next. In other words, I have already moved on to the next project...
P.S.: Hope you like the new vegetation in the final build
"Joe211 said:
Man the game looks really good.
Unfortunately for Lair, I have a newfound understanding that spending $55 on these next-gen games is adding up quickly and so I'm becoming more picky on what I buy.
This game was on my to buy list, but like I said I'm becoming more picky with what I choose to buy. Unlike others in this thread, I think the motion controls have the potential to be really fun with this game and I look forward to getting my hands on it.
I will probably wait for Gamespot to review the game and see what they think of it. I really like their new review scale and they're usually spot on with games.
Smokey Bones said:
That is my problem. I will say at first after reading the review I was certain I was going to rent instead of buy but now thinking about it I will probably wait a few more out since I only paid $38 assuming overstock actually sends it to me, as a next gen game under $40 is a bargin (which sucks)
inthezone said:
First of all I liked the tutorial menu. It's all done with those flying rings u probably saw in the controls tutorial video. They are also used as "access points" to various sections of the whole tutorial thing. Very cool.
In the chapter selection screen you scroll chapter normally at the bottom of the screen using the stick or the dpad (IIRC) but up there in the middle of the screen you can toy around with a 3D dragon flying over a world map by moving the controller. Another nice touch.
Game. I played the "bridge level" (which is basically the first one I think) and I must admit I mostly did that to check out the frame rate. Which was good fot the most part, but suffered a bit at the bridge. This pissed me to no end, but that's the graphic whore in me.
Controls, as I said, were spot on. No problems AT ALL except when trying to do the 180° turn (pull the controller towards yourself). In tha case, I couldnt manage to make it work 100% of the times. Flying and dashing: no prob. Jerking the controller sideways to hit dragons during the "close combat" moments: no prob. Fighting the dragons using standard button combos: I just pushed buttons until win without really trying to understand what I was doing.
Mission flow. Lots of stuff going on simultaneously but, prob cos it was early level, you were give "orders" so that u had to do your stuff in order. IIRC first part was about destroying ships, then I was asked to kill some dragons and then those taurus came and I had to address them (I could either kill them on the ground or do a lock on targert + fly-by so that my dragon would grab them and toss them into the sea). Despite the mess of all this, I didnt feel as much lost as I expected. Which is good. Also, a special "vision" allows u to see which are the enemies in the mess (everything goes black and white except your targets which turn red). This was very useful cos at first I was all enjoying myself killing soldiers on the ground until a Factor 5 guy passed by, watched me playing from above my shoulder and after a while whispered in my ear: "those are your guys". Ooops. Ah, there are two type of flame attacks. Dont recall which button does it, but if u push it once you send a fireball. If you keep it pressed you vomit continuous fire. makes sense I guess.
Overall it was pretty fun albeit a bit "disjointed". I mean, it was ok to be given specific orders in that mess but on the other hand It distrupted the feeling of being part of an ongoing battle by cutting it in chunks (the ships attack one, the dragons one, the tauri one and so on). Hard to explain. Anyway, was first, introduction level so... Dragon wasn't as fast as I hoped but the cool thing is you dont have to "manually" get close to you target. You just lock him from the distance and do a dash move so that you sprint immediately towards him and start the close combat thing.
Mustaphadamus
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I don't know about that. I didn't see the review in question in its original state to say one way or the other, raven would have to weigh in on that one. I do know they went hard with making it seem like David Jaffe was going multi platform with his new studio, then when he came on here and said nope, not the case they did the stealth edit. So with that said, I would not be shocked if they switched it up real quick. That seems to be their m.o.TTP said:
AltogetherAndrews
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dark10x said:
Never change, dark10x
Mustaphadamus
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man what is tearing. I have never noticed this thing. I mean I know it exists but what exactly is it?Madman said:
AltogetherAndrews
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Mustaphadamus said:
Mustaphadamus
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^^
wowzers, thats pretty damn bad. I shouldn't have asked cause now I will notice this everywhere
wowzers, thats pretty damn bad. I shouldn't have asked cause now I will notice this everywhere