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Rumor - No Proper PES 2015 Upcoming (Konami Leaving Retail Games?)

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Imbarkus

As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
Prefacing as rumor, site says it may be a rumor (as far as my Italian translation goes) but an Italian site appears to have a list of upcoming Konami releases and has pointed out the only upcoming Pro Evolution Soccer release is a free to play PS4 version. (http://multiplayer.it/notizie/149750-pro-evolution-soccer-2015-pes-2015-konami-ha-cancellato-la-serie-di-pro-evolution-soccer.html)

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Release list itself looks a bit sparse, too, and this connects to the anonymous insider info released by SuperBunnyHop in his Konami video which was briefly removed due to DCMA takedown from Konami that YouTube rejected (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1044229).

Biggest speculative rumor from the video is that Konami is leaving the video game business, as has been speculated elsewhere as well.

Made the thread for Motoko who saw this info but is junior. ;)
 
Unannounced titles, even annual ones, might not appear on the pipeline slide. This was part of the presentation to investors last week.
 
So is konami moving to mobile only, or completely out of the industry?

It'd be cool if someone who still cared about making games could purchase their IP
 

Imbarkus

As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
Sure could be total scuttlebutt. But there was a lot of anonymous insider source info in the SuperBunnyHop video that seemed to indicate a big process of sweeping people out. Again, all unconfirmed rumor. Chart looks pretty sparse though. Maybe someone can dig up an updated one?

So is konami moving to mobile only, or completely out of the industry?

It'd be cool if someone who still cared about making games could purchase their IP

Well Konami is also a "gaming" company so I'll quote my post from the other thread:

FYI Konami is, among other things, a slot machine and systems manufacturer. They sell and lease full slots, licensed and otherwise, probably utilizing iterated versions of the hardware skillsets they developed making arcade games back in the day.

In addition to, and possibly more critical to future growth than, this business is the business of slot management systems and the associated CRM systems needed to operate a casino or gambling business. Konami's product in this space, Synchros, is a newer entry and boasts an array of newer features including integration with mobile apps.

There are a number of competitors in this space but it's not an easy one to break into, regulatory compliance is a big labor and liability overhead factor, so a certain economy of scale is necessary to hang in the game. Konami definitely has the structures in place for this. Competitors with regulatory compliance inroads in North America include Aristocrat Technologies with their OASIS system, Bally (which was recently bought by Shuffle/ShuffleMaster, which itself was recently bought by Scientific Games) and the SDS/Casino Marketplace system, and IGT and their Advantage system. Synchros has been making headway into this market, which is clogged with slow-moving operators with years of proprietary price-fixed entitlement and management structure motivating their development teams to reach the slow crawl at which they move.

In addition, legislation introducing legalized casino gambling (other than Pachinko, which, c'mon... is already gambling) in Japan has made a lot more progress recently than ever before, enough that businesses are banking on a potentially huge market there opening up. Macau was a huge gold rush for a long time but the Chinese government has had its hackles raised over concerns of money laundering and the market is down sharply this year. Japan provides hope to either replace or augment this declining Asian casino revenue, so casino operating companies are willing to invest the capitol on new properties. Of course, new properties means business selling systems and slots, and a Japanese company selling to Japanese casino companies and managers stands to win big due to cultural preference compared to outfits out of Australia and Vegas (or Europe now?) with less impressive tech.

In some territories outside NA, Japan, and China, web and mobile gaming are closing casinos like home consoles closed arcades. I'm not specifically aware if Synchros serves this need or if the tighter mobile app usage you get from it means anything when it comes to online gaming, but it stands to reason. For me, working in the casino industry, Konami could be poised to hit in this space in a big way, having nothing to do with their licensed Neo-Contra slot which, if it succeeds, will not do so based on its brand, with our demographic.

I don't really support this scorched-Earth way of (apparently) exiting the video game industry. Bally didn't need to do it. Williams didn't need to do it. Sega/Sammy, as far as I can tell, is not currently doing it. I wish I had access to numbers to help explain why the AAA and mid-tier videogame development industry is so suddenly unprofitable as to prompt the seeming exit of one of its biggest players. That's the clear confirmation that was the bombshell of this video: Konami is exiting the video game industry. I suppose if your resident auteur starts demanding movie and TV stars and directors and the division becomes unprofitable as a result--you, as management, would have some hard questions to ask yourself about how you let it get that far. But... if I were a CEO... and my primary responsibility was to the shareholders... I can see the business logic leading to decision to amputate the entire division.

I don't support Konami's actions and I think they will earn more ill will and issues long-term with these actions than they know. I just thought you would find interesting my understanding of Konami's standing in the casino space. Sadly I can report that almost nobody I work with will give crap one about any bad gamer PR for the company, there's just too much demographic distance, too little crossover between the two spaces.

If they're trading horses mid-stream than I have to attest I don't think the new horse will buck it. It will be up to the old horse to leave a mark.
 

darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou
PES 2016 is still gonna happen. But the sales really have fallen off the cliff over the past 5 years so I can definitely see them killing off the franchise at some point with the rate at its going. Still seems like it sells enough right now to justify its existence, but its Konami so shrug.
 
I can see PES 16 not coming, despite a positive reaction to it this year, they really aren't close to FIFA in terms of users and sales, it's a pretty niche title.

Plus given the rumours of Konami's internal change of "focus" shall we say, I think it makes sense this could be dropped.
 

El Patron

Neo Member
I hope someone will carry on with PES if Konami is winding things up, the game was just starting to get good again.
 

Takao

Banned
Did the author of that post not see Konami released a Yu-Gi-Oh! game on PSP this year? Even if they were abandoning large scale development entirely, PES would likely get roster updates until no one bought them. No new PES game is listed on that chart because the new PES hasn't been announced yet.
 
Do you think the the IP's they own will be up for sale?

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if EA bought it and killed their only competitor... well that is if they view the IP and engine as a competitor to them... which i'm not sure they do....

The difference is numbers of users is seriously vast, an 85/15 split at best vast. FIFA (sadly) is king.
 

bigol

Member
Pes 2016 is coming, that's a fact. It's still unannounced but it's coming. It will be announced June 6th.

What i'm surprised about is so called journalists trying to make sensationalist articles like these based on absolutely no evidence.
 
Well Konami is also a "gaming" company so I'll quote my post from the other thread:

That's a good write-up. Could Japanese gamblers expect to see gambling machines with Konami IP attached? It wouldn't make up for what we lost, but it would be moderately amusing to see Konami IP-branded slot machines and such make their way to the States.
 

Imbarkus

As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
According to the video's anonymous info, all individual title's teams are being dissolved to form a new production pipeline for all titles. People are being forced to move desks daily and other tactics are being deployed to make them leave on their own.

This is all still rumor but watch the video. It's the info from that combined with this list that prompted me to monger further by drawing connections.
 

Sephzilla

Member
If Konami really is planning on exiting the retail game industry I hope they run a fire sale with a lot of their gaming IPs.

I just realized RISING 2 is never gonna happen.

I'm starting to wonder if it was going to happen and has now been cancelled.

Sadly I'm staring to think the later is what happened. That "2" was probably meant to be the tease/reveal and then the Kojima/Konami fallout happened and the game was probably axed.
 

cripterion

Member
They should get out of the game industry though.

Anyways, I remember hearing not long ago we would get announcements for PES2016, that they had secured more ligue licenses, etc...
 

Motoko

Member
Thanks for the thread. As I said in my post on the other discussion, the news itself says it 's a big rumor.


Actually the same site post a twitt by Adam Bhatti:

http://multiplayer.it/notizie/149751-pro-evolution-soccer-2015-pes-2015-adam-bhatti-di-konami-smentisce-i-rumor-sulla-cancellazione-di-pro-evolution-soccer.html

https://twitter.com/Adam_Bhatti/status/598457368515575808

Which I think it's more clear than any words.

Digging a bit more, I found on another site (but this is totally uncredited) that the new PES will be shown at this year Champions League final in Berlin ( June 6th).
 
Well Konami is also a "gaming" company so I'll quote my post from the other thread:

Yikes!

Hopefully they see more value in selling their ip to nintendo/namco or someone else still interested in the medium rather then just plastering them on pachinko machines and web casino games.

Really hope the devs being pushed out land on their feet.
 

Imbarkus

As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
That's a good write-up. Could Japanese gamblers expect to see gambling machines with Konami IP attached? It wouldn't make up for what we lost, but it would be moderately amusing to see Konami IP-branded slot machines and such make their way to the States.

This could be a lot more successful in Japan than similar efforts have been in the states. I think only the Popcap licensed slots are getting traction here lately.

You guys if mobile/online gambling is legalized, everything everywhere changes. It's why Shelden Adelsen buys politicians worldwide to prevent it.

I get the feeling Konami might be in the "for" camp right now. *shrug*
 

Bedlam

Member
They might as well leave the videogame business altogether at this point and hardly anyone would shed a tear. They look completely beaten on every front imaginable (videogame related). PES - fallen behind the competition, MGS - alienated the creator, promising Castlevania reboot - killed by the subpar sequel, even more promising SH reboot - canceled. All of their videogame IPs are in absolute shambles and the creative masterminds are gone.
 
Pes 2016 is coming, that's a fact. It's still unannounced but it's coming. It will be announced June 6th.

What i'm surprised about is so called journalists trying to make sensationalist articles like these based on absolutely no evidence.

Do you have a source?
 

dark10x

Digital Foundry pixel pusher
Still seems odd to me considering their financials. Games still seem to bring in decent revenue for them - a lot more than Pachinko, really (even though it's growing rapidly).
 

woen

Member
At least Konami may make a mobile or gambling game around PES or MGS.

If MGS could not die with them it would be good.
 
So they are gonna give a portion of the game away for free as myclub? But make money through micro transactions?

Sounds about right.
 

bigol

Member
So they are gonna give a portion of the game away for free as myclub? But make money through micro transactions?

Sounds about right.

They already did that on March, but it's only available in Japan. It's available on Japanese PS Store.
They are testing if a free to play Pes Myclub edition is profitable enough.
 

BD1

Banned
If true, I could see a situation where Konami licenses its "console" IP to the highest bidder. Or even reverse, a complete sale with the ability to license Konami published mobile games
 
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