Wipeout HD is irrefutably one of the best looking games on the PS3. Man just...whatever.
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Microsoft: Forza 5 runs at 60 fps, Xbox One has no fps/resolution requirements
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Wipeout HD is irrefutably one of the best looking games on the PS3. Man just...whatever.
how can one discuss technical things when you argue with an opinion?
Metalmurphy
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Not disagreeing, but it's also on a dynamic frame buffer
soundscream
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LOL silly you forgot to ad the decimal points
At this to the OP.
108.0P @ 6.0 FPS
phosphor112
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Man, this thread should probably close.
soundscream
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elementalsin
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I'm so confused by statements like this. Are you a Halo fan? If so, why does a resolution number matter if the game plays well/looks good? You're not going to play a game from the series you're a fan of, because it doesn't have a specific resolution? Or that matter disregard an entire console because of that?
it is important for the console war you have with friends. its not about gameplay its about resolution and fps.
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imagine what horror it ll be, when you looove a game and its look. suddenly everyone starts to laugh at you: its running on 720p@30fps
imagine how stupid you would look... you didnt even care... AS A HARDCORE GAMER YOU MUST CARE
soundscream
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it is important for the console war you have with friends. its not about gameplay its about resolution and fps.
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imagine what horror it ll be, when you looove a game and its look. suddenly everyone starts to laugh at you: its running on 720p@30fps
imagine how stupid you would look... you didnt even care... AS A HARDCORE GAMER YOU MUST CARE
Oh how the XBro's and the Sony Ponies used to make fun of little James and his Wii
Littile did they know that all that time spent waggling with his Wii giving him ultimate control
And he eventually became............
Yeah, I'll take this one to PM though it's already too late to save this thread from derailment.
phosphor112
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Read the last couple.
I see nothing wrong with this. No need to put restrictions that might hamper progress. If devs want to sacrifice resolution or framerate for better visuals and new technologiea, they should be allowed to. Games would not look nearly as good as they do today if devs were redtricted to 1080p and/or 60fps for the current generation.
I agree, it's getting a little disgusting at this point.
Exactly. It's a console with locked hardware. As time progresses both Xbone and PS4 games will show a drop in native resolution which will be up-scaled to 1080p.
You know what? 1080p60 is not even really on my list of Things I Want Most From Forza, and I am a PC gamer at heart with years of time spent gaming almost entirely at 1080p60.
There are many other parts of Forza 5 that could make or break it as the front-runner launch game for the Xbox One. Will a new racing wheel be announced? Will it work with the very expensive previous Forza-branded wheels made for the 360 that were released less than two years ago? Will it have a day/night cycle? Weather? What's the track selection like? Will the Top Gear cooperation go even deeper? What's the career mode going to look like? What solutions will Turn 10 have for the years' worth of problems we've had in online races as far as lag, jumpy cars, or multiple car pile-ups in the first corner? Will we finally be able to make liveries using something other than a frigging gamepad?
As far as 1080p60 goes, that's not even a good measure of whether Turn 10 have had to scale things back to "fit" on the Xbox One. Of course they've had to scale things back. All racing games do, and nearly all other games do - of course Sony and MS are pulling your chain with that bullshit talk of seemingly limitless power. As far as Forza 5 goes, car models' poly counts can go into the millions - each - and then must be reduced, road scans' resolution must be downscaled to fit, even with 8GB of memory, and the coders could have always put more light and shadow passes and crazy effects in to the game to the point that they'd challenge even a pair of GTX Titans.
Stop thinking that Forza 5 is going to be the show of how limited or shitty or broken the Xbox One is because all hardware is limited and no single measure (like screen resolution) or even two measures (resolution + frame rate) will really tell you about the power of the console. Until there's a live demo running on real hardware where you can actually *see* what compromises they had to make, all sitting alongside important information like native resolution and frame rate, you won't know much about the performance anyway. And even if everything looks amazing, there are still huge pitfalls that hopefully Turn 10 avoided. After all, a good looking but rushed and empty-feeling racing game is not going to be a good front-running launch game.
There are many other parts of Forza 5 that could make or break it as the front-runner launch game for the Xbox One. Will a new racing wheel be announced? Will it work with the very expensive previous Forza-branded wheels made for the 360 that were released less than two years ago? Will it have a day/night cycle? Weather? What's the track selection like? Will the Top Gear cooperation go even deeper? What's the career mode going to look like? What solutions will Turn 10 have for the years' worth of problems we've had in online races as far as lag, jumpy cars, or multiple car pile-ups in the first corner? Will we finally be able to make liveries using something other than a frigging gamepad?
As far as 1080p60 goes, that's not even a good measure of whether Turn 10 have had to scale things back to "fit" on the Xbox One. Of course they've had to scale things back. All racing games do, and nearly all other games do - of course Sony and MS are pulling your chain with that bullshit talk of seemingly limitless power. As far as Forza 5 goes, car models' poly counts can go into the millions - each - and then must be reduced, road scans' resolution must be downscaled to fit, even with 8GB of memory, and the coders could have always put more light and shadow passes and crazy effects in to the game to the point that they'd challenge even a pair of GTX Titans.
Stop thinking that Forza 5 is going to be the show of how limited or shitty or broken the Xbox One is because all hardware is limited and no single measure (like screen resolution) or even two measures (resolution + frame rate) will really tell you about the power of the console. Until there's a live demo running on real hardware where you can actually *see* what compromises they had to make, all sitting alongside important information like native resolution and frame rate, you won't know much about the performance anyway. And even if everything looks amazing, there are still huge pitfalls that hopefully Turn 10 avoided. After all, a good looking but rushed and empty-feeling racing game is not going to be a good front-running launch game.
Barack Lesnar
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OldAsUrSock
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Without good resolution the game looks like a blurry, jaggy,ugly, mess.
There should be requirements to set a standard for games. If they do not have standards then we might get 640p 30fps titles again! Only for the sake of more graphical effects. Then they will have to release bullshots because native screens will look horrible. The standards for next gen should be 1080p. What I would like is 1080p 60fps, but I am sure devs will just complain they cannot get enough real time particle effects running so just 1080p would be a compromise.
Phonomezer
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I can't believe this thread actually got WORSE after the 1080p confirmation. Embarrassing.
With a bonus insane good looking clean cars as a result
So there was a trade off, but a nice one.
A very nice trade off indeed. Game is purdy!
PopcornMegaphone
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Go home you are drunk
Rayman and Okami are probably the best looking games imo and they also don't have much on screen. Art style and "look" of the game are not technical aspects of games.
As of Wipeout HD it uses dynamic resolution so even if it is not pushing a lot on screen it still have problems.
1080p has its price which needs to be paid. Current gen and next gen will all pay that price one way or other.
Miles Quaritch
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This doesn't mean they can't achieve 1080/60.
Anyway, is the downclocking confirmed? I thought only the yields issue was confirmed by CBOAT?
No downclock is rumor because it is best way to get better yields. If they have big yield problems than they will do everything to get xbone this year same as Sony which means down-clock is real possibility. Since SRAM is GPU bound then it is GPU that may be downclocked.
Miles Quaritch
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Ah, okay. Thanks for the clarification and explanation.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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It's not very likely, there are other ways for dealing with poor yields (launch delayed in certain territories to build up stock being the most obvious one), and we don't have enough information to know what yields we are talking about and whether they would only affect the next batch of devkits or also the final retail units. Not to mention that we never got a confirmation of the target clock before the alleged downclocks. Also, something in that theory simply doesn't add up - if Microsoft is willing to downclock because they don't really care about being compared to PS4, then surely they're not in a hurry to launch at the same time as Sony either.
In any case, we'll see what happens.
Wat? Man you're not on the ball right now
Xenon
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I don't see what the problem is here. People just want to make sure no one is disappointed if 1080P60FPS doesn't happen. After all MS is a soulless company that would stop at nothing to get us to buy into their DRM. T10 is under such a despicable corporation and it's foolish to take them at their word.
I just want to thank everyone here who has taken such a personal interest in managing Xbox One fan's expectations.
I just want to thank everyone here who has taken such a personal interest in managing Xbox One fan's expectations.
Graphics Horse
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That may be true but what has polygon count got to do with resolution? Overdraw?
I don't see what the problem is here. People just want to make sure no one is disappointed if 1080P60FPS doesn't happen. After all MS is a soulless company that would stop at nothing to get us to buy into their DRM. T10 is under such a despicable corporation and it's foolish to take them at their word.
I just want to thank everyone here who has taken such a personal interest in managing Xbox One fan's expectations.
Wow man, while I understand your frustrations, but I think you undermine your point if you "stoop to their levels." Just my opinion.
Wipeout looks AMAZING in motion. All that frame count and dynamic resolution stuff is really overblown. "Effectively" when playing the game, its runs 1080/60.
Sweet Aunt Nancys Panties
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Nothing has matched the embarrassment of the first page. And that's probably due to the new trolls just reading page 1.
Not even the sky is the limit for PS4's incredible APU.
Xenon
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If you see me in me PS3 threads doing things like that, then you would have a point. But that would never happen because I plan on buying one an have no vested interest in it doing poorly.
OldAsUrSock
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The problem is that customers do not vote with their wallets.
CassidyIzABeast
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They don't?
I forgot how fun next-gen console transitions were too.
There is nothing I hate more than that .gif.
soundscream
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The first pages of this thread are embarrassing. People being upset that a game is running at 1080p at 60 fps,
and doing their best to convince themselves and others that it's not true is just...wow. Gaming.
And compare it to this thread
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=578281
wonder what the difference is????
so why is this thread still alive after Forza was said to be 1080p60?
I completely agree that wipeout HD is gorgeous, but you bolded a line talking about games pushing poly counts, which doesn't seem to be the case with Wipeout HD.
I completely agree that wipeout HD is gorgeous, but you bolded a line talking about games pushing poly counts, which doesn't seem to be the case with Wipeout HD.
soundscream
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This thread was never about the resolution of Forza 5. It was about them not mandating any set of parameters for games. It was mentioned that Forza would be 60FPS but others wouldn't, so trolls took that to mean that meant Forza wouldn't/couldn't be 1080p because "reasons".
As much as I understand why waiting to see is a good policy in general, you should probably realize how skewed your outlook on this whole thing looks, based simply on this post. It's a game highlight interview, one where the game manages good resolution and framerate, and the company still wanted to make the point to say they're not forcing developers to do anything they don't want to, and your (and certainly not only your) reaction was to assume some malevolent innuendo. Even when that contradicted the details from before about the game.
There's a good reason why you can't understand how the game discussed could run at 1080p when they were "spouting that resolution isn't important." You're thinking about it like a crazy person.
Marty Chinn
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They tend to have a high tolerance for bad things and don't have the forethought of what things can mean for the long term so it's easy to have things creep in without them realizing before it's too late. So in a way they don't.
test_account
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I see what you mean. I was thinking that if the Xbox One or PS4 games are in 720p, but still have much better graphics, i dont think it is that big a deal that the games are running in 720p.
Psycho_Mantis
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Thats MS's fault. You think this is just a gaf thing. Look at Xbox one vids on youtube and compare them with PS4 vids. Its called scepticism. People are not willing to believe in MS but are willing to believe in Sony.
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