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Official Okami Wii Thread of IGN Watermarks
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Leon S. Kennedy
Member
Everyone seems to think Okami is a great game, but its putting me to sleep. Literally, I only play at night and I'm nodding off while playing. Never happened to me with Zelda or Metroid Prime. Does it get better as the game goes on? I just got the cherry bombs, so I'm hopping it gets more interesting.
One major boring ass game, got to the mail man part...fought the first night creature. With MK Wii and GTA coming next week...this game is going back to gamefly today.
Holy hell... Zelda TP and this crap compete for some A class boredom. Glad it bombed, hopefully it'll bomb on Wii too.
Holy hell... Zelda TP and this crap compete for some A class boredom. Glad it bombed, hopefully it'll bomb on Wii too.
Prime Blue
Member
I'd really love to see an in-depth comparison of both versions, as more and more differences seem to pop up (the Wii version has been reported to freeze, and the credits seem to be removed).
Thus far, we have:
+ Wii Remote controls
+ Smoother look
+ 16:9 widescreen and 480p
+ Skippable cutscenes
+ Buying it to show Christian Svensson that listening to the community is a good thing (although he already does his best, I guess)
? More saturated colors (could either be positive or negative, depends on the original developer's vision of the game)
- less pronounced paper filter
- less bloom
- occassional freezes
- missing credits cutscene
But what about the loading times? More direct comparison shots? Any other cut-out content besides the ending credits?
Thus far, we have:
+ Wii Remote controls
+ Smoother look
+ 16:9 widescreen and 480p
+ Skippable cutscenes
+ Buying it to show Christian Svensson that listening to the community is a good thing (although he already does his best, I guess)
? More saturated colors (could either be positive or negative, depends on the original developer's vision of the game)
- less pronounced paper filter
- less bloom
- occassional freezes
- missing credits cutscene
But what about the loading times? More direct comparison shots? Any other cut-out content besides the ending credits?
Leon S. Kennedy
Member
One of the negatives is the motion controls. I hardly ever get the 4 winds attack to work with the motion controls. I doubt there was such difficulty on the PS2 version with buttons.
Load times are shorter, but it also cut the loading minigame from the PS2 version. If you want demon fangs, you have to get them the old fashioned way now.
There's other minor visual differences in terms of the inky line blending... as far a freezing though, after 37 hours I still haven't had the game freeze once on me. The issue might be more related to existing issues with the disc drive itself (a la Smash Brawl).
There's other minor visual differences in terms of the inky line blending... as far a freezing though, after 37 hours I still haven't had the game freeze once on me. The issue might be more related to existing issues with the disc drive itself (a la Smash Brawl).
I invested about 10 hours into the PS2 version, and I just got past where I stopped in the Wii version.
I have to say, I like the Wii version a lot more. The loading times are almost twice as fast, the graphics are more vibrant, and it's 16:9.
The waggle controls aren't as intuitive as hitting a button, but they work fine. The painting does suffer, it requires a lot more skill than the PS2 version.
Overall, I feel this is the superior version. I've acclimated just fine to the waggle.
I have to say, I like the Wii version a lot more. The loading times are almost twice as fast, the graphics are more vibrant, and it's 16:9.
The waggle controls aren't as intuitive as hitting a button, but they work fine. The painting does suffer, it requires a lot more skill than the PS2 version.
Overall, I feel this is the superior version. I've acclimated just fine to the waggle.
jarrod said:
Game froze twice on me, but I've put 17 hours into it so it doesn't occur often. As for demon fang loading minigame, I never was too successful, and it is amazingly easy to nab more than enough fangs in combat regardless(Black imps alone give three just for a basic power slash fatality...plus an extra if you use the pissing insult technique).
Didn't know about the credits, never saw em in the original, guess I'll youtube it when I beat the Wii version. As for graphics...eh the Wii version looks ridiculously good, filters or not.
Oh and I much prefer the wiimote drawing over the old analog way. It takes a lot of conditioning, but once you figure the trifling methods to success, it's very intuitive. Waggle combos still irk me though, but its not a dealbreaker.
Argh. No credits?
Head, meet table.
<minimeltdown>
25/04/2008
Current mood:
jaded
Dear lifejournal,
It's like Capcom wants me to feel bad about my purchase. I wasn't that thrilled with Okami when my friends showed it to me on the PS2. Later on I heard about Clovers demise and somehow felt bad about not giving it a chance. Then suddenly there's a Wii port, my chance to repent! Seeing as both RE:UC and RE4:Wii were pretty good I decided to splurge, "just this once!"
...so far, the prerendered ending video has been crippled/left out, there's apparently a tacked-on waggle control interface, graphics arguably have been improved, although slowdowns and crashes still persist while some effects have been seriously toned down, there's not one tiny bit of new content... then there's the cover thing.
what the hell kind of port is this? What's next, will the game format the Wiis' internal memory at random intervals? Spam the message board with Amy pics?
Everything screams of either heavy budget or time constraints. What a waste. I'm seriously de-hyped by now. I know they ran into quite a bit of trouble while porting this, but e.g. fixing the clover icon with a simple time-based fadeout in the ending sequence should have been a dirty, yet easy hack. It's, what, three lines of code inside the movie players' rendering loop, and a bit of math? Sure, it's slow, but hey, we have 700+MHz to burn.
if (is_endingmovie & (framecount>=somevalue)) break; //or decrease gamma, or overlay a fullscreen polygon featuring some artwork, or freeze the frame and ignore the next x frames, or whatever
In their favor: They've rectified the cover issue, which is commendable(, yet should never have happened in the first place). I'm gonna cut them some slack, I doubt this port was a pleasant experience for all parties involved.
Still, there are so many issues, it's hard to see the effort that went into making this.
I'm still looking forward to playing this, but Capcom certainly has lost vast amounts of goodwill with me.
</wrists>
Head, meet table.
<minimeltdown>
25/04/2008
Current mood:
Dear lifejournal,
It's like Capcom wants me to feel bad about my purchase. I wasn't that thrilled with Okami when my friends showed it to me on the PS2. Later on I heard about Clovers demise and somehow felt bad about not giving it a chance. Then suddenly there's a Wii port, my chance to repent! Seeing as both RE:UC and RE4:Wii were pretty good I decided to splurge, "just this once!"
...so far, the prerendered ending video has been crippled/left out, there's apparently a tacked-on waggle control interface, graphics arguably have been improved, although slowdowns and crashes still persist while some effects have been seriously toned down, there's not one tiny bit of new content... then there's the cover thing.
what the hell kind of port is this? What's next, will the game format the Wiis' internal memory at random intervals? Spam the message board with Amy pics?
Everything screams of either heavy budget or time constraints. What a waste. I'm seriously de-hyped by now. I know they ran into quite a bit of trouble while porting this, but e.g. fixing the clover icon with a simple time-based fadeout in the ending sequence should have been a dirty, yet easy hack. It's, what, three lines of code inside the movie players' rendering loop, and a bit of math? Sure, it's slow, but hey, we have 700+MHz to burn.
if (is_endingmovie & (framecount>=somevalue)) break; //or decrease gamma, or overlay a fullscreen polygon featuring some artwork, or freeze the frame and ignore the next x frames, or whatever
In their favor: They've rectified the cover issue, which is commendable(, yet should never have happened in the first place). I'm gonna cut them some slack, I doubt this port was a pleasant experience for all parties involved.
Still, there are so many issues, it's hard to see the effort that went into making this.
I'm still looking forward to playing this, but Capcom certainly has lost vast amounts of goodwill with me.
</wrists>
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
For the people that won't check Capcom's forums:
Why were the credits left out? Administrator s-kill responds:
Oh and...
Relax man. I've put about 10 hours in, having not played the original, I can see nothing obviously out of place. The only real issue is the waggle combat, which is rectified by a few upgrades and switching to rosary beads. I've yet to have any slowdown or any crashes.
Is the port flawless? No, but there were a lot of well publicized problems during development. All things considered, the port is great and the game is still great.
P.S. I would love it if they spammed the message board with Amy pictures. LOVE IT.
Why were the credits left out? Administrator s-kill responds:
Oh and...
CTLance said:
Relax man. I've put about 10 hours in, having not played the original, I can see nothing obviously out of place. The only real issue is the waggle combat, which is rectified by a few upgrades and switching to rosary beads. I've yet to have any slowdown or any crashes.
Is the port flawless? No, but there were a lot of well publicized problems during development. All things considered, the port is great and the game is still great.
P.S. I would love it if they spammed the message board with Amy pictures. LOVE IT.
It's hard seeing all that effort and potential "go to waste" for what is ultimately a no-frills port. It's the last version of this game, barring a wonder or two. It could have been so much. And they blew it, not only once, but multiple times. Which, I'll say it again, is a friggen shame.morningbus said:
And that fact irks me. Oh how it irks me.
The game is good.
AFAICS the port on the other hand is nothing short of desastrous in and of itself, but given the circumstances I'll upgrade that to "adequate". I had been hoping for "competent" to "decent". Nothing earthshattering. I think. Alas...
:lol That sure backfired.
Admittedly it would have been awesome to find some wallpapers on the wii MB (or better yet, SD card) after completing the game, or parts thereof. Sure would've been nice.
Gripe gripe gripe.
Man, reading my own ranting is just... sad. But I'm really disappointed with the way Capcom has handled this project.
I'm gonna shut up or I won't be able to enjoy my purchase once I get it. I'm talking myself into another emo ingrate frenzy.
After all, the game is good, and that's all that matters, right?
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
CTLance said:
I agree that it is a shame that this version isn't 100% perfect or at least substantially better. I think you just need to look at it this way: would you prefer this port to have never been made at all? Because, given how the first version sold, these conditions of a quick, inexpensive port were almost guaranteed.
It is a lot like reading a novel in the language it was originally written (even the original Japanese Okami suffers from this). A lot of world play, colorful language, and metaphor is lost when doing translations into other languages, but, I think most would agree, it is better to at least be able to read (or play) the thing than not.
Ultimately, I think whatever small problems this version has compared against the original are moot, especially when the port is still really good.
Absolutely.
tetsuoxb said:
I believe it is only the credits that are cut. The game still has an ending.
AgentOtaku
Member
FlyinJ said:
that's cool
...yeah I just got my ps2 version in today ...more impressions later
leroy hacker
Member
tetsuoxb said:
It's just an FMV that contained the credits-it doesn't affect the ending plotwise. It contained the Clover logo, which Capcom doesn't have the rights to, and they don't have the source for the video so they can't modify it.
The Hermit
Member
So I just finished "Okami 1" and the game so far was nearly perfect, but...
The worst thing is that it is really affecting my enjoyment... and I was loving the game so much... :/
after I got the Sword weapon from Orochi, a very strong and cool weapon btw, the battle went from " passable" to "fucking broken". I kinda got the timing with the shields, but holding the wiimote up to charge the sword is too fucking stupid. when I want to charge it attacks, when I want to attack it charges... it is by far the most annoying wiimote implementation. I hope they learn after this trainwreck
The worst thing is that it is really affecting my enjoyment... and I was loving the game so much... :/
Death_Born
Banned
Just finished (20 hours into the game spoiler)
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climbing the cat tower. Wow. Did anyone not mute their television while climbing? Quite satisfying though.
AgentOtaku
Member
SD Download
a deserved 9.2
...though their complaints about the controls are mostly exagerated, as I said before, I've not had any substantial issues with them
Sir Alemeth
Member
say hey
_Alkaline_
Member
TunaLover posted this in a different thread:
Anyone else had framerate problems?
Anyone else had framerate problems?
The Hermit
Member
stewacide said:
Pretty sure yes. It has more bloom and more "dreamy" look, unlike the Wii version...
Btw, what is the so called "paper filter"?
Baiano19 said:
The PS2 version looks like it's printed on canvas: the whole scene has a 'bumpy' texture behind it. Looks neat. I'm not sure if removing it / toning it down below where it's noticed was a stylistic choice by RAD, or if they were worried about LCD burn-in.
OTOH the Wii version has much much better IQ. Too bad a few cut-scenes (not all it seems) are PS2 rips.
_Alkaline_ said:
Heh, thanks =)
Ok, since the framerate hiccups are random I´ve found a section in which this problem still appear.
You must be in the Agata Forest entrance, you´ll see the sleepy bear on the nut. Go to the portal to Shinshu Field, then cross the water tunnel, in the middle of this occur the hiccup. The problen happens in the water tunnel only in direction Agata Forest-Shinshu Field, not Shinshu Field-Agata Forest. Please try and comment. Thanks.
stewacide said:
Are you sure that those cutscenes were in-engine on the PS2? I'm pretty sure the larger "flowers blooming" animations were videos of in-engine grabs on the PS2 as well. T
here's no way they could have had all the assets loaded for the areas they show blooming... especially given how fast those animations came up.
I think that the IQ was just better on the engine-grabbed videos on the PS2.
FlyinJ said:
Indeed, that's almost certainly the reason some cut-scenes don't match the Wii version (they were pre-rendered in the PS2 engine). I'd guess RAD didn't have the original animation scripts to re-render them in the Wii engine. I'm playing in 4:3, but I'd assume the PS2-rendered cut scenes are stretched-out or black-bared for people playing in widescreen?
This sticks out only because the port overall is so well done. No crashes, no glitches, and no frame-rate hiccups at all for me so far (~15 hours in)
So it seems like I´m not the only one how is getting framerate problems.
IGN reader review wrote:
http://rr.wii.ign.com/rreview/wii/okami/884970/84117/
IGN reader review wrote:
http://rr.wii.ign.com/rreview/wii/okami/884970/84117/
mysticstylez
Banned
Picked it up today, and man is it a fucking visual stunner. Love everything about it, except for the fact you have to hold the wiimote a certain way to get the brush to work right. I like to hold the wiimost angled to the left cause it's more comfy for me but I can't use the brush for shit.
Alcibiades
Member
So why did Capcom include Gamecube controller options for RE4 but not for this?
Were they being lazy or was there some technical limitation?
This one issue is really holding me back from getting this game (I don't have a PS2). I don't know which control method I'd prefer, but what's wrong with having multiple control options?
Were they being lazy or was there some technical limitation?
This one issue is really holding me back from getting this game (I don't have a PS2). I don't know which control method I'd prefer, but what's wrong with having multiple control options?
Haunted
Member
Because everyone realised that the Wiimote is the best way to play this. They should've taken it out for RE4 Wii as well, to force all the whiners to acknowledge the superiority of the Wiimote over the GC or not be able to experience the game at all.Alcibiades said:
lol options.
Junior Asparagus
Member
Man, i really forgot how solid this game is since i didn't get a chance to finish it the first time on PS2. dungeons are so cleverly integrated into the world, it introduces you to the adventure without the same formulaic pacing other Zelda inspired adventures never seem to get.
I'm a big fan of the remote --- slashing with the brush actually feels like creating a straight line with a sumi-e brush. I don't know if the developers intended this or not, but it's very much the same stroke from the arm within a split second ..... a curious thing to try and translate correctly, since not everyone has an easy time making straight lines with a brush. you still screw up plenty times, but for me not nearly as much screwing up as i did on the duel-shock.
However they did it makes battles something i don't avoid like i did in the PS2 version. Gesturing for a slash, bomb, then slash happens within a few seconds now, rather than a drawn out tedious pause like on the PS2.
landing combos with the waggle has a rhythm very much like a phantasy-star. it took me 3 or 4 fights before it felt more mastered, but once it clicks you don't really screw up.
I'm a big fan of the remote --- slashing with the brush actually feels like creating a straight line with a sumi-e brush. I don't know if the developers intended this or not, but it's very much the same stroke from the arm within a split second ..... a curious thing to try and translate correctly, since not everyone has an easy time making straight lines with a brush. you still screw up plenty times, but for me not nearly as much screwing up as i did on the duel-shock.
However they did it makes battles something i don't avoid like i did in the PS2 version. Gesturing for a slash, bomb, then slash happens within a few seconds now, rather than a drawn out tedious pause like on the PS2.
landing combos with the waggle has a rhythm very much like a phantasy-star. it took me 3 or 4 fights before it felt more mastered, but once it clicks you don't really screw up.