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Official Killzone 2 (PS3) Reveal Thread E307 - DELIVERS! (All info in OP)

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InterMoniker

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Littleberu said:
Is the hive attacked or something?
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Huh What was that?
 
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jmd494

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jett said:
kill1.jpg


kill8.jpg
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Ya see...THIS is why screenshots suck for judging games. There is so much more detail , contrast, and sharpeness in this "Deferred composition" picture that most people would look at it and say it was better looking (I mean look at the gun model's detail for fuck's sake!). On top of that, the colors in the "deferred compositon" image are more vibrant and the world looks more "moody" than in the "target" image.

But in motion, that motion blur will look amazing...instead of serving to diminish detail. And I'm betting the washed out lighting/color loss is specific to this area and is a more realistic potrayal of real life than the more colorful image.

Whether I'm right or wrong about which would look better in motion, videos/demos are still the only real fair way to make a judgement.
 
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Ezza

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bluheim said:
AI and Physics are done on the PPU, according to the doc. What could the 3 remaining SPUs be used for ?
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One spu is always reserved for the OS so that leaves two. Maybe sound and I don't know what else, animation?

And beaten.
 
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HomerSimpson-Man

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KillzoneSPU.jpg


Fascinating, at the very least there is another SPU waiting to be used. I'm trying to figure outside of sound, what's left? Helps assists the rest in general perhaps?
 
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InterMoniker

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nelsonroyale said:
check it out hahaha DB's posts on the PS forum:

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/tracker?user.id=1570384
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:lol Wow
So you somehow knew that someone from NeoGAF named Doom Bringer got permabanned yet you are not this person?
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http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=messhall&message.id=30337#M30337

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=1588899#M1588899


He goes from thinking this http://boardsus.playstation.com/pla...thread.id=30266&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

to this WTF!?!?!? Only the D_B could pull that off http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=messhall&message.id=33033#M33033
 
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Fucking crazy.

That's all I gotta say.

If only everyone used the hardware that well.
 
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VonGak!

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Mmmkay said:
Am I late to the party?
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Said the guy with the liquor.

Haunted One said:
Very nice doc, mmmkay. The post-processing done is really the thing that makes the graphics stand out.
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Nah, it's the geometry and lighting.

Luckyman said:
Without post-processing magic it looks like.. Do not want.
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Dunno, the game is meant to be seen in motion for the 3D effect generated by the lighting to kick in.

tha_con said:
You guy's should really check out the 'scene lighting' image in the PDF. Even w/out textures it looks pretty freaking impressive!
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Yup, seems like the guy who described the lighting some time ago was pretty spot on.

jett said:
Can't wait to see what a closer to final KZ2's gonna look like...those textures better be replaced. :p
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Don't get your hopes too high.

There's nothing wrong with the texture resolution but I do not expect the game to use much parallax, normal, bump and so on mapping types due to they gain their 3D feel from pre calculated lighting where as in KZ2 the 3D depth is from real time calculated light cast on actual geometry.

I mean it could seem awkward if the BUMP mapped wall texture doesn't fit with the lighting.

HomerSimpson-Man said:
KillzoneSPU.jpg


Fascinating, at the very least there is another SPU waiting to be used. I'm trying to figure outside of sound, what's left? Helps assists the rest in general perhaps?
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According to that pic it looks like there's still a lot of juice to be tapped from the 4 SPUs.
Only ~1/3 is dedicated.


Littleberu said:
Is the hive attacked or something?
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Heh

DontStopTheTatakai said:
http://xs318.xs.to/xs318/07326/scenelighting.jpg

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LOL :D
 
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Wollan

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VonGak! said:
According to that pic it looks like there's still a lot of juice to be tapped from the 4 SPUs.
Only ~1/3 is dedicated.
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That's a timeline for each frame though from left to right. They're used fully under the rendering process.
 
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VonGak!

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sleeping_dragon said:
2007 E3 trailer +

Still a lot of features planned
‣ Ambient occlusion / contact shadows
‣ Shadows on transparent geometry
‣ More efficient anti-aliasing
‣ Dynamic radiosity

= E3 2005 trailer !? *faint*
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Dynamic radiosity should make quite an impact, IMHO.
 
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VonGak!

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Wollan said:
That's a timeline for each frame though from left to right. They're used fully under the rendering process.
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Are you sure of that? To me it looks like the dark blue portion is when the SPUs are idle.

EDIT: But I didn't notice that AI and prepare draw was shown two times, so the SPU idle time is less than 2/3.
 
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Wollan

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They're idle yes at those times. I have no idea how much more they can stuff in there with future projects and how much more time you can dedicate them to rendering before it goes wrong.
 
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Wollan

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I hope so but if something is shown it's most likely not something new. I'm guessing we may see a few new screens and maybe some more info alongside them but I doubt it will be playable or anything like that.
 
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Busty

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Wollan said:
They're idle yes at those times. I have no idea how much more they can stuff in there with future projects and how much more time you can dedicate them to rendering before it goes wrong.
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I usually loathe talk of percentages when it comes to processor power. But owing to CELL's 'exotic' architecture it seems alot more interesting and relevant when trying to get all the pieces to work as a whole.

A few weeks ago (before E3 IIRC) on the Fullmoon Insomniac podcast they had one of the head honchos of Naughty Dog (the name escapes me) on as a special guest. In the interview he said that they checked the PPE/SPU usage of Uncharted on CELL using the profiler in the EDGE toolset. He said that Uncharted was using just 30% of the CELLs power.

It seems to me that the PS3 truly is a bespoke video game console. Here we have a unit with massive amounts of raw power that can produce games like KZ2 while it struggles to run 'one size fits all' engines like UE3 without serious optimisation due to the radical nature of it's processor's design.
 
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llTll

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i think i am missing something here. is there a place where i can get the best HD video for this game ? [ not the E3 trailer crap ]

everyone is saying how awesome it look but i cant see it. the only awesome i see here is the animation. i have never seen a better animation in fps game. but i do not see it graphics wise. which is why i am asking for walkthro HD video or something high rez so i can tell :/
 
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Busty said:
I usually loathe talk of percentages when it comes to processor power. But owing to CELL's 'exotic' architecture it seems alot more interesting and relevant when trying to get all the pieces to work as a whole.

A few weeks ago (before E3 IIRC) on the Fullmoon Insomniac podcast they had one of the head honchos of Naughty Dog (the name escapes me) on as a special guest. In the interview he said that they checked the PPE/SPU usage of Uncharted on CELL using the profiler in the EDGE toolset. He said that Uncharted was using just 30% of the CELLs power.

It seems to me that the PS3 truly is a bespoke video game console. Here we have a unit with massive amounts of raw power that can produce games like KZ2 while it struggles to run 'one size fits all' engines like UE3 without serious optimisation due to the radical nature of it's processor's design.
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But what does it really mean? It says nothing about memory usage or even GPU power. At least it's clear Cell is not the bottleneck.
 
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JCBossman

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KILLZONE<GEARS OF WAR, Lets be Honest...Say you are being chased by HUGE Monsters,you hit a perpendicular street, you look to your right and their is Fenix, Dom, Coletrain and Brad, you look to the left and their is four (who even KNOWS their names) dudes from Killzone, Question: Which direction are you running for safety? Game Over....:lol
 
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JCBossman said:
KILLZONE<GEARS OF WAR, Lets be Honest...Say you are being chased by HUGE Monsters,you hit a perpendicular street, you look to your right and their is Fenix, Dom, Coletrain and Brad, you look to the left and their is four (who even KNOWS their names) dudes from Killzone, Question: Which direction are you running for safety? Game Over....:lol
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Is this supposed to be funny or something?

edit: nevermind it's JCBossman
 
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