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kswiston · Dec 11, 2009

jvm said:
Or we can think of it as how all the different versions of MW2 [except those in the Xbox 360 MW2 systems] are lumped together to gives us #1 and #2 on the chart.

Imagine how frustrating the NPD top 10 would have been if they didn't lump together special editions of MW2. It wouldn't surprise me if at least one of the hardened editions sold well enough to make the list on its own. 10% of the 360 sales is still 420k.

jvm · Dec 11, 2009

poppabk said:
They have a specific price associated though, which would suggest they were all sold at the same store.

According to my information, NPD has a policy against revealing anything that would expose information about a specific retailer. This is, in my opinion, either software repackaged by a third-party or collecting multiple $20/$15 bundles by retailers under a generic heading.

Captain Tuttle · Dec 11, 2009

I'm floored that UC2 isn't in the top 20.

qirex99 · Dec 11, 2009

RBH said:
These next six months will be quite enjoyable for that reason alone.

for sure. that assclown probably had the biggest meltdown, but sadly - I'm too busy to read the full thread..

JoshuaJSlone · Dec 11, 2009

Busaiku said:
Also, jvm, when you do your analysis, you usually include the average selling price of PS3/360.
Is it possible you can do one for DS as well? I'd really like to know how DSi's holding on.

Black Friday deals will probably throw that off, though. We can't assume they were all sold at 130 or 170.

jvm · Dec 11, 2009

JoshuaJSlone said:
Black Friday deals will probably throw that off, though. We can't assume they were all sold at 130 or 170.

This is right on. Even the Wii has had discounts/bundles from time to time (prior to the price drop, in particular) that can skew the ASP for a month.

JudgeN · Dec 11, 2009

God damn new PS3 owners, 700+ sold and Uncharted 2 isn't even in the top 20. From what I understand Sony has never had to much luck with their first party titles except for GT,GoW, and Singstar but god damn it still stings. Game should have easily been able to do a million but NOOOOOoooOOOOoo.

2real4tv · Dec 11, 2009

Psychotext said:
I posted this last night, but the thread was moving too fast and it got swallowed pretty quickly. So here it is again for those that might be interested.

............................................................................................

I hadn't updated these figures for a while... but I thought with the general interest around the insane MW2 sales it was probably worth doing.

So here they are, all of the PS3 and 360 games (sorry, never got around to doing the Wii data) which have sold over 500k in their first month on sale. I have more data than this, but it just becomes a wall of text if I include any more than the top games. If any of these titles were on sale for less then 7 days in their first NPD period, I have included the second period's figures (where available). These titles are marked with stars.

Days are the number of days the game was on sale for during the reporting period(s). The install base for each console is listed based on the number of consoles sold as the start of the month when each game went on sale.

Code:

[b] Sales Days 360 Base Attach Rate[/b] CoD: MW 2 4200k 19 16.49m 25.5% Halo 3 3300k 12 6.19m 53.3% GTA IV 2721k 33 10.05m 27.1% *** CoD 4 1570k 26 7.09m 22.1% Gears of War 2 1560k 23 11.58m 13.5% Halo 3: ODST 1520k 12 15.89m 9.6% CoD WaW 1410k 19 11.58m 12.2% Gears of War 1000k 17 2.89m 34.6% Madden NFL 09 1000k 19 10.66m 9.4% Assassin's Creed 980k 18 7.09m 13.8% Resident Evil 5 938k 23 14.55m 6.4% Madden NFL 10 928k 16 15.68m 5.9% Madden NFL 08 897k 19 5.92m 15.2% Assassin's Creed 2 795k 12 16.49m 4.8% Fable II 790k 12 11.21m 7.0% Rainbow Six Vegas 2 752k 19 9.6m 7.8% Left 4 Dead 2 744k 12 16.49m 4.5% UFC 2009 Undisputed 680k 12 15.06m 4.5% Halo Wars 639k 33 14.55m 4.4% Star Wars TFU 610k 19 10.86m 5.6% Army of Two 606k 33 9.6m 6.3% Batman: AA 512k 40 15.68m 3.3% ***

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[b] Sales Days PS3 Base Attach Rate[/b] CoD: MW 2 1870k 19 9.02m 20.7% GTA IV 1443k 33 4.21m 34.3% *** MGS4 775k 24 4.42m 17.5% Madden NFL 10 665k 16 8m 8.3% Madden NFL 09 643k 19 5.05m 12.7% Killzone 2 619k 37 7.24m 8.5% *** CoD WaW 597k 19 5.65m 10.6% Resident Evil 5 585k 23 7.24m 8.1% Uncharted 2 537k 19 8.7m 6.2% inFamous 527k 40 7.58m 7.0% *** Batman: AA 506k 40 8m 6.3% ***

Those Halo numbers make me want to throw up in my mouth a little....such an over rated game...sad that I was part of that flock

OldJadedGamer · Dec 11, 2009

Sho_Nuff82 said:
The 360 has received a total price adjustment of $100 since launch, compared to the original $399 and $299 Pro and Core models. That's $100, in 4 years.

This is very true. Didn't think about that at all. In 2005 the price of entry for the machine was $299 and in 2009, the price of entry for the machine is $199.

LCfiner · Dec 11, 2009

Captain Tuttle said:
I'm floored that UC2 isn't in the top 20.

Im a little saddened but not surprised at all.

The Nathan Drake character and the whole grand adventure vibe of the series really hasnt done that well with the mass market.

a shame, imo.

EXGN · Dec 11, 2009

Wow, I didn't expect Uncharted 2 to be in the top 10, but not even in the top 20? I was expecting it to at least do another 150K-200K this month... That's abysmal for a potential GOTY candidate.

Vinci · Dec 11, 2009

I don't know how you people can talk all witty and/or analytical with all these dead bodies lying around. Damn place is a graveyard.

Nice start for NSMB Wii. Otherwise, pretty normal month.

*shrugs*

DaveTheSnake · Dec 11, 2009

2real4tv said:
Those Halo numbers make me want to throw up in my mouth a little....such an over rated game...sad that I was part of that flock

Don't you mean Halo 2.5? :lol

elrechazado · Dec 11, 2009

Shogun PaiN said:
I think its still only the list -

1. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (360)
2. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (PS3)
3. New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Wii)
4. Assassins Creed II (360)
5. Left 4 Dead 2 (360)
6. Wii Sports Resort (Wii)
7. Wii Fit Plus (Wii)
8. Assassins Creed II (PS3)
9. Dragon Age: Origins (360) - 342,254
10. Mario Kart (Wii)
11. Wii Play (Wii)
12. Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games (Wii)
13. Value Game Bundle (Wii)
14. Mario & Luigi: Bowsers Inside Story (DS)
15. Dragon Age: Origins (PS3) - 177,008
16. Value Game Bundle (Wii)
17. God of War Collection (PS3)
18. Halo 3: ODST (360)
19. Borderlands (360)
20. Madden NFL 10 (360)

But you could add the Dragon Age numbers and get a very rough idea.

go go borderlands

value game bundle for the lolz

Jive Turkey · Dec 11, 2009

FUCK YEAH! I told you guys that Value Game Bundle would beat out Uncharted 2.

DaveTheSnake · Dec 11, 2009

JudgeN said:
God damn new PS3 owners, 700+ sold and Uncharted 2 isn't even in the top 20. From what I understand Sony has never had to much luck with their first party titles except for GT,GoW, and Singstar but god damn it still stings. Game should have easily been able to do a million but NOOOOOoooOOOOoo.

Uncharted 2 did sell a million in the US between October and November.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/104/1044637p1.html

I wasn't surprised to not see it in the Top 20, but the Gamasutra mentioned that there were 34 titles sold over 100k. We can hope that it is one of them.

charlequin · Dec 11, 2009

OldJadedGamer said:
I think people were expecting the sales to match the quality and that's where the small let down has come from but traditionally, PS3 first party titles have never really been huge sellers.

I'm just not sure where the market was supposed to come from for this game to become a huge blockbuster on PS3. You're looking at a game type (weird TPS/adventure hybrid) that doesn't really exist as a market presence and which would generally be expected to underperform pure shooters. If anything it seems to me that UC2 is outperforming what would be an expected mediocre start based on what kind of game it is on the back of its attractive graphics, incredibly strong WoM, and developer pedigree.

Deku said:
That's usually a signal for a new round of hardware launches, and by every leaked rumour we've seen, that seems to be exactly what is being planned for 2011.

Yep, we're probably looking at launches staggered over 2011 and 2012. The "10-year lifespan" thing was always hot air.

Grecco said:
Getting close or even beating MW2 is not out of the question imo.

Just the fact that it won't have the MW branding on it guarantees it won't hit MW2's numbers, IMO.

kswiston said:
However a lot of people in that expanded audience will not be used to tech going obsolete in a few years.

Errr, what? The expanded audience is, if anything, more amenable to buying new hardware since they're both not used to a specific price/value calculation for a "generation" the way traditional gamers are and because Nintendo's products are cheap enough that no one's going to feel burned the same way when they get replaced.

If anything, I think you can look at Nintendo's success getting people to replace their DSes with a completely pointless upgrade like the DSi as evidence of how this will go.

OldJadedGamer · Dec 11, 2009

Sho_Nuff82 said:
I know I said I wasn't going to go quote digging, but I said exactly this in the MW2 to sell 17-18 million thread:

I agreed with your numbers in that thread and said:

OldJadedGamer said:
I see this number if not more.

Then of course, there was this response to my post:

Y2Kev said:
These are first month sales (indicated very clearly). 1.5 million is more than 3x what Modern Warfare 1 sold month one. You seriously see 1.5+ ("if not more") for PS3 in November of 2009?

Of course, we're two years later and with many more installed consoles, but there's nothing to suggest that that proposed figure is within the realm of possibility for PS3.

Well, Y2Kev... since the PS3 version sold 1.8million, yes... I seriously see 1.5+ (if not more) for PS3 in November.

charlequin · Dec 11, 2009

DaveTheSnake said:
Uncharted 2 did sell a million in the US between October and November.

Maybe you should read that article again there, Chief. It is literally impossible for UC2 to have sold more than about 700k in those two months.

Unidentified · Dec 11, 2009

DaveTheSnake said:
Uncharted 2 did sell a million in the US between October and November.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/104/1044637p1.html

I wasn't surprised to not see it in the Top 20, but the Gamasutra mentioned that there were 34 titles sold over 100k. We can hope that it is one of them.

That article doesn't mention region. Gamespot's indicates it was global sales not U.S. It would've had to do 460k this month (and be in the top 10) if it was 1 million the U.S.

jman2050 · Dec 11, 2009

DaveTheSnake said:
Uncharted 2 did sell a million in the US between October and November.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/104/1044637p1.html

I wasn't surprised to not see it in the Top 20, but the Gamasutra mentioned that there were 34 titles sold over 100k. We can hope that it is one of them.

I'm pretty sure that number is worldwide given the date of the article and the fact that October and November's NPD numbers would have it nowhere close to 1 mil.

sfog · Dec 11, 2009

I picked up Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World out of a Best Buy bargain bin last month for $15, and it just rang up as something generic like "$15 DUMP BIN GAME". Is that situation similar to what those "value bundles" are referring to?

kswiston · Dec 11, 2009

Shogun PaiN said:
I think its still only the list -

1. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (360)
2. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (PS3)
3. New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Wii)
4. Assassins Creed II (360)
5. Left 4 Dead 2 (360)
6. Wii Sports Resort (Wii)
7. Wii Fit Plus (Wii)
8. Assassins Creed II (PS3)
9. Dragon Age: Origins (360) - 342,254
10. Mario Kart (Wii)
11. Wii Play (Wii)
12. Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games (Wii)
13. Value Game Bundle (Wii)
14. Mario & Luigi: Bowsers Inside Story (DS)
15. Dragon Age: Origins (PS3) - 177,008
16. Value Game Bundle (Wii)
17. God of War Collection (PS3)
18. Halo 3: ODST (360)
19. Borderlands (360)
20. Madden NFL 10 (360)

But you could add the Dragon Age numbers and get a very rough idea.

Worth pointing out that the Dragon Age numbers should be ~362k and ~190k on this list.

Flying_Phoenix · Dec 11, 2009

DMeisterJ said:
Why is it being compared to the 360? I don't see how the fact that it didn't outsell the 360 is relevant to the 'surge' falling off, and somehow the fact that it had it's best non-December month ever is not relative to the fact that the surge isn't falling off.

I hope the surge continues to fall off more next month as the PS3 will probably experience it's highest sales at that point. :/

Because it just had it's price cut and everyone expected that the surge will continue. SONY very recently (remember this is from November) dropped the price and went full force with a new marketing plan to really put some heat on the 360. It seemed that it was doing great with this last NPD, but with this one it's still doing good but it's losing steam ratio wise.

LosDaddie · Dec 11, 2009

OldJadedGamer said:
Well, Y2Kev... since the PS3 version sold 1.8million, yes... I seriously see 1.5+ (if not more) for PS3 in November.

I think too many let their "No Dedicated Servers" rage cloud their judgement of how MW2 would perform. Either that or they dismiss MW2's marketability because it appeals to "casuals".

imtehman · Dec 11, 2009

DaveTheSnake said:
Uncharted 2 did sell a million in the US between October and November.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/104/1044637p1.html

I wasn't surprised to not see it in the Top 20, but the Gamasutra mentioned that there were 34 titles sold over 100k. We can hope that it is one of them.

read the article babe

We assume Rosenberg is talking world-wide sales.

there's literally no way for uncharted 2 to sell 1 million in the U.S. with the NPD numbers, unless they were referring to shipped #s

borsdy · Dec 11, 2009

smurfx said:
wow really thought the ps3 would beat the 360 this month.

Hahah, nice job with this!

DaveTheSnake · Dec 11, 2009

charlequin said:
Maybe you should read that article again there, Chief. It is literally impossible for UC2 to have sold more than about 700k in those two months.

I read the article, Chief, and I read the title. Here's the title of the article: "Uncharted 2 Sales Topping One Million Units".

Here are more articles that state the exact same thing:

Report: Uncharted 2 Sell One Million Copies - http://www.industrygamers.com/news/report-uncharted-2-sells-one-million-copies/

Uncharted 2 Crosses The 1 Million Sold Mark - http://kotaku.com/5403485/uncharted-2-crosses-the-1-million-sold-mark

So it is possible because it happened...

elrechazado · Dec 11, 2009

DaveTheSnake said:
I read the article, Chief, and I read the title. Here's the title of the article: "Uncharted 2 Sales Topping One Million Units".

Here are more articles that state the exact same thing:

Report: Uncharted 2 Sell One Million Copies - http://www.industrygamers.com/news/report-uncharted-2-sells-one-million-copies/

Uncharted 2 Crosses The 1 Million Sold Mark - http://kotaku.com/5403485/uncharted-2-crosses-the-1-million-sold-mark

So it is possible because it happened...

worldwide dude, worldwide. Not in npd. "In the US" means NPD. Sony PR means the game's total sales, which at that point are likely shipped figures.

Sobriquet · Dec 11, 2009

DaveTheSnake said:
I read the article, Chief, and I read the title. Here's the title of the article: "Uncharted 2 Sales Topping One Million Units".

Here are more articles that state the exact same thing:

Report: Uncharted 2 Sell One Million Copies - http://www.industrygamers.com/news/report-uncharted-2-sells-one-million-copies/

Uncharted 2 Crosses The 1 Million Sold Mark - http://kotaku.com/5403485/uncharted-2-crosses-the-1-million-sold-mark

So it is possible because it happened...

WORLDWIDE

DaveTheSnake · Dec 11, 2009

imtehman said:
read the article babe

there's literally no way for uncharted 2 to sell 1 million in the U.S. with the NPD numbers, unless they were referring to shipped #s

Doesn't NPD not include certain stores and websites?

Nutter · Dec 11, 2009

DaveTheSnake said:
I read the article, Chief, and I read the title. Here's the title of the article: "Uncharted 2 Sales Topping One Million Units".

Here are more articles that state the exact same thing:

Report: Uncharted 2 Sell One Million Copies - http://www.industrygamers.com/news/report-uncharted-2-sells-one-million-copies/

Uncharted 2 Crosses The 1 Million Sold Mark - http://kotaku.com/5403485/uncharted-2-crosses-the-1-million-sold-mark

So it is possible because it happened...

Ever think that he is talking WW? you are in a NPD thread. According to NPD.. the game is way blow a million in the US.

borsdy · Dec 11, 2009

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=381970&page=26

knitoe said:
Shock 360 > PS3. Thought Microsoft was crazy to keep price same as PS3. They prove me wrong.

What happen to all "I'll buy PS3 after being banned because offer better value, free multiplier and so on..."

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Come on :/ He wasn't asserting this.

Y2Kev · Dec 11, 2009

OldJadedGamer said:
I agreed with your numbers in that thread and said:

Then of course, there was this response to my post:

Well, Y2Kev... since the PS3 version sold 1.8million, yes... I seriously see 1.5+ (if not more) for PS3 in November.

I ate crow on the first page in this thread.

In my defense, I massively underestimated the 360 number too. I just did not comprehend the popularity of this franchise.

(still kinda don't)

elrechazado · Dec 11, 2009

DaveTheSnake said:
Doesn't NPD not include certain stores and websites?

If you're going to go after people and make arguments like you have been, at least do a little research into what you're talking about first, c'mon.

DaveTheSnake · Dec 11, 2009

elrechazao said:
worldwide dude, worldwide. Not in npd. "In the US" means NPD. Sony PR means the game's total sales, which at that point are likely shipped figures.

My bad everyone - I stand corrected.

Ultimo hombre · Dec 11, 2009

No Forza 3 or UC2. Ouchies.

kswiston · Dec 11, 2009

charlequin said:
Errr, what? The expanded audience is, if anything, more amenable to buying new hardware since they're both not used to a specific price/value calculation for a "generation" the way traditional gamers are and because Nintendo's products are cheap enough that no one's going to feel burned the same way when they get replaced.

If anything, I think you can look at Nintendo's success getting people to replace their DSes with a completely pointless upgrade like the DSi as evidence of how this will go.

I'd say you have things completely backwards. I'd argue that the majority of people buying the DSI (and the DSL before it) are first time DS owners. Discounting the people replacing broken/lost/stolen systems, I'd say that the average GAFfer is much more likely to double/triple dip on DS revisions than your new "casual" gamer.

Your traditional hardcore gamers would run out and buy new systems every 3 years if the latest and greatest titles were appearing on them. Most people wouldn't.

Kandinsky · Dec 11, 2009

jett said:
Do we have any God of War Collection numbers? Interested to see how it did. These things were so much more interesting when the full spreadsheet leaked.

I miss those days D:

pr0cs · Dec 11, 2009

Yikes are the IGN and GT threads on the sales results a disaster. Can't go 1-2 posts without talk of RROD and other things that shall be not named for fear of banning.

borsdy · Dec 11, 2009

pr0cs said:
Yikes are the IGN and GT threads on the sales results a disaster. Can't go 1-2 posts without talk of RROD and other things that shall be not named for fear of banning.

You wouldn't actually be claiming this just from referring to it, you know?

OldJadedGamer · Dec 11, 2009

Y2Kev said:
I ate crow on the first page in this thread.

In my defense, I massively underestimated the 360 number too. I just did not comprehend the popularity of this franchise.

(still kinda don't)

Well, you did on the second page but who's counting? I wasn't rehashing it, I actually didn't see your first comment cause it was going so fast at the time but I had forgotten about that thread until the link was posted and found your follow up post (and tone that went with it) kind of amusing in the light of the new numbers.

Don't worry, we all make mistakes. That's why they put erasers on pencils.

Y2Kev · Dec 11, 2009

OldJadedGamer said:
Well, you did on the second page but who's counting? I wasn't rehashing it, I actually didn't see your first comment cause it was going so fast at the time but I had forgotten about that thread until the link was posted and found your follow up post (and tone that went with it) kind of amusing in the light of the new numbers.

Don't worry, we all make mistakes. That's why they put erasers on pencils.

Me. Real men use 100 posts per page. I find 50 to be much too much clicking for the same amount of content.

clashfan · Dec 11, 2009

DaveTheSnake said:
Doesn't NPD not include certain stores and websites?

Yes it doesn't include stores like the playstation shack where I heard most of ps3 sales came from.

Johann · Dec 11, 2009

Y2Kev said:
WTF is value game bundle

I thought it was the Lego games but I don't think they retailed at $20. I saw that one selling very well.

Princess Carl · Dec 11, 2009

2real4tv said:
Those Halo numbers make me want to throw up in my mouth a little....such an over rated game...sad that I was part of that flock

exaggerate much? and troll more please

jett · Dec 11, 2009

Shogun PaiN said:
I think its still only the list -

1. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (360)
2. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (PS3)
3. New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Wii)
4. Assassin’s Creed II (360)
5. Left 4 Dead 2 (360)
6. Wii Sports Resort (Wii)
7. Wii Fit Plus (Wii)
8. Assassin’s Creed II (PS3)
9. Dragon Age: Origins (360) - 342,254
10. Mario Kart (Wii)
11. Wii Play (Wii)
12. Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games (Wii)
13. Value Game Bundle (Wii)
14. Mario & Luigi: Bowser’s Inside Story (DS)
15. Dragon Age: Origins (PS3) - 177,008
16. Value Game Bundle (Wii)
17. God of War Collection (PS3)
18. Halo 3: ODST (360)
19. Borderlands (360)
20. Madden NFL 10 (360)

But you could add the Dragon Age numbers and get a very rough idea.

Man PS3 owners really and truly suck dick. U2 not even in the top 20...bleh.

cleveridea said:
360 DRAGON AGE: ORIGINS 342,254
360 DRAGON AGE: ORIGINS COLLECTOR'S ED 19,888
PS3 DRAGON AGE: ORIGINS COLLECTOR'S ED 11,728
PS3 DRAGON AGE: ORIGINS 177,008

Whoa Dragon Age sold surprisingly well. Surprising to me anyway.

AniHawk · Dec 11, 2009

Captain Tuttle said:
I'm floored that UC2 isn't in the top 20.

Why? Games like that are very frontloaded.

Y2Kev · Dec 11, 2009

AniHawk said:
Why? Games like that are very frontloaded.

It does have multiplayer, which should give it a little more life. But I don't think the distinction between 20 and, say, #22, is all that meaningful if you're talking about a few thousand units.

If it's selling 60k a month or so, then yeah, that's pretty bad.

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wow, Inside Story is doing pretty well. good for it!

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