Trickster
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This seems like a highly flawed statement considering Urk said that The Moon was the smallest zone in the game
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Destiny: Only one area per planet
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This seems like a highly flawed statement considering Urk said that The Moon was the smallest zone in the game
Or there is more to Russia than we saw in the beta?
I explored it myself, as did others.
The areas we could explore were comparible in size to the areas we could explore in Old Russia. There were a few areas that were blocked off that were obviously meant to be reachable as the new area prompt appeared when you neared them.
We don't know how expansive Old Russia will be when the areas we couldn't access open up, but the actual parts we could explore on the moon were similar in size to those in old russia. It was a pretty expansive place.
Also, just because The Moon is the smallest, doesn't mean it's the smallest by a considerble amount.
Make of that what you will.
Trickster
Member
I'm not saying that it is. But you clearly said that there was an underground area on the Moon, that alone was bigger than all of Old Russia. Which is in direct conflict with what Urk has told us.
And we do know pretty much how big the locked off areas in Old Russia are, people have been in them, and they aren't really that huge.
I didn't say it was bigger. You should probably read my posts again.
Trickster
Member
Okay no, not bigger. But you said it was similar size. Which is still in conflict with what Urk said.
No Urk said smaller and I said similar, it can be both smaller and similar. No conflict there.
Again, Urk didn't say how much smaller it was, it could just be a couple of rooms smaller.
The fact that, after 4000 posts, people are still arguing about the size of a game that is yet to be released astounds me. It astounds me because NO ONE KNOWS HOW BIG OR SMALL IT WILL ULTIMATELY BE. All I see are haphazard guesses and estimates and extrapolations. Why not wait 5 weeks and then we'll all know? Then we can bash Bungie or praise them.
Jackbooted
Member
I'm waiting to see what the expansion packs are going to contain, by the description of one of them it says that it will unlock some areas on the moon so those locked doors found in the beta could very well be unlocked by purchasing the DLC and not be a part of "vanilla" Destiny.
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Deleted member 752119
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Or that there's a lot more to Old Russia, and/or Earth, than shown in the Beta. Time will tell.
The fact that some people did not want to acknowledge that and instead made assumptions based on the limited Beta content is exactly why this discussion is still going, sadly.
Can we just accept that there are those here that are possibly underestimating the size of the game based on the beta and information provided by devs etc
Vs
Those that seem to be constantly trying to stomp those arguments with equally uniformed ideas of what will be available based on their own musings
??
It seems pretty apparent that there will be a lot of grinding in the game (as it is loot based) and that it seems that the level of exploration has possibly been oversold compared to other games that people may have played; leading to disappointment regarding the info that seems to indicate that the area per planet is a bit more limited than some first thought.
Yes there will be expansion on the ideas first presented in the retail version of the game,but I think some people are possibly sceptical about the amount of money they may need to drop to get the expanse that some may have envisioned when this game was first introduced
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Those that seem to be constantly trying to stomp those arguments with equally uniformed ideas of what will be available based on their own musings
??
It seems pretty apparent that there will be a lot of grinding in the game (as it is loot based) and that it seems that the level of exploration has possibly been oversold compared to other games that people may have played; leading to disappointment regarding the info that seems to indicate that the area per planet is a bit more limited than some first thought.
Yes there will be expansion on the ideas first presented in the retail version of the game,but I think some people are possibly sceptical about the amount of money they may need to drop to get the expanse that some may have envisioned when this game was first introduced
Ooccoo
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The Moon area you guys are talking about will be the first DLC.
Don't believe me?
" Expansion 1: The Dark Below
Set deep beneath the surface of the Moon, fans will discover an ancient tomb that has been unsealed, and a dark god who has risen an evil army in the depths of the Hellmouth, the home of the Hive enemy race. "
Seems awfully similar no? So that leaves us with maybe 3-4 missions on the Moon total.
Don't believe me?
" Expansion 1: The Dark Below
Set deep beneath the surface of the Moon, fans will discover an ancient tomb that has been unsealed, and a dark god who has risen an evil army in the depths of the Hellmouth, the home of the Hive enemy race. "
Seems awfully similar no? So that leaves us with maybe 3-4 missions on the Moon total.
Why would they make DLC available in the beta but then lock it off in the full game?
Jackbooted
Member
You are making far too much sense for this thread sir!
What's your point? All I read from Expansion 1 heavily implies there will be more than meets the eye for the moon. We already know the moon is available in the full game.
Jackbooted
Member
It wasn't available in the beta, there were locked doors down there...
We actually have enough information to reliably tell us that the amount of playable content in the beta is not indicative of the final release's playable content, there's nothing uninformed about that.
Trickster
Member
Surface area of the moon isn't exactly super tiny though.
Whatever though, wasn't out to get into a debate about the definition of what similar means in terms of space.
Ooccoo
Member
Be ready to be disappointed then. I don't know about Mars and Venus, but Moon looks like it has even less missions than Earth. Of course I don't have other sources than educated guesses, but I'm setting my expectations very low for September.
As long my expectations are tempered and realistic, I don't have to be disappointed.
In the stream that linked at the Reddit thread in the OP, DeeJ said there were locked up areas in the Moon that were purposely blocked in the beta.
crappybannedjunior999999
Banned
Boy did you come to the right thread then. You'll enjoy it here.
So basically, we'll see more of the Hellmouth in retail release.
It seemed that was exactly what you wanted to do!
The topside area of the moon was pretty small relative to the underground parts. I explored the entire thing (available parts anyway).
So if the moon is the smallest area confirmed , this is pretty good news seeing how large the underground parts were.
Trickster
Member
Locked off areas doesn't give you a factual basis for saying that zones are definitely gonna me much bigger than they were in the beta though.
A lot of people are acting as if they expect the locked off areas to add huge new areas to Old Russia and The Moon, which we simply don't have the evidence to support. On the contrary in fact, the locked off areas don't appear to add huge new areas to the zone.
Locked off areas are not the only factors.
Read Tiemen's post a few pages back for a decent explanation.
Right,but there is no proof of what that content will actually be like to play.
There has been a lot of "I'm sure the missions will get longer","There are areas locked off that I'm sure will open up" etc. But unless you've actually seen the final build,how sure can you be of what lies behind doors and no go areas.
All I'm saying is that people have concerns over the content and that is okay. You're trust in the game being noticeably bigger is okay.
Buy as it seems no-one has seen the retail build,either extreme of this argument could potentially be wrong.
I'd love for this game to be huge,honestly. But I also sympathise with people who felt a bit flat after the beta and have decided that rather than pay full price and hope that the game ships with good content,they will see if their fears of the amount of content are justified.
If you are right then we're all winners.if not,some people may feel like they should have waited until later to buy a reduced price complete version.
crappybannedjunior999999
Banned
Dude! You have been doing the EXACT same thing in reverse for page after page. You have no more facts than anyone else here, yet this doesn't stop you from pontificating about the game's size and implying that the game is small from a content perspective over and over and over and over.
This was kinda my point with regards to both sides of this argument,both sides pulling sizes and content out of nothing.
My only problem I guess is that other than physical space and the occasional enemy group or chest,there is nothing filling these corridors and rooms. I expected to at least have something to look at whilst exploring
So... you are saying that there's no evidence to support the fact that the locked off areas add a huge amount to Old Russia and the Moon... yet you turn around and say that, despite this lack of evidence, the "locked off areas don't appear to add huge new areas to the zone".... how can the former be wrong but the latter be correct in light of the fact that there's no evidence either way....?
Right,but it's still just thinking about what could be. No-one can say for sure that we won't just see the same kind of missions over and over
crappybannedjunior999999
Banned
I agree 100%. People have no patience and many times it seems to manifest itself through entitlement disguised as "consumer rights".
Kor of Memory
Member
All these comments referring to The Reef as a second social hub; is there any evidence for that? I keep seeing it mentioned as fact, but I can't find anything solid on it.
lol I followed you til you jumped to the 3-4 missions on the moon conclusion. Then you totally lost me.
Again: it's not just about size, read the post I linked to above. It explains why we know with all the information we have that there will be plenty of gameplay content.
Bone if the thing he writes is a stretch of any kind, Bungie are laying safe with convention here, that's quote apparent, so unless you think they're going to throw curveballs regarding how all these mechanics we know about come together , I think you can safely call this the most accurate idea we have.
It's certainly a lot more accurate than "only a single zone per planet? NO CONTENT".
The world is not going to be incredibly dense, but that doesn't mean the gameplay will be lacking.
Potential lack of mission variety is not the type of concern we're complaining about.
That was found from the data dump, which is by the way, not representative of the final game.
Trickster
Member
I have said what I expect to be in the game based on the information about the game this is available. As well as explained why I feel like how the game was talked about by the developer, made the game seem like it would be something that it probably won't really live up to.
That is different than saying a place is pretty much as big as another place, when information provided by the developer pretty much stands in contrast to that.
Because people have been into some of those locked off areas and seen how big they are.
crappybannedjunior999999
Banned
BWAAAAAHAAAAHAAAA! Are you being serious?
Wolvesinthebathroom
Member
I think they only announced the dlcs because the collectors edition of destiny comes with a pass for them.
Interficium
Banned
Yeah, pretty sure that's outlawed under the Geneva Convention, isn't it?
Again, no!
The developer said it was "the smallest", that doesn't mean it won't be almost as big!
I have no idea why you think "smaller" has to mean "considerably smaller".
There is NO contrast there. Stop it!
KillerDark
Member
It also doesn't give you a factual basis for saying the zones won't be much bigger. We have no idea how big or small they will be... just like the game itself.
crappybannedjunior999999
Banned
Well. Thats proof then. Sorry.
At this point, I think his posts are on auto pilot.
The Lamonster
Member
"Area" is such a relative term; I'm surprised you guys are still finding things to talk about based on zero knowledge of what the full game content will look like.
I thought urk's post in this thread was sufficiently assuring that we'll get our $60 worth and more with Destiny.
I thought urk's post in this thread was sufficiently assuring that we'll get our $60 worth and more with Destiny.
I get the size point, but the fact that the gameworld isn't even close to dense, the gameplay will only do so much to satisfy some of the expectations people have for this game.
After getting the feel for the gunplay and traversal (which felt excellent), I was taken by suprise at the enemy AI,the lack of anything tangible to look at within the environments,and the shallow nature of the RPG elements. There was nothing to collect,read, or examine in the environment.and I'm sure at that point I wasn't the only person thinking this game has very little to offer me