Magic Mushroom
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Well, if Edge is correct about MS and Sony, the PS4 will not block used games.
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
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Well, if Edge is correct about MS and Sony, the PS4 will not block used games.
-Pyromaniac-
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no they don't and no they won't.
Why would they have to follow suit? It would be an easy way for them to make Microsoft look anti-consumer in the press.
Seeing money changes people.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
There are several gifs that I can't post right now that would express my jubilation:
1) Black woman wearing sundress and hat fainting into a bunch of people
2) Office party with confetti, people celebrating, and a furry blue mascot dancing
3) Larry David "fainting"
I hope you're right.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
well they don't have to, but they'd need to call the publishers' bluff and assume they'd be forced to support PS4 due to sales volume. But if they get no 3rd party games will there *be* any sales volume?
At the very least you'd have 12 months of timed exclusives for durango (or flat out exclusives) and that could be very damaging to building the momentum that Sony needs.
He was the one who ended up being right about the leaked Durango specs. For example he stated that there was to be 8 GB of memory way before the leaked specs were released and people called him crazy, but he ended up being right.
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There's only a few ways this could work, if it is true...
1. 3rd parties give big exclusives to Durango and keep them away from the PS4 until Sony implements the same protections.
And/or
2. New MSRP at $50. Used games allowed, but a $25 activation fee standard across the board, which drops every few months, so two years post release, the fee would be, let's say $15.
Otherwise, MS would lose the hardcore and some retail support along the way but they'd get a decent chunk of the casuals and probably compete that way (and a segment of the hardcore).
1. 3rd parties give big exclusives to Durango and keep them away from the PS4 until Sony implements the same protections.
And/or
2. New MSRP at $50. Used games allowed, but a $25 activation fee standard across the board, which drops every few months, so two years post release, the fee would be, let's say $15.
Otherwise, MS would lose the hardcore and some retail support along the way but they'd get a decent chunk of the casuals and probably compete that way (and a segment of the hardcore).
Magic Mushroom
Member
Publishers need Sony. You think Ubi is gonna kiss 6 million AC sales goodbye?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Exactly the argument I made earlier in this thread.
The Playstation brand is still strong. There is no way publishers will ignore them. If Sony takes the initiative and markets that the Nextbox has no used games and always online, they can take a significant portion of Ms' customers.
clutch.as.it.gets.
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He also got the CPU right (eight cores @1.6GHz).
in which case MS surely has a competitor parity clause or some such which allows them to not do this unless other competing platforms are the same.
Or maybe its like region coding - they put in the enablers but its up to the publishers to decide to use it. That gets MS partly off the hook and moves consumer ire onto the publishers.
Glorified G
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Shit. Is there a link to his post?
No used games wouldn't bother me in the slightest if pricing of games was in line with what we see on Steam and PC.
MS cant be expecting people to spend $60 on a game that loses it's value the instant you use it's activation code. Impulse purchases would become a thing of the past.
Psychotext
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I still don't believe Microsoft would do it if Sony aren't too. Would be utterly, utterly retarded.
clutch.as.it.gets.
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Also... One of his best and chilling posts...
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=40412426&postcount=640
Glorified G
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I wouldn't necessarily say that is confirmation on his part. He just said EDGE has good info. You don't have to be in the know to say that.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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If PS4 has no used game restrictions, and publishers still support both Xbox and PS4 equally, then Xbox is screwed and they know it. You think publishers are going to kiss all those Xbox game sales goodbye? If they're going to have to choose between two potentially bad outcomes, they're going to side with the console that benefits their interests the most. Sony knows that, and so does Microsoft. Either they both have used game restrictions or neither of them does.
Magic Mushroom
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This what Edge said btw:
Let's see if they are right about all this.
Let's see if they are right about all this.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Agree completely. If there were sales similar to Steam? I'd probably be more apt to consider the purchase. At this point, though, if Sony comes out and says they aren't doing it I'll be 100% on board with them. I really love my 360 but I'll support any company that doesn't do this.
They will side with the company which has the largest base out of the direct competitors.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I honestly don't think an insider could be any clearer than what he said. I don't know what else "good information" could mean to you.
So... Edge has good information that's completely false...? How in the world does that makes sense to you? Are people still really denying that MS will do these two things, because now it's just getting sad.
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Sure, but as mrklaw said, at the start, when neither of them has the advantage, they might leave Sony in the cold, and then they'll face the problem of getting that ball rolling.
I think Sony can play this by ear with the tech they have. They can release a console with the ability to play second hand games but if they face to much of a backlash from publishers they could still implement it relatively easily. Of course they could also potentially face a backlash from consumers, but that presupposes that consumers would care. Which one assumes they wouldn't because implementing it would be in reaction to a successful next Xbox.
Glorified G
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Not denying anything. But saying edge has good info is not really confirmation in my eyes. If nobody thought that, this thread wouldn't be as long as it is.
TheDrowningMan
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Oh...Oh dear than.
It could also help out Nintendo, Microsoft is really going to have to take careful measures with this, if it is true of course.
THE:MILKMAN
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The worse thing about that post is nobody had the courtesy to reply to him!.....for shame
it's probably the always-online part that feeds into the no used games part. like, it registers the game code to your system through some sort of server. without always-online, i doubt they could just write that information onto the disc.
Wasn't he the one who reported on the "weak" WiiU CPU and the 1-2 GB of memory?
microsoft doesn't really want the video game market. they want the living room market. kinect is good for them because it has functions outside of video games. there's the 'good morning, batman' comic, but honestly, it's appealing to that imagination that works. you don't even need a tv remote to rewind tv shows and pause movies anymore. that's awesome. oh, and it plays games too.
Principate
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TBF it doesn't need to be always online, they just need the console to be online when they verify the key e.g like pc games. It's simply more secure if it's always online, but that's for protection against hackers and modders not your average joe console user, so I don't think it's particularily needed.
THE:MILKMAN
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Check his posts. He only has 46 total.
MikeE21286
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welp, looks like the only way I'm getting a next-gen xbox is if they wake their asses up with digital pricing.
If it's like the current Games on Demand pricing then I'm totally done with it.
He nailed all the Durango stuff and the WiiU stuff. I'd say it's more likely than not that he's correct right now.
If it's like the current Games on Demand pricing then I'm totally done with it.
He nailed all the Durango stuff and the WiiU stuff. I'd say it's more likely than not that he's correct right now.
If enough outlets advertise Microsoft's anti-consumer stance on this, hopefully that the press and media will pick it up to sway consumers away from Microsoft's new platform. Then the decision for publishers will be easy.
I'm sure you'd love that.
TheDrowningMan
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So MS will try to sell this as a positive...how will they do that? Say "even if you buy retail, your games are linked to your account and can be downloaded at any time!" Or something? Of course, it won't fool many, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's the spin.
Boxed games are going to be rarer than hen's teeth for this thing. They're going to need Apple level sales to maintain a strong retail presence outside specialist stores in the long term.
Boxed games are going to be rarer than hen's teeth for this thing. They're going to need Apple level sales to maintain a strong retail presence outside specialist stores in the long term.
We lose either way...
i doubt it. their decision has been to make games for one platform, and that's the ps4/720 platform.