Napalm_Frank
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That's more games than PS4 had coming from them 3 months after launch, no? We only had Deep Down announced and that has ended up being nothing so far.
Give it time.
Give it time.
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So, Capcom and the Switch: what's going on exactly?
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Good Guy Gone Bad
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Yes, Sony paid Capcom to keep the game off of Switch and was A-OK with them making an XBOX version.... just because the rumor got something right doesn't mean that every line is correct. That literally wouldn't make sense.
Isn't it much more sensible that Capcom is chasing the trend of the co-op shared-world action/shooting genre which is hot in the west, by developing for the systems that have sold a combined ~85M in the west?
I guess that's a much more sensible opinion and much less interesting though.
Also, it's literally been three months and they already released a game and have one in the pipeline, they're supporting the system.
Also -- unless you're a developer, I wouldn't attempt to try to speak for how easy or simple development could be for a new platform.
the only major 3d game what you listed is DQ heroes and that run poorly and looked poorly
You cant throw projects with diffrent scales in one list
entremet
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Did you see the last post? That was during e3. Those type of reaction threads were not allowed at the time.
Toadthemushroom
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Exactly. Digital Eclipse weren't even approached by Capcom to make a Switch version of the former, the problem wasn't anything to do with a lack of resource, or time, or effort, but Capcom execs not even considering a Switch version of the game a worthwhile thing to do.
Meanwhile Square Enix, who actually are making an effort, ask M2 to put out the Seiken Densetsu Collection, and Tokyo RPG Factory to port over the Unity version of I am Setsuna for launch. And independent studios like Sumo Digital put Snake Pass out on Switch in two months with great results.
gigantor21
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Really not getting my hopes up on that score.
Not only has their support been thin at best, it's been...very strange. On top of putting up a $40 reheated version of HD Remix as a litmus test for future support, they just ported SF4 to mobile. And after stating several times they wanted to boost MH's presence here in the West, they aren't doing a localization of MHXX, instead putting all their eggs into the MH World basket. This despite the West not getting MH on a non-Nintendo console in...what, a decade at this point?
But then again, that's not just limited to Capcom when it comes to Switch. Plenty of Japanese devs have games that could run on it, but either lack of interest from them or Nintendo has put the kibosh on any port announcements.
Not only has their support been thin at best, it's been...very strange. On top of putting up a $40 reheated version of HD Remix as a litmus test for future support, they just ported SF4 to mobile. And after stating several times they wanted to boost MH's presence here in the West, they aren't doing a localization of MHXX, instead putting all their eggs into the MH World basket. This despite the West not getting MH on a non-Nintendo console in...what, a decade at this point?
But then again, that's not just limited to Capcom when it comes to Switch. Plenty of Japanese devs have games that could run on it, but either lack of interest from them or Nintendo has put the kibosh on any port announcements.
Toadthemushroom
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This is why I said "either" and said "if I were to think like an exec". Because these higher-level decisions aren't decided by programmers or artists on the development team. Even a small-scale, easy project like the Disney Afternoon Collection didn't make it to Switch, and the developer said they were never asked to make it for Switch.
And if its any only current gen major game its gonna run like ass and require a lot of optimizing.
Still better then nothing tho
Toadthemushroom
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Lego City is more technologically advanced than DQ Heroes with physically based rendering and a more modern pipeline of tools. It looked and ran great, with visuals on par with the PS4 version and significantly better than the previous version of the game that was built to support older featuresets and technology:
Digital Foundry's Lego City comparison
DQ Heroes was a quick port on an engine that even Digital Foundry's John said needs a major revamp (iirc).
entremet
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Kinda funny and sad at the same time lol.
Toadthemushroom
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And EA! FIFA 18 on Switch looks like a really solid effort, with visuals and performance that seem to match the non-Frostbite versions of the game on PS4 and One.
So you arguing against yourself now? You cant list bunch of games and say oh that little devoelper without major publisher can port their game on time why cant capcom
hint lego city is not baked by a small publisher
there could be 100 disgae 5 ports on switch but this is no proof of easly porting something like MH World over
Huh? What NES games are coming to PS4?
b00_thegh0st
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Please point to the port begging. I'm just wondering where the Capcom's announcements are.
When I ordered my Switch I had no doubt Capcom would support it like every Nintendo console before it. It seems like I was wrong, initially at least. And that's quite a change in the industry, at least from a Japanese pov. Enough of a change that we may like to discuss it.
TwilightPrincess
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Capcom said it will bring AAA games and Resi Engine (7) (based on MT framework) to Switch, we have MH XX in Japan and there probably will be new MH games in the future for Switch. Also Nintendo changed hardware components because of Capcom, i don't think the situation is as worse as some people believe
Certainly production for 3DS was cheaper, but Mega Man Legends 3 was canceled and there were never successors to Resi Revelations and SF 4 on 3DS.
I would just wait for announcements and be a little bit more patient.
LordRaptor
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I mean... for these specific games you mentioned;
- there is inevitably going to be some form of VC for the Switch that directly targets NEStalgia like a laser beam, so waiting for Nintendo to do the emulation work and marketing then taking the NES rom royalties kind of makes sense
- SD collection is literally a few old ROMs, lol.
- I Am Setsuna and Snake Pass are both on engines that natively support Switch from the get go.
Now, Cacpcom still rolling their own engines and all of the work that goes into doing that like they're one of the big boys like EA instead of licencing an existing engine and letting someone else do all the work on that is a very different argument.
Toadthemushroom
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Yeah, my use of "easily" with MH World wasn't right. It's possible though, compared with other AAA games targeting PC/PS4/One.
I'm not arguing with myself, just stating all the possibilities, some of which conflict. I generally agree with the sentiment that publishers aren't quick to react - Capcom were likely convinced the Switch wouldn't sell well out the gate and now it has sold well, they don't have anything to show. But other publishers are evidently in a better position to provide content than Capcom now that Switch has proven itself to be a device people want.
As for MH World, there are more signs that it could be on Switch than signs that it couldn't.
Toadthemushroom
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They are definitely slower than other "big boy" publishers at bringing content to Switch, that's the point. It's relative to other publishers. But you make a good point with EA. Bethesda hasn't been super fast with Skyrim either.
And yes, while the smaller projects aren't directly comparable, they are still relevant when talking about Capcom's support in general. The fact that execs didn't even want to put a quick collection of NES and SNES games on Switch should speak volumes about what they were thinking about the format at the time. I wouldn't expect Resi 7 on Switch on launch day, but I would have expected Disney Afternoon Collection.
TwiztidElf
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Why Capcom anything at this point right?
Never mind the Switch.
Never mind the Switch.
b00_thegh0st
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The ending of your quote is so true: Capcom was on point when X360 and PS3 came out. They clearly have lost their edge since.
yes but other publisher are bigger then capcom and also are nowhere near dedicated support level for other plattforms. There a whole bunch of games either from japanese or west third partys on unreal 4, a engine better suited and supported by switch, that dont annouce switch ports.
The only thing you can say is capcom is/was not convinced by the switch but capcom is not alone by this, by the contariry
point is: I dont see anything that suggest even remotly there is something "odd" with capcom and i dont want even enter the territory of sony payed capcom for not porting games because then sony must have paid alot of more publishers then capcom
Microsoft is not a competitor in Japan, thats where MH has the biggest market share. Sony doesn't care what XBox does in Japan but it cares about Nintendo.
In japan, portables sell a LOT more than consoles, Sony has no viable handheld anymore and Nintendo has both in one.
SinCityAssassin
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Capcom is a shadow of its former self and it's obvious it can only handle 4 or 5 projects a year. Whether or not they choose to release new information on any other Switch titles not yet announced is on them but in the meantime I think they're trying to get their bearings straight on their company before attempted to dive headfirst into a new console ecosystem.
Not that I'm saying it isn't stupid that they aren't just getting those older framework games onto the Switch as soon as possible to capitalize, but that's just how I see it.
Not that I'm saying it isn't stupid that they aren't just getting those older framework games onto the Switch as soon as possible to capitalize, but that's just how I see it.
b00_thegh0st
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SFV is a Sony-financed iteration. It won't go anywhere else than PlayStation & PC.
efyu_lemonardo
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Pretty much.
Jawbreaker
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They hate Nintendo and their fans, so they're purposely and maliciously sabotaging their relationship after all Nintendo has done for them. All Japanese experts agree that it is an absolute betrayal that should never be forgotten.
Godzilla's Left Toe
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Them not putting easy money things like Disney Afternoon collection and Mega Man collection 2 is really telling.
MatrixMan.EXE
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I'm not sure why Capcom is being singled out here, so I actually do think this has everything to do with Monster Hunter. Japanese developers are being incredibly gun shy regarding their Switch support. We're still seeing games announced for PS4 for example, that you'd think would get a Switch version but aren't.
This is 'normal' though. Look at how long it took Japanese developers to start rolling out software for 3DS, Vita and PS4, then look where those systems are now. I don't think it's sensible to be so hyper conservative, but this isn't unprecedented and isn't exclusive to Capcom either.
The support will come, we unfortunately just have to wait.
This is 'normal' though. Look at how long it took Japanese developers to start rolling out software for 3DS, Vita and PS4, then look where those systems are now. I don't think it's sensible to be so hyper conservative, but this isn't unprecedented and isn't exclusive to Capcom either.
The support will come, we unfortunately just have to wait.
Napalm_Frank
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Do we even know if Digital Eclipse has (or had) a dev kit?
They made all (most of) the right moves - they had the right contractors, they had an amazing engine, picked the right game to continue and experiment upon...
From Lost Planet to Dead Rising and DMC4, it felt like they really knew how to invest their resources correctly.
I feel like around the time they began work on Dragon's Dogma - which was too big to tackle efficiently, the cancellation on MML3 and every other Mega Man project, the monetization of SFxT and pouring money into their mobile division without ever producing a hit game - they began struggling.
Wrong moves and failing experiments left and right.
But they always had at least somewhat solid support for new platforms, so their Nintendo situation makes very little sense atm.
b00_thegh0st
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It won't be. I promise to burn my Rockman security blanket.
Duxxy3
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Terrible management at Capcom. Has been terrible for a long time now.
SFV is a mess. MVC:I looks like trash compared to DBZ. There's no sign of DMC5, something fans have been asking for since DMC4. REmake 2 is nowhere to be found.
Regardless of how stupid or not stupid signing exclusive contracts is, they're just not making the kind of great games they were making last generation or the generation before. The only exception being Resident Evil 7.
To use a sports term, Capcom got shook after Resident Evil 6. They've never fully recovered from that.
SFV is a mess. MVC:I looks like trash compared to DBZ. There's no sign of DMC5, something fans have been asking for since DMC4. REmake 2 is nowhere to be found.
Regardless of how stupid or not stupid signing exclusive contracts is, they're just not making the kind of great games they were making last generation or the generation before. The only exception being Resident Evil 7.
To use a sports term, Capcom got shook after Resident Evil 6. They've never fully recovered from that.
Infinite_Daremo
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Where did this magical button logic come from? Unity for every platform still requires bespoke code to handle system events, controller events, network events etc...
The game might work simply by changing the target platform but theres still all the QA work to make sure it responds to every event the system can raise. Don't forget the work needed to get it running at a decent framerate if its being down ported from PS4/PC.
i think actually someone at nintendo say it lol
LordRaptor
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That's just regular port work. It's not "Gonna have to go out of our way just to get it compiling" work. It's as close to 'push a button' as it is possible to get.
Even the mythical "write once run anywhere" dream that UWA proponents push for W10 / X1 still requires that same level of work.
efyu_lemonardo
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I'm reminded of an old quote from a Capcom representative/developer, back in the GameCube days: "Maybe Nintendo should just buy Capcom".
This. It takes a while to port things to completely new systems, especially console games to something that has to run portable.
Well, not exactly - they were super fast during the start of the 360/PS3 era to support the platforms and even during 3DS we had early announcements and releases of RE: Mercenaries and Street Fighter IV which was a neigh impossible port to run at 60 FPS.