So does cf...
It's not the same. You are comparing rivalries in schools vs rivalries such as the one I mentioned which involves nationalism and clashing political beliefs. Rivalries in soccer are on a whole other level.
So does cf...
I swear you all think these guys are the strongest people in the world, come on, i'me pretty sure america doesnt have ALL the strong people..
Exactly. If American's gave two fucks about professional Rugby we would dominate it.does rugby have any 6'6'', 280lb guys that can run the 40 in 4.4 seconds?
Well does NFL have any cool names like Fuifui Moimoi?
It's not the same. You are comparing rivalries in schools vs rivalries such as the one I mentioned which involves nationalism and clashing political beliefs. Rivalries in soccer are on a whole other level.
It's not the same. You are comparing rivalries in schools vs rivalries such as the one I mentioned which involves nationalism and clashing political beliefs. Rivalries in soccer are on a whole other level.
Nnamdi Asomugha
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The only sports the USA doesn't win at are sports we don't care about. Like soccer, which to most Americans is a kids sport that stops being relevant at the age of 10 or so.
It's also interesting that the rest of the world plays sports with each other while Americans are only concerned with competing with ourselves (professional and college), because we're so out of everyone else's league. Our players don't even want to participate in the olympics because they might get injured for the regular season.
Well when your clashing countries are the same size or smaller than our clashing states then it's a valid comparison.
It's not the same. You are comparing rivalries in schools vs rivalries such as the one I mentioned which involves nationalism and clashing political beliefs. Rivalries in soccer are on a whole other level.
and we dont really have that sort of thing here in america, so it should be obvious to europeans why we dont care about your game
and we dont really have that sort of thing here in america, so it should be obvious to europeans why we dont care about your game
It's not that we care that American's don't give a shit about soccer, it's that we constantly hear that if American's did care about the sport and put just as much emphasis on it as American Football, that they would be better than everyone else just because American's are so much more naturally talented than everyone else.
Or claiming that college rivalries are the same as some European soccer rivalries. For example, the rivalry between Madrid and Barca is much more than just sport - it is between two nationalities (Spanish vs Catalan), two political differences, cultural and social differences. Celtic vs Rangers in Scotland is also heavily religious based as well - Irish-Catholic vs Protestant, etc. Many European rivalries go far beyond than just a sport.
Again, I have nothing against American football, I enjoy watching it from time to time, and people have a lot of passion for the sport, which I respect. And it is true that most soccer rivalries are similar to college rivalries in the US, but they are not all the same. I understand some college rivalry from going to an American university (UC Berkeley vs Stanford - I know it isn't as big a rivalry as some other colleges though, so it might not be a good example, I don't know).
It's not that we care that American's don't give a shit about soccer, it's that we constantly hear that if American's did care about the sport and put just as much emphasis on it as American Football, that they would be better than everyone else just because American's are so much more naturally talented than everyone else.
Or claiming that college rivalries are the same as some European soccer rivalries. For example, the rivalry between Madrid and Barca is much more than just sport - it is between two nationalities (Spanish vs Catalan), two political differences, cultural and social differences. Celtic vs Rangers in Scotland is also heavily religious based as well - Irish-Catholic vs Protestant, etc. Many European rivalries go far beyond than just a sport.
Again, I have nothing against American football, I enjoy watching it from time to time, and people have a lot of passion for the sport, which I respect. And it is true that most soccer rivalries are similar to college rivalries in the US, but they are not all the same. I understand some college rivalry from going to an American university (UC Berkeley vs Stanford - I know it isn't as big a rivalry as some other colleges though, so it might not be a good example, I don't know).
is this one of the 'nfl players are super humans who would crush any other athlete in the world' threads?
Wouldn't they still be foreigners?im being serious, do other countries produce athletes that are 6'6'' 280 with 4.4 speed?
ive never heard of foreigners being that physically talented, because if they were they would probably be in america playing football
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americans couldnt dominate soccer for many reasons, none of which include athleticism.
Nnamdi Asomugha
Wouldn't they still be foreigners?
For example there is Sebastian Vollmer, a German who plays for the New England Patriots
For College rivalries I would put a handful up there with any you could name for European soccer as far as hatred goes:
Alabama-Auburn
Kentucky-Louisville
Ohio St. - Michigan
Texas-a number of schools
North Carolina-Duke
etc. There are a number of rivalries that are just as hate filled as the Real Madrid-Barcelona one, and we have more of them.
yeah i guess. he's a tackle, not the combination of size and speed i was looking for. there are very few. sometimes the somoas produce some guys, but often just big bodies as well
we don't produce 'em because we don't need 'em. you see, being that big has absolutely no advantage in soccer or any other sport we like.
so freak athletes in foreign countries dont see the monetary opportunity provided by football or basketball? you think freak athletes are somehow created for sports?
I can agree that the hate and emotional levels for college rivalries can be just as bad and intense as in Europe (granted I have never seen riots causing the national security force to be deployed, or heard of people being stabbed after college games - maybe someone can prove me wrong though).
But that's not what I am arguing, the rivalries in some (not all) European teams aren't just about hate levels - there is often a heavily rooted socio-political undertone to all of it that goes beyond what you would get between people who simply went to rival universities, or live in rival towns. It's not to undermine college rivalries, it's just to say that they aren't necessarily entirely comparable.
For College rivalries I would put a handful up there with any you could name for European soccer as far as hatred goes:
Alabama-Auburn
Kentucky-Louisville
Ohio St. - Michigan
Texas-a number of schools
North Carolina-Duke
etc. There are a number of rivalries that are just as hate filled as the Real Madrid-Barcelona one, and we have more of them.
No. Just anything that involves sprinting, jumping or explosiveness [see Olympics].
Terrible attitude for a father or a coach.
For College rivalries I would put a handful up there with any you could name for European soccer as far as hatred goes:
Alabama-Auburn
Kentucky-Louisville
Ohio St. - Michigan
Texas-a number of schools
North Carolina-Duke
etc. There are a number of rivalries that are just as hate filled as the Real Madrid-Barcelona one, and we have more of them.
The CFL is not trying to compete with the NFL talent level. There are canadian content rules but the top talent in the CFL are americans that were unable to make the NFL. The CFL is very much a minor league with leftover players that can still have the opportunity to play the game professionally.I wonder if the best CFL team could beat the worst NFL team.
Really, no one cares that much about American football.
For College rivalries I would put a handful up there with any you could name for European soccer as far as hatred goes:
Alabama-Auburn
Kentucky-Louisville
Ohio St. - Michigan
Texas-a number of schools
North Carolina-Duke
etc. There are a number of rivalries that are just as hate filled as the Real Madrid-Barcelona one, and we have more of them.
UNC-Duke aren't relevant enough to have a rivalry.
Kansas-Missouri would be a better pick for 5th spot. Real hate there.
Are you trying to tell me that a high school rivalry is as vociferous as that of Liverpool and Manchester United?
Are you trying to tell me that a high school rivalry is as vociferous as that of Liverpool and Manchester United?
This is of course true but a lot of it is money. Children in rich countries have more opportunities to learn and try out different sports. Parents afford gear etc. That is why soccer is so popular especially in poor countries.Seanspeed said:Talking again about the 'pool' of players/athletes, I think the US has done a phenomenal job of producing top-level athletes in many different categories despite a wide-spread of popular sports, while in other countries, it tends to be 'soccer, soccer, soccer and soccer again'.
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The only sports the USA doesn't win at are sports we don't care about. Like soccer, which to most Americans is a kids sport that stops being relevant at the age of 10 or so.
I dont think anybody is arguing that American football is popular outside of the US, but Superbowl viewership is right up there with the Champions League final, so I doubt a Man U vs Man City match is gonna even come close.More people will watch a regular season match between United and City tomorrow, than the entire number of people who watched the super bowl. Really, no one cares that much about American football.
Yea, good point.This is of course true but a lot of it is money. Children in rich countries have more opportunities to learn and try out different sports. Parents afford gear etc. That is why soccer is so popular especially in poor countries.
Also take Sweden for example. Good at soccer, Ice Hockey, Track 'n field, blablabla. This is from a tiiiny population of 9 million. It's the money maan!