BBQ_of_DOOM
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See, that's reasonable.
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Gran Turismo Sport - Review Thread
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See, that's reasonable.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Different genres and not the same exact situation but look at games like SFV, Titanfall and any recent dice shooter. Multiplayer focused games yet people were going tf off at the lack of good single player content and it's something that all v$ developers took steps into rectifying. If shooter can barely get away with 0 single player, a semi sim (something much less accessible than a shooter like OW or even a fighting game) absolutely cannot.
GoldenCrow
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Progression is now based in all modes so you aren't limited to playing in one way. If you want to do that go do arcade, you can collect the cars you want boost them using millage points and then rip through the field and collect credits, millage points and improve your driver level. If you want to play aggressive online you will be sorted out with people who are like minded.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
All they had to do is just beat forza in whatever it does better than GT while still being GT. I don't remember anyone asking for a reboot. Just be better than the other exclusive racer while doing the stuff you are already good at doing.
Hawk269
Member
This.
My only fear is that to get more of a game (tracks/cars) its going to cost real money.
JayWood2010
Member
GT4 sold 11.8 million... GT5 sold 12 million and GT3 sold 14.9 million... GT6 5.2 million.
You are way off on the numbers because 18 million is something out of this world
My mistake. Wasnt sure if i was remembering that right or not. Must have been thinking PSP+Prologue+GT4
So GT3>GT4=GT5>GT6
GT6 selling less than GT3 by almost 10m, and less than 4&5 by almost 7m
They should fix their problems instead of just cutting parts. Try to figure out how to make the single player campaign more compelling. But that would actually be hard, so I guess they went the amount of least resistance again. From a content perspective this title is lacking compared to its competition and their own titles.
This is hogwash. People wanted GT to evolve by fixing the issues that were wrong with the core game AND be competitive with the competition in terms of features.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
The car amount is fine to me. It's the modes I'm salty about.
Lol, so true.
Lack of cars and tracks is kinda disappointing, but we will get more eventually. And I can't believe people miss the campaign from GT 5 or 6. It was a drag, and I wouldn't call it racing at all, because overtaking AI cars which act more as an obstacle than another car is not racing. And other stuff like licence tests are basically still there.
If you're enjoying that more than online racing, then I guess GTS is not a game for you. Buy another game or wait for DLC to drop sometime in the future.
That as well. The inflation of cars never did anything for me.
GoldenCrow
Member
What modes?
Yeah.
Of all the fixes people asked for over the years, I don't recall "Gut the entire single-player mode" coming up.
Updated graphics (cutting all the old car models) and better sound, running at PS4 resolution would have been good enough for me. I've never really been interested in playing GT online.
There are FOUR reviews factored into the metascore. It's far too early to start contrasting them against the other racers. It's just silly.
Most of the above (besides sounds) could be argued either way for past entries... but no way does Forza win for car models.
Most of the above (besides sounds) could be argued either way for past entries... but no way does Forza win for car models.
ethomaz
Banned
Yeap... GT5 sold about 190k units more than GT4... the exactly number:
GT5 11.950.000
GT4 11.760.000
http://www.polyphony.co.jp/products/
GT6 sold more like a Prologue entry but that expected being released after PS4.
BBQ_of_DOOM
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Would absolutely kill for anything approaching a DLC roadmap.
The single player was already compelling enough (not GT6 version of it though, 3,4 and 5 were much better due to constant prize cars). All they needed to do was have it, playing through each cup and always going for gold while upgrading any car I want is what GT is too me
davidwhangchoi
Member
wow 78 so far....
JayWood2010
Member
Yeah about the same.
GT3 - 95 meta - 14.9m Sold
GT4 - 89 Meta - 11.76 Sold
GT5 - 84 Meta - 11.95 Sold
GT6 - 81 Meta - 5.17m Sold
There is no proof that critic reception has not had an impact on the franchise. Again it dropping could be for a number of reasons. Scores, platform, release date. genre decline, quality competitors, etc
I would expect GT Sports to sell more than GT6 though, as long as people are on board with the changes in the franchise.
JayWood2010
Member
Stated that in some of the reasons it may have sold less (platform, release date). At the end of the day though there is no knowing the exact reason as to why GT has dropped from 15m to 5m from GT3 to GT6. It could be a number of reasons.
Actually it launched after the PS4 hit the market.
GT3 was bundled with the PS2. I had one of those bundles. A GT PS2 bundle within a year of the PS2 launch would of course sell like crazy.
JayWood2010
Member
As most big exclusives, they are usually all bundled at one point or another including GT5 and GT6. Though I did include that in an earlier post as well (bundles)
Apex
Member
You can remove the "quality competitors" reason since no other game had a significant increase of sales during the period of GT6, even many lowered in sales with respect to their previous games which gives weight to the option of genre decline.
ethomaz
Banned
Fixed.
GTP_Daverytimes
Member
GT3 was an anomaly, GT4/5 sold what normal GT's sell. So GT did not 'Drop' from 3 to 5, GT6 of course was a special case in that it dropped on a console people were abandoning, try to find a game that sold as much as GT6 on the PS3 (or 360 for that matter) after it released.
JayWood2010
Member
Time frame of release is also important in that front. From 2010-2017 how much has a franchise sold. People will buy newest release, bundles can continue yearly, etc
It's silly because being able to play online was enabled like one day ago or something like this? For an online focused game, this is strange. Good for all reviewers taking their time.
Yeah, GT3 has that sort of Wii aspect going on. I know lots people that casually played games and had a PS2. They might buy 5-6 games the whole generation and GT3 was one of those games.
ethomaz
Banned
GT3 sales anomaly was due US where it sold over 7 million (over twice what GT games usually does in US).
That happened because in one holiday GT3 was bundled with every single PS2 sold in US.
That happened because in one holiday GT3 was bundled with every single PS2 sold in US.
It was... US is the big discrepancy in GT3 sales.
KillerMan91
Member
If I remember right GT3 also was bundled with huge amount of PS2s in US. That is why its US sales are so abnormally high compared to other GT titles.
Unknown?
Member
GT3 was heavily bundled in the US in 2001 when PS2 was still the new hotness. Thats why it did so much better. If you look at the breakdown by region it shows GT3 being more than double what every other GT has done in the US.
Yes, and going by the demo, it's a thing of beauty.
Yea, it not being up for reviewers earlier is strange, but it is what it is. There's no point doing...
Forza - 86
Project Cars - 85
GTS - 78
... when the GTS score is only four reviews, and not including any of the > 8 scores we're already aware of existing. If we need to wave metascores around like they're important, it would at least make sense to wait a day or two for a decent number of reviews to hit first.
JayWood2010
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There is no denying that bundling may have had an effect on GT3 (again why i included it). There is also no denying that GT5 and GT6 were both bundled. To the same degree, is a different matter. I cant seem to find info if GT4 was bundled as well. What we do not know is how much each game sold off bundles alone, and whether those same people would have, or would not have bought that title without the bundle. What we do know is that people chose to buy it. We also know that many people did not buy the next installment (whether bundled or not)
Arguing sales on bundles will always be a "speculation" as we do not know, though there is also a known impact from them.
phantasmic_glaive
Member
Trolls.. just let em get it out.
I bought this last night, and I knew what I was getting. Love me some GT! Can't wait to get on the road after work
-Amon-
Member
Correct. I stopped arguing with whiners in Gt thread when gt6 came out.
The nitpicking this franchise has to get trough in this forum is unparalleled.
No other racing sim or game is under so much flak.
Probably because it remains the most successful, I guess.
sems4arsenal
Member
The car list is fine at its current state imo.
The real life track list is a let down. Only thing to lessen that blow is that Dragon Trail and Maggiore are god tier fantasy tracks.
The real life track list is a let down. Only thing to lessen that blow is that Dragon Trail and Maggiore are god tier fantasy tracks.
False equivalency frankly.
The biggest complaint is their focus on online, which is not what everyone plays GT for. Not about them having less cars or tracks or whatever.
I don't see how you can't see why some people would be disappointed by that? Did you not see the many threads complaining about SFV when Capcom did this?
I had a PS2 Slim bundle with GT4 and Tourist Trophy from Germany.
Psycho_Mantis
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Kyoto park is amazing as well. Tokyo has a lot of variations as well. I also think Broad Bean is the best oval in the game due to it not being a complete oval.
SmartWaffles
Member
Comparison as a whole is silly. GTS is not trying to do what other racer do and should not be directly compared.
Mr. PlayStation
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Södy;252294257 said:
Ah Tourist Trophy was such an awesome bike racer, imagine how it'd be if we got a sequel for it with the same GT Sport engine. Ah well at least there's Driveclub Bikes!
BBQ_of_DOOM
Member
At some level, the disappointment is understandable and reasonable.
The "surprise," however, comes off as both ignorant and disingenuous.
ehm... I get your point, and its fair. But... they are all racing games, so comparisons are unavoidable and somewhat make sense.