freeofgreed
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XSEED localizer upset Japanese devs removed accidental KKK reference (Kotaku)
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The most distributing part about this is that he taught children.
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Not a gamergater, but number 1 with gamergaters
YianGaruga
Banned
GAF sure is a nice place today. And people wonder why devs don't post here much!
Yes, the decision is dumb. But come one people.
Did everyone already forget this? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1361243
Yes, the decision is dumb. But come one people.
Did everyone already forget this? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1361243
ShockingAlberto
Member
I'll be honest, as someone with friends who work at XSeed, I have been baffled for years on why XSeed keeps him around. Their worst PR has usually been because of him, but I guess his value as a localizer is worth more than the consequences of his open mouth.
But this is straight up insubordination. It would be one thing to be weird and uncomfortable in the office about it, but announcing it to the world to paint yourself as a martyr...how do you still work there after that?
But this is straight up insubordination. It would be one thing to be weird and uncomfortable in the office about it, but announcing it to the world to paint yourself as a martyr...how do you still work there after that?
Ninja Scooter
Member
That is stupid and bad localization on top of it.
Gentleman Jack
Member
There's a lot to unpack here. The forum post is probably the best place to start:
One has to wonder if Mr. Lipschultz has any black coworkers who found the shock value of a 'KKK' joke worth retaining on the basis of its artistic merit.
He knows this and still took a drastic step in the name of weakly defending an orthodoxy about not altering an original work during localization, and not the first time he's done so, either.
This company policy is so weird and just feels vindictive, a low-level blackballing on future work that no matter how much you toe the line going forward, your credits are just done. Whatever, not my company. Just a weird thing to have as standing policy and I'd really like to hear the history of when that policy was established and why it's enforced this way.
One has to wonder if Mr. Lipschultz has any black coworkers who found the shock value of a 'KKK' joke worth retaining on the basis of its artistic merit.
He knows this and still took a drastic step in the name of weakly defending an orthodoxy about not altering an original work during localization, and not the first time he's done so, either.
This company policy is so weird and just feels vindictive, a low-level blackballing on future work that no matter how much you toe the line going forward, your credits are just done. Whatever, not my company. Just a weird thing to have as standing policy and I'd really like to hear the history of when that policy was established and why it's enforced this way.
Tom think it's funny as a KKK reference. Acquire evidently had no intent of invoking the actual Klan in their wordplay on NKK Switches. Which means in so far as "KKK witches" is a shock factor joke to an American audience, that's entirely on Tom, and what he felt was apparently worth defending.
Somewhere deep inside, you know the answer to this question.
Well, we know why this dev doesn't. He went hard into the paint defending rubbing lolicon games lol.
Passionate people are hard to come by so sometimes you let things slip.
But man...you'd think someone in his position with as much knowledge he has on the subject would know when to cool it when it comes to explaining "certain stuff about japanese pop culture".
I dunno man.
"It's for the good of the kids!"
YianGaruga
Banned
ok. totally missing the point, but ok
uncredited male
Member
This brings back memories of trying to comprehend why Washu would be in the Klan.
"Self-censoring" isn't a thing. That's called editing your own work.
tell us how you really feel
wow, just wow
seriously?
this is the hill you wanna die on?
smh
(am i doing this right?)
I have zero sympathy for XSeed. They pander some pretty horrible shit in my opinion.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
That's a great policy XSeed has, IE if you asked to be removed from the credits for the game, then you don't deserve to be credited for future games with XSeed.
As for the story, yeah that's not censorship. Not even close.
As for the story, yeah that's not censorship. Not even close.
EatinOlives
Member
My money's on the localizer not being informed enough about the situation.
Which like, if he actively wanted to sabotage his career over this who's to stop him? Lol
MaximumSpider
Banned
Funny how this always works
malboroking
Banned
"I dissaprove of what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it" huh?
Something tells me this guy doesn't really disapprove of what the KKK has to say anyways. I'm guessing he's the type of guy to rail on about "ethics in games journalism".
lmao at all the posters cosigning that dumbass post.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
If you can't criticize someone when they're trying to make references to the KKK,, when can you criticize them?
I wish that one day, liking SK for it's characters(, music) and story (this goes moreso for the 3DS games than the PS ones) will not be met only with stupid comments and snarky remarks. But alas.
On topic though: I'm liberal when it comes to localisation changes (I do not at all mind Tokyo Mirage Sessions' localisation, for example) and I think they are necessary for a good localisation, but even when trying to view this from a more conservative viewpoint of the subject matter, it just seems like such a minor thing to risk so much for. There are certainly issues that I could respect the choice for, but not a developer-approved change of an accidental reference.
On topic though: I'm liberal when it comes to localisation changes (I do not at all mind Tokyo Mirage Sessions' localisation, for example) and I think they are necessary for a good localisation, but even when trying to view this from a more conservative viewpoint of the subject matter, it just seems like such a minor thing to risk so much for. There are certainly issues that I could respect the choice for, but not a developer-approved change of an accidental reference.
Obliterator
Member
What the fuck? This story is so absurd it's hard to belive almost.
This isn't censorship whatsoever, and this dude thinks it's a hill worth dying on?
This isn't censorship whatsoever, and this dude thinks it's a hill worth dying on?
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Tom once threatened to quit XSEED over them changing the ages of some characters in the menus.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
This doesn't even fucking compare.
Maintenance
Member
I knew it would be Tom before opening the thread.
Goddamnit man, not like this.
Goddamnit man, not like this.
JonnyDBrit
Member
...To be honest, can we make this more about praising the devs for being a bunch of mature grown ups about this? They realised they had unintentionally made something offensive and so deliberately altered things so as to not maintain that. Given we have another thread about a Japanese being insensitive to concerns about content, I feel like Acquire should be given props here.
SolicitorPirate
Member
Given the shitty idiots who form a portion of XSEED's target market, I guess it's not a huge surprise shitty idiots work there as well.
Gentleman Jack
Member
The policy actually puzzles me a little bit. It's almost as if they're afraid to ask for resignations or just fire them if they're that rebellious against the company consensus on how best to localize a game, especially when it comes to unintentional gags laced with connotations of a domestic terror group that attacks and murders black people and people who help black people. If I'm that guy's coworker, I'm thinking, "Do I really want to continue being his coworker if he thought that was funny and worth a fight over keeping?"
An excellent point. Props to Acquire, even if I have never played, and have little desire to play, one of the Akiba's games
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I agree, honestly. I mean its not a big thing but from the sounds of it they were immediately responsive and understanding
EDIT: Also I didn't know it was Tom or what his baggage was when I made this thread, I just saw this and couldn't stop laughing about how literally incoherent the whole thing sounds
hydrophilic attack
Member
lol, you're the guy who becomes really salty whenever one dares to make fun of your Vita pedo boobs games
GAF is so mean
YianGaruga
Banned
I'm talking about the thread that followed, not the specific case. You don't need to be an asshole while sharing your opinion on this.
lol, you're the guy who becomes really salty whenever one dares to make fun of your Vita pedo boobs games
GAF is so mean
oh nice detective gaf is on it. good job dude
anime avatar too!
I'm just asking people to not be dicks everytime something like this happens. I guess that's too much for GAF
Basileus777
Member
Nah, it's a pretty messed up policy as there are better reasons to be asked to be removed from credits than the one this thread is about. It basically equates to forcing people out that don't want to be credited. I don't particularly care for blanket policies for removing people from the credits of projects they've worked on.
John Kowalski
Banned
People get angry at all kinds of things, i guess. Personally... i'm of the opinion that there is simply no way for a game to have the same meaning in different places, even without localization meddling in some way, so it's a hopeless and fantastical endeavor to try and guarantee that kind of professional scrutiny.
That said i think every gaffer calling this dude an idiot or similarly antagonistic words are way out of line and we should be better than that.
That said i think every gaffer calling this dude an idiot or similarly antagonistic words are way out of line and we should be better than that.
Obliterator
Member
For real? I like the SK games a lot actually.
Wait.....in Japan are they supposed to be adolescents? Because if so that's disturbing. I've only played Shinobi Versus and Estival Versus but figured they were supposed to be adults.
Because if that is a change they did for the localization was to make them older thank God. This dude wanted to keep them younger?
I'm assuming this is about SK? Or was it a different game?
Trojita
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This motherfucker is publicly painting himself like some martyr in defense of an unintentional KKK reference. He then denounces his company's actions, which I'm sure his bosses and coworkers are thrilled about. He is rightfully being called out on it. How else are people supposed to be reacting? He's being an idiot.
And this isn't even touching what people are assuming his larger political opinions are.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
In Japan the ages range from 15 to 18 I believe
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
You calling me an asshole because I think some random loc monkey is dumb for caping for a KKK reference that wasn't even the dev's intent?
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