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How Call of Duty: WW2 handles swastikas and female soldiers

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Deckard Chapel

Banned
pastrami said:
I bet you get real sad about movies based on true stories.

Edit: That, or I have some really shocking news for you. And you might want to sit down for it.
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Lol I'm sitting down - let's have it.

Cake Boss said:
No it wasn't hyped as that at all. Your just imagining and making things up now to fit your agenda.

It's been hyped and marketed as another COD liked it has been every year.
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Why don't you go back and watch the reveal for it on YouTube then.

Start there. ;)

SG-17 said:
They all have been.


And no, there shouldn't be a toggle.

Does anyone else here have a history degree specializing in WW2? Or are you all a bunch of armchair historians whose knowledge starts and ends with Dan Carlin and the History Channel?

Putting the Nazi Swastika and the Hammer and Sickle in the same box is laughable and just shows your ignorance.
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Congratulations on your degree, it's only the 2nd time you've mentioned it - now, why should there not be a toggle?

Nepenthe said:
Yes it is.
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No, it isn't.

I don't even want to play as the Axis in multiplayer - I just like historically accurate things to be historically accurate.

It adds to the immersion and atmosphere of it all and I'm glad they're retaining it for single player. Please remove yourself from your faltering soapbox and calling everyone alt-right, neo-nazis just because they want something to be historically accurate as advertised.
 
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pa22word

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Jangowuzhere said:
I don't get this. Why is it that you need both? The hammer and sickle is not considered bad imagery.
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I don't need both. I just think it's worth pointing out that there's no reason to have one and not the other. Other than silly German laws and Cold War propaganda purposes, both symbols are responsible for equally terrible amounts of suffering and pain and there's no justification for including one over the other. If you're going with "let's not offend anyone" that's fine, rip the hammer and sickle out as well for the millions ground to dust under the boot of that ideology as well.

For clarification, I've always considered not including the swastika in games to be dumb and have at multiple points critized this in the past not just with this game.
 
Tal Shiar Agent

Tal Shiar Agent

Member
Deckard Chapel said:
Lol I'm sitting down - let's have it.



Why don't you go back and watch the reveal for it on YouTube then.

Start there. ;)



Congratulations on your degree, it's only the 2nd time you've mentioned it - now, why should there not be a toggle?



No, it isn't.

I don't even want to play as the Axis in multiplayer - I just like historically accurate things to be historically accurate.

It adds to the immersion and atmosphere of it all and I'm glad they're retaining it for single player. Please remove yourself from your faltering soapbox and calling everyone alt-right, neo-nazis just because they want something to be historically accurate as advertised.
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There shouldn't be a toggle for two big reasons.

1. It creates a lot more work for the devs that could be spent elsewhere and it might not even appease the law in some countries.

2. The same reason they've never been in multiplayer for any WW2 game, at the basest level it's distasteful and at worst it empowers neo-Nazi, which today have been empowered enough.
 
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Kalentan

Member
SG-17 said:
There shouldn't be a toggle for two big reasons.

1. It creates a lot more work for the devs that could be spent elsewhere and it might not even appease the law in some countries.

2. The same reason they've never been in multiplayer for any WW2 game, at the basest level it's distasteful and at worst it empowers neo-Nazi, which today have been empowered enough.
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Agreed.

I really want people who want the Swastika to answer me this...

Where have you been for the last 20 or so years of WW2 MP shooters? Why is it NOW a problem?
 
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Kinyou

Member
You could probably make an argument that some people in Russia could also misue the Hammer and sickle symbols in the game.

Russian nationalism is also on the rise.
 
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Deckard Chapel

Banned
Volphied said:
Because not adding it pisses off nazi cosplayers ;)
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You are hilarious...

Volphied said:
There's absolutely no history and atmosphere in multiplayer. Not among all the 12-year olds throwing around homophobic and racist swearwords while teabagging corpses.

Mixing swastikas into that cesspool would be stupid.
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I don't play with a mic, so all I see and hear are my Allied soldiers fighting Nazi Germany.

How immersion breaking is the new War Mode going to be, whilst battling a fictionalized German enemy flying a flag with an Iron Cross on It?

pa22word said:
I don't need both. I just think it's worth pointing out that there's no reason to have one and not the other. Other than silly German laws and Cold War propaganda purposes, both symbols are responsible for equally terrible amounts of suffering and pain and there's no justification for including one over the other. If you're going with "let's not offend anyone" that's fine, rip the hammer and sickle out as well for the millions ground to dust under the boot of that ideology as well.

For clarification, I've always considered not including the swastika in games to be dumb and have at multiple points critized this in the past not just with this game.
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Agreed.
 
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Nepenthe

Member
Deckard Chapel said:
No, it isn't.

I don't even want to play as the Axis in multiplayer - I just like historically accurate things to be historically accurate.

It adds to the immersion and atmosphere of it all and I'm glad they're retaining it for single player. Please remove yourself from your faltering soapbox and calling everyone alt-right, neo-nazis just because they want something to be historically accurate as advertised.
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I've not called anyone here alt-right or neo-nazis.

I've said that people are not concerned about historical accuracy in its entirety because they were not there to champion the inclusion of minority participation and achievements nor are they complaining about any of the other inaccurate shit like the costumes, golden guns, and superhuman sprinting.

They're concerned about being able to see swastikas and potentially roleplay as Nazis in the multiplayer.

Because that's all their "historical accuracy" arguments amount to in this thread and elsewhere.

If you truly care about historical accuracy as a principle and not as a reason to see swastikas in your precious shooter, you could put forth a better effort to actually prove that and make an argument touting your based WWII knowledge which I'm sure you have.

Otherwise, all you've been doing is dancing around the topic and high-fiving people who are putting forth more effort than you are into also arguing why swastikas are suddenly super-fucking-important when they weren't in just about any other WWII game before now.

Again, up until this point you have been disingenuous, so you can miss me with your bullshit. Or prove me wrong.
 
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frontovik

Banned
At the end of the day, I think most gamers would be concerned about how the game plays out rather than grumble about aesthetics and historical accuracy.

Call of Duty takes inspiration, not emulation.

Also, the amount of mental gymnastics and strawman arguments are astounding.
 
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Volphied

Member
pa22word said:
Other than silly German laws and Cold War propaganda purposes, both symbols are responsible for equally terrible amounts of suffering and pain and there's no justification for including one over the other.
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If you're now implying that symbols under which millions suffered and died should be banned without any looking at the underlying ideology, you would very easily get the American flag banned too. Millions died a horrible way across Asia and South America due to "fighting communism".

Bottom line, the reason why swastika is banned and not the hammer and sickle is because Nazism is intistrically evil. From top to bottom. At least socialism and communism subscribe to egalitarianism and internationalism. Marx never wrote about building gulags. On the other hand, Nazism was always about exterminating "lesser races", and every nazi ideologue called for this.
 
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Deckard Chapel

Banned
Kalentan said:
Agreed.

I really want people who want the Swastika to answer me this...

Where have you been for the last 20 or so years of WW2 MP shooters? Why is it NOW a problem?
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You kinda presented a new question by asking your one specific question. The new question should be "why was it ever a problem?" Some countries hate the American flag should it be censored for them? What if a civil war game was made - can you imagine the amount of problems/censorship that would cause - especially if it was touted as historically accurate?

Kinyou said:
You could probably make an argument that some people in Russia could also misue the Hammer and sickle symbols in the game.

Russian nationalism is also on the rise.
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Cake Boss said:
I think you should too. Because they advertised a bloody gritty shooter which they are still holding that promise.
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How did you miss the constant hyperbole about it being "historically accurate" and "faithful and respectful to those that fought in it"? I doubt that you couldn't have not heard it because it's near-constant when they're rambling on about the game.
 
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Volphied

Member
Deckard Chapel said:
I don't play with a mic, so all I see and hear are my Allied soldiers fighting Nazi Germany.

How immersion breaking is the new War Mode going to be, whilst battling a fictionalized German enemy flying a flag with an Iron Cross on It?
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Nonsense. Multiplayer matches have nothing to do with actual WW2 tactics. They're completely artificial and gamified.

No swastikas is the least inaccurate and immersion breaking thing.

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OMG I'm so glad they're wearing the correct uniforms and weapons. My immersion is now intact!
 
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HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
People looking for historical accuracy and immersion in an MP title like CoD make me laugh. I'm sure people tea bagging their downed victims in the middle of a fire fight will totally not break your immersion.
 
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Cake Boss

Banned
Deckard Chapel said:
You kinda presented a new question by asking your one specific question. The new question should be "why was it ever a problem?" Some countries hate the American flag should it be censored for them? What if a civil war game was made - can you imagine the amount of problems/censorship that would cause - especially if it was touted as historically accurate?



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How did you miss the constant hyperbole about it being "historically accurate" and "faithful and respectful to those that fought in it"? I doubt that you couldn't have not heard it because it's near-constant when they're rambling on about the game.
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And? Are they not being accurate and faithful in the single player?
 
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Kalentan

Member
Deckard Chapel said:
How did you miss the constant hyperbole about it being "historically accurate" and "faithful and respectful to those that fought in it"? I doubt that you couldn't have not heard it because it's near-constant when they're rambling on about the game.
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Why do you keep ignoring the fact that when they were talking about that they were talking strictly Single player?
 
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Eylos

Banned
About ideologies, no liberal/libertarian/neoliberal author says that a Race is superior to Other as part of liberalism, and propagates hate speech.

No communist, marxist, anarchists author says that too.

Fascism and mainly nazism you can find hate speech against communists, sindicates, gypsies, homossexuals, jews, Black, in their ideology.

If is there a racist, homophobic murderer soviet dictator the Blame is on him the same thing to a neoliberal murderer homophobic dictator.

So Hammer and sickle is not the same thing as a swastika.
 
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Kinyou

Member
Volphied said:
Nonsense. Multiplayer matches have nothing to do with actual WW2 tactics. They're completely artificial and gamified.

No swastikas is the least inaccurate and immersion breaking thing.

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OMG I'm so glad they're wearing the correct uniforms and weapons. My immersion is now intact!
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So why do you think the setting exists at all? You know some dev spend a ton of time modeling those soldiers uniforms accurately, but apparently the next Battlefield could just use green blobs instead of soldiers and no one would be allowed to complain.
 
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pa22word

Member
Volphied said:
If you're now implying that symbols under which millions suffered and died should be banned without any looking at the underlying ideology, you would very easily get the American flag banned too. Millions died a horrible way across Asia and South America due to "fighting communism".

Bottom line, the reason why swastika is banned and not the hammer and sickle is because Nazism is intistrically evil. From top to bottom. At least socialism and communism subscribe to egalitarianism and internationalism. Marx never wrote about building gulags. On the other hand, Nazism was always about exterminating "lesser races", and every nazi ideologue called for this.
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Marx called for class conflict and violent revolution. What did he think that meant other than millions of deaths? Why did he think that once in power these violent revolutionaries would become any less violent? Why did he miss with all his "historical analysis" that in persuit of utopia this would obviously lead to the justification of mass atrocities in the end in every single marxist regime because the means were seen to ultimately justify the ends?

Marxism is inherently violent. I really don't see how you can read what the man wrote and not come to those conclusions.
 
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Deckard Chapel

Banned
Volphied said:
Nonsense. Multiplayer matches have nothing to do with actual WW2 tactics. They're completely artificial and gamified.

No swastikas is the least inaccurate and immersion breaking thing.

giphy.gif


OMG I'm so glad they're wearing the correct uniforms and weapons. My immersion is now intact!
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That same stupid gif keeps getting posted in here as an argument for pro-censorship and non-historical accuracy. Maybe I'm unique in this, but when I play a World War II game especially in multiplayer, I try and do it realistically; like taking cover behind walls and embankments, diving into trenches - using realistic tactics as you said. I don't just run around aimlessly shooting, but maybe that's just me.
 
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Kalentan

Member
Deckard Chapel said:
That same stupid gif keeps getting posted in here as an argument for pro-censorship and non-historical accuracy. Maybe I'm unique in this, but when I play a World War II game especially in multiplayer, I try and do it realistically; like taking cover behind walls and embankments, diving into trenches - using realistic tactics as you said. I don't just run around aimlessly shooting, but maybe that's just me.
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It is just you or maybe Call of Duty isn't for you.

Because your not describing CoD.
 
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Toa TAK

Banned
Deckard Chapel

There are better hills to die on than the inclusion of Swastikas and women in a video game.

Especially one that's already including them for some authenticity.
 
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Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
BBboy20 said:
Don't give fascism an inch, people.
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It's funny because devs have been doing that for literally the last two decades when it comes to playable nazis but somehow NOW it's too PC/censorship/historically inaccurate. Gee it's almost as if those people aren't at all interested in historical accuracy in a world war 2 shooter's MP modes.

Deckard Chapel said:
That same stupid gif keeps getting posted in here as an argument for pro-censorship and non-historical accuracy. Maybe I'm unique in this, but when I play a World War II game especially in multiplayer, I try and do it realistically; like taking cover behind walls and embankments, diving into trenches - using realistic tactics as you said. I don't just run around aimlessly shooting, but maybe that's just me.
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It's just you because that playstyle is literally antithetical to every design decision in COD's core gameplay right down to the fact that the maps don't even support that play style in the first place.
 
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HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Deckard Chapel said:
That same stupid gif keeps getting posted in here as an argument for pro-censorship and non-historical accuracy. Maybe I'm unique in this, but when I play a World War II game especially in multiplayer, I try and do it realistically; like taking cover behind walls and embankments, diving into trenches - using realistic tactics as you said. I don't just run around aimlessly shooting, but maybe that's just me.
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Have you ever played CoD MP? You must have an aneurysm when you see people bunny hopping every where or tea bagging someone for a laugh not to mention those people who barely play the game at all and just fuck around.
 
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Deckard Chapel

Banned
Cake Boss said:
And? Are they not being accurate and faithful in the single player?
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That remains to be seen. With all this swastika controversy, we will probably see two of them.

Kalentan said:
Why do you keep ignoring the fact that when they were talking about that they were talking strictly Single player?
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During the initial reveal and in several subsequent interviews before it was revealed that it was going to be censored in multiplayer, they blanketed their entire prose with "historically accurate" and "faithful and respectful" implying that the entire game would be as such.
 
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pa22word

Member
Crossing Eden said:
It's funny because devs have been doing that for literally the last two decades when it comes to playable nazis but somehow NOW it's too PC/censorship/historically inaccurate. Gee it's almost as if those people aren't at all interested in historical accuracy in a world war 2 shooter's MP modes.
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Na ive always considered it dumb. You can probably dig up posts from 6 years ago in my post history on this site arguing the same thing in some other ww2 game. The only thing that's really changed is that the conversation is much more heated now because of recent events in the us, as if the us is somehow the center of the world or something.
 
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Volphied

Member
pa22word said:
Marx called for class conflict and violent revolution. What did he think that meant other than millions of deaths? Why did he think that once in power these violent revolutionaries would become any less violent? Why did he miss with all his "historical analysis" that in persuit of utopia this would obviously lead to the justification of mass atrocities in the end in every single marxist regime because the means were seen to ultimately justify the ends?

Marxism is inherently violent. I really don't see how you can read what the man wrote and not come to those conclusions.
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The people who founded an independent USA also advocated violent revolution. And went on to establish a slave-based society.

Thanks for yet again proving my point. That if we decide to ban the hammer and sickle we'll also have to ban the US flag.

History is more complicated than you realize. Marx lived in a Britain of sweatshops and brutal crackdowns on organized labor, while an entrenched political elite ruled it all. He saw violent revolution as the only solution, just like the Founding Fathers.

On the other hand, Nazism is literal evil, based on mass extermination as its main belief.
 
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Xando

Member
Deckard Chapel said:
During the initial reveal and in several subsequent interviews before it was revealed that it was going to be censored in multiplayer, they blanketed their entire prose with "historically accurate" and "faithful and respectful".
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You've been proven time and time again that there haven't been swastikas in previous WW2 multiplayers.

Where have they said this time is different?

Post a link on the interview that made you think it would be different than previous WW2 cod games.
 
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Deckard Chapel

Banned
Toa TAK said:
Deckard Chapel

There are better hills to die on than the inclusion of Swastikas and women in a video game.

Especially one that's already including them for some authenticity.
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I have nothing against women in multiplayer, so please don't include me in that sect. Including them so that female fans can play is a good move. I'm talking about Nazi iconography and symbols. Historically accurate should mean keeping those intact, that is all I'm saying.

Crossing Eden said:
It's funny because devs have been doing that for literally the last two decades when it comes to playable nazis but somehow NOW it's too PC/censorship/historically inaccurate. Gee it's almost as if those people aren't at all interested in historical accuracy in a world war 2 shooter's MP modes.


It's just you because that playstyle is literally antithetical to every design decision in COD's core gameplay right down to the fact that the maps don't even support that play style in the first place.
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So no Call of Duty map ever has had cover you can hide behind or things you can duck down behind?

HStallion said:
Have you ever played CoD MP? You must have an aneurysm when you see people bunny hopping every where or tea bagging someone for a laugh not to mention those people who barely play the game at all and just fuck around.
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I don't care how other people play I was just sharing how I play.
 
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pa22word

Member
Volphied said:
The people who founded an independent USA also advocated violent revolution. And went on to establish a slave-based society.

Thanks for yet again proving my point. That if we decide to ban the hammer and sickle we'll also have to ban the US flag.

History is more complicated than you realize. Marx live in a Britain of sweatshops and brutal crackdowns on organized labor, while an entrenched political elite ruled it all. He saw violent revolution as the only solution, just like the Founding Fathers.

On the other hand, Nazism is literal evil, based on mass extermination as its main belief.
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You really don't understand anything about the American revolution and the ideology surrounding it if you're equating it with marxism.
 
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Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Deckard Chapel said:
That remains to be seen. With all this swastika controversy, we will probably see two of them.



During the initial reveal and in several subsequent interviews before it was revealed that it was going to be censored in multiplayer, they blanketed their entire prose with "historically accurate" and "faithful and respectful" implying that the entire game would be as such.
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Citation needed. As you keep repeating yourself. Also, this isn't censorship. Doing what they've always been doing isn't censorship. And you've done nothing but prove that not only do you take buzz words WAYYY too literally, but also that you don't even know what historically accurate means. As for some reason, it stops and ends with the inclusion of swastikas and absolutely nothing else.

pa22word said:
Na ive always considered it dumb. You can probably dig up posts from 6 years ago in my post history on this site arguing the same thing in some other ww2 game. The only thing that's really changed is that the conversation is much more heated now because of recent events in the us, as if the us is somehow the center of the world or something.
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That's why it's more important than ever to maintain the status quo of not displaying the swastika in MP.

Deckard Chapel said:
So no Call of Duty map ever has had cover you can hide behind or things you can duck down behind?.
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They do, but the vast majority of the space in COD maps is used to funnel players toward each other so they can get kills as quickly as possible. As are the mechanics with the high default running speed, the faster than typical reload times, hell, even the animations are incredibly quick while BF uses contextual slow kills.
 
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HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Deckard Chapel said:
I don't care how other people play I was just sharing how I play.
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And how is that not breaking you're immersion or destroying whatever facade of historical accuracy you claim is there? You certainly claim other immersion and historically inaccurate elements ruin things for you. It's an MP mode, it's not just you playing and it's not like other players are treating this like a ww2 simulator which you seem so adamant about
 
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Volphied

Member
pa22word said:
You really don't understand anything about the American revolution and the ideology surrounding it if you're equating it with marxism.
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You really don't understand anything about marxism and the ideology surrounding it if you're equating it with nazism.

For many people in South America and Asia, the US flag evokes the same reaction that the hammer and sickle evokes to you.
 
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Eylos

Banned
pa22word said:
Marx called for class conflict and violent revolution. What did he think that meant other than millions of deaths? Why did he think that once in power these violent revolutionaries would become any less violent? Why did he miss with all his "historical analysis" that in persuit of utopia this would obviously lead to the justification of mass atrocities in the end in every single marxist regime because the means were seen to ultimately justify the ends?

Marxism is inherently violent. I really don't see how you can read what the man wrote and not come to those conclusions.
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Voltaire called for revolution against the Nobles, you can find liberal texts that they defend uprisings, revolution and the use of strength.
 
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Nepenthe

Member
Deckard Chapel said:
So no Call of Duty map ever has had cover you can hide behind or things you can duck down behind?
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Every multiplayer shooter has cover by way of having vertical structures.

This means nothing anything to whether or not the intended mechanics of any game are meant to be subservient to a vision of historical accuracy.
 
Paasei

Paasei

Member
Both absurd and stupid decisions. Making an issue out of things that were non existent in CoD2 and WaW.

Not buying this 'correct' game, because people would otherwise cry.
 
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Cake Boss

Banned
Deckard Chapel said:
That remains to be seen. With all this swastika controversy, we will probably see two of them.



During the initial reveal and in several subsequent interviews before it was revealed that it was going to be censored in multiplayer, they blanketed their entire prose with "historically accurate" and "faithful and respectful" implying that the entire game would be as such.
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Move those goal posts fams. Keep moving them.
 
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Kalentan

Member
Paasei said:
Both absurd and stupid decisions. Making an issue out of things that were non existent in CoD2 and WaW.

Not buying this 'correct' game, because people would otherwise cry.
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...You mean those two games that also used Iron Crosses in the MP?
 
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Afrodium

Banned
Deckard Chapel said:
I have nothing against women in multiplayer, so please don't include me in that sect. Including them so that female fans can play is a good move. I'm talking about Nazi iconography and symbols. Historically accurate should mean keeping those intact, that is all I'm saying.
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So you think women should be allowed because female players want a character model that represents them, despite historical accuracy.

Take a guess why Skedgehammer is wary of letting people play as swastika-adorned Nazis.
 
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Deckard Chapel

Banned
Xando said:
You've been proven time and time again that there haven't been swastikas in previous WW2 multiplayers.

Where have they said this time is different?

Post a link on the interview that made you think it would be different than previous WW2 cod games.
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As I said, none of those games were constantly hyped as being historically accurate. They're just WWII shooters that the devs did some research on to make things look authentic. This game has literally and constantly been touted as historically accurate since day one.
 
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pa22word

Member
Eylos said:
Voltaire called for revolution against the Nobles, you can find liberal texts that they defend uprisings, revolution and the use of strength.
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The ideological differences and the gulfs between historical liberalism and Marxism are vast. Yes, historical liberals advocated the violent overthrow of the ruling elite but they didn't argue that they were fighting for a utopia that required half the population to be destroyed in order to create it, nor "missed" that such an ideology based on the fanatical pursuit of such utopia would inevitably lead to mass exterminations based on nothing other than the fact that they were killing others based on a reality that likely wasn't even possible.

Historical liberalism, and especially the version of it espoused by the American revolutionaries begins and ends with the notion that man is indeed very fallible, hence the multitude of checks on power everywhere in the us constitution. Marxim's utopian endpoint leads to people in charge to be able to justify literally anything in the pursuit of the ideology, which basically happened in every single Marxist regime in the 20th century. Like i don't even understand how you can compare them without being absurdly reductionist in an argument through absurdity level of ideological blindness in order to make a point. Just looking at the raw body count alone makes it clear that the bloody 20th century owes a lot of its blood purely out of the ideological trappings of Marxism and it's pursuit of an unobtainable utopia. It takes some real historical ignorance or absurdly reductionist reasoning to even begin to compare them.
 
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Xando

Member
Deckard Chapel said:
As I said, none of those games were constantly hyped as being historically accurate. They're just WWII shooters that the devs did some research on to make things look authentic. This game has literally and constantly been touted as historically accurate since day one.
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So where have they said there are swastikas in MP?
 
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HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Deckard Chapel said:
As I said, none of those games were constantly hyped as being historically accurate. They're just WWII shooters that the devs did some research on to make things look authentic. This game has literally and constantly been touted as historically accurate since day one.
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Yeah and we as members of an enthusiast gaming forum should all be more than well aware of the fact that game makers are notorious for talking a big game about their game that doesn't always hold accurate to the final product, for good or bad.
 
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Kinyou

Member
Kalentan said:
Seems to be just for that one map.

Plus if you look at the symbol that shows the two teams, it shows the Iron Cross for the Axis rather than the Swastika.
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Look right at the start of the match when he checks the teams. The german flag has a swastika.

Looks like whoever said that cod2 didn't have it was misinformed.
 
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