Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Yeah, but even there not on all the edges. My guess is still that no one knew about this technique, so they weren't able to call it for what it is, when they didn't know what it is.
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Killzone: Shadow Fall Multiplayer Runs at 960x1080 vertically interlaced
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GamingIsDead
Member
So that explains those weird graphical interlaced artifacts, i assumed they were from some sort of ugly crosshatch pop in that a lot of console games use.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
EDIT: Ok but seriously, with all these pictures showing it obviously wasn't native 1080p, how did no one notice?
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
Now that I think about it, I clearly remember the IQ debate that spurred a comparison between Ryse's AA solution and SF's. People pinned the blame on the FXAA+TMAA combo solution utilized by Killzone as the culprit for blurry IQ.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=709298
jacksepticeye
Member
That second shot shows it the best.
Ricerocket
Member
That looks pretty bad AND supposedly dips all over the place. Looks nothing like the promo shots.
vpance
Member
Yes, I hope they don't get the wrong idea about their 2+ mill sales and think the game was well received.
ArkkAngel007
Member
Haven't played BF4 on PC or console, but I'll have to agree with that conclusion as well to what the call was.
I'm no pixel counter, but this section looks telling. (Image size increased by 300%, so no additional upscaling artifacts)
ArchedThunder
Banned
Why would they come out and say "Oh, one of our 1080p games isn't technically 1080p in multiplayer, but is in single player." It's one mode of one game, they still have so many other games running at 1080p.
Dictator93
Member
That would introduce a second interlacing on top of the first one.
Chobel
Member
The res upscaling and interlacing is super obvious here. Like damn.
Since the interlacing occurs temporally, the artifacts appear some times as ghost dithered stuff from the previous frame. That must look really confusing in motion.
Jesus!
so do we need a new definition for what is native 1080p? because it is 1080p, depending on how ypu look at it.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Was there some threads about the multiplayer looking off I missed?
Nothing weird about the Order resolution.
The Order's resolution isn't weird. That's a normal 2:40:1 resolution on a 1080p display.
They said it was 1080 in mp.
theprodigy
Member
well that's kind of the point isn't it
BuggeryBugz
Member
LOL needs a beanie to make it truly current affairs
ps3ud0 8)
Sorry this is off topic but I have to ask, is there a reason why you sign off your posts with your name?
So you can add a bunch of extra combing artifacts on the opposite axis?
Lol.
We could just describe things with a bit more detail, instead of always relying on one number.
ArchedThunder
Banned
And it is, sorta kinda. My point is they were riding the wave of everyone praising their console over their competitor in terms of specs, why go back and say that the multiplayer of a launch game that very few people even play anymore isn't technically running at 1080p? All I'm saying that Sony and/or GG were in the right here, no, I'm just saying from their point of view it made no sense to go back and tell people.
I was thinking the same thing. I mean, just go tag fishing if you wanna do that.
Fair enough.Just something Ive done back in the day when boards didnt have username searches - its just stuck! Good memories
ps3ud0 8)
Nobody can say ElTorro is biased =P Still needs a beanie.
Not saying it's not some kind of big deal. But you may being taking it a tad personally, as maybe you should. I'm not saying buy it but it looks like you're one stop short of going into your computer and blocking any mention of Guerrilla Games from appearing on your computer. You're gonna look at that new IP one way or another !!
And then there's this shit. When you stand still it's 1080p but when moving it's not? I feel like Guerrilla is the Krazy Kaz of engine and resolution tricks. Does that mean that they only half lied? I'm surprised nobody has made a thread about Dead Nation being 30fps. But, it'll happen on Tuesday.
MP always looks odd for some reason. I always just assumed it was my crappy TV.
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
Man, look at this pre-release MP screenshot:
The game doesn't look even CLOSE to that level of clarity. It makes me mad now knowing that the resolution is so low.
No, but if you haven't noticed the multitudes of people that have talked about KZ's MP blurriness all the time, you must not have cared about this issue until something controversial like this has been brought up.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Jesus!
Wait! I have seen it before. Many other games, like hundred of them in last gen most on 360 I played.
Maybe it was never full 1280x720 last gen. It could be lot of miscount pixel counts. I suspect there are many 640x720 last gen games
There is no "sorta kinda" for 1080p. 1080p = 1920x1080. Anything lower is sub 1080p.
Just something Ive done back in the day when boards didnt have username searches - its just stuck! Good memories
ps3ud0 8)
Ahh! This is what I've been noticing. I kept noticing the edges of things had this weird look to it. Turns out it was basically interlacing I was looking at!
So is KZ Multiplayer basically 1080i?
i agree but its worth to point out that sony/gg said it was 1080p and its true. they weren't lying, just not telling the whole truth. makes you wonder if this method has been implemented in other games
What response are you looking for?
Wrong. The "p" in 1080p stands for progressive. This seems more like 1080i.
DirtyLarry
Member
Disappointing GG and/or Sony was not just honest about this right up front.
I would imagine this is going to forever cast doubt on any technical claims they make in the future, which is a shame as they are damn good developers at the end of the day.
I think they clearly felt the pressure of being "the graphical title" for the PS4, especially since they were the "chosen ones" at launch.
Shame really as this is no doubt going to tarnish their reputation some I would imagine.
I would imagine this is going to forever cast doubt on any technical claims they make in the future, which is a shame as they are damn good developers at the end of the day.
I think they clearly felt the pressure of being "the graphical title" for the PS4, especially since they were the "chosen ones" at launch.
Shame really as this is no doubt going to tarnish their reputation some I would imagine.
This is crap. And you know it.
symphonask
Member
So BF4 runs at a higher resolution and holds a better framerate on PS4? Always felt that was the most technically accomplished launch title of the bunch.
Man, look at this pre-release MP screenshot:
The game doesn't look even CLOSE to that level of clarity. It makes me mad now knowing that the resolution is so low.
Killzone 2 reveal 2.0
I am so tired of this shit
Liabe Brave
Member
Even with the "field" artifacts all over the place, I had no problem counting these as 960x1080, unlike the Gamescom 2013 shot I previously used. Either the MP resolution was changed after that, or the initial releases were bullshots.
Someone's not reading the thread.
Everyone will probably shut up once we see their new IP. GG just needed more time.
Back then they said the playable build was locked to 30fps. It was probably only in a late crunch scramble to try to hit 60 that they reduced and interlaced.
Iced_Eagle
Member
No. They said it was native 1080p. If they wouldn't have used the word native, then you could make the argument that it does output in 1080p, but the game isn't rendered to that resolution internally. However, Sony/GG's statement that it's native 1080p is quite plainly complete bullshit.
People have criticized the unusually blurry IP from the beginning and blamed it on a shitty AA solution. The claim that a lower resolution is noticeable is thereby validated once more.
MidgarBlowedUp
Member
I wanna buy the game now just to try it out on my LCD and my CRT.
I think you've done enough Sony defending for one day
And what happened then? Well, in GAFville they say that the fanboy's small dick grew THREE sizes that day. And then the true meaning of Console Wars came through, and the fanboy found the strength of ten fanboys plus two!
