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Several Tales games revealed in Jump
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Jigsaw said:
No one says they didn't record the lines. We said it's not being released. There are many times where localizations are started or even paid for and completed, only for the title not to be released at all. Square Enix has done it. Namco has done it. Nintendo has done it.
Dead Prince
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rollingstart
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I'm happy yet sad about this announcement. I feel like there is more of a chance Graces will be translated now, but it also means I'll be even more disappointed when it isn't. At least there is a chance it will be translated to english for europe and because the PS3 is region free I can just import that version, right?...right?
manzo
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klee123 said:lol, I have no idea. Which sold more in Japan? Mega Drive or PC engine?
Otherwise, then Mega Drive thenThat was in 3rd place right?
Anyhow, all systems had 2 things in common. Which were lots of ADVs and Shumups.
According to Wikipedia, PC Engine sold worlwide about 10 million units (2.5 million in the states).
PC Engine was more popular in Japan than Megadrive.
Kagari said:
Can't blame them though. They tried(?) and failed.
Kagari said:
I don't think a new Tales on the PS3 is surprising at all. But I think that the fact that it's not multiplatform is surprising. It might well mean that Namco truly does not view the Tales series to have any international appeal and is not interested in the market outside of Japan anymore.
Synless
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Sadly, you are most likely right. I hate to admit it as much as the next, but we most likely are not getting any new Tales games in the near future. I mean, Graces was a shoe-in if you think about it (large userbase, people being vocal about wanting the game), but what are we getting? A fan translation, that's what.duckroll said:
Considering that the ToG Wii fan translation team managed to acquire the www.talesofgraces.com URL, you can be damn sure that Scamco has no plans to bring over Graces.Black Rainbow said:
DarknessTear
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sonitii said:
We all do. Ugh.
I'd buy them both. They're Tales. I love the battle system. Gimme.
TreIII said:
I don't think that has anything to do with appealing to the west or anything. The fact is that when designing console level RPGs even in Japan, the expectations in terms of presentation and story scenes are such that 3D isa lot more acceptable. It's also much easier to hire experienced and talented staff within the industry who are good at 3D, rather than 2D. Detailed sprite-work is mostly restricted to handhelds these days because of resolution concerns, and I don't think it will ever change.
duckroll said:
Yeah, after a Graces port and a PS3-exclusive, I have this feeling they're just moving everything to the PS3 and sticking with Japan now...
TreIII said:
I'd love it if they brought back 2D on consoles just once for whenever Eternia gets a remake.
But that's my (totally) insane dream and they'll probably be doing that on a handheld system anyway. :lol
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duckroll said:
I wonder how much money they spend on developing this games, if it makes sense to cater to their japanese home market. Even Sega is trying to get their yakuza games being localized/recognized in the west....
Is as localization really that expensive when you already investing a couple million for a HD rpg ?
durrrrrrrrrr
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wow i don't know what's worse: Namco pulling another fuck you to day 1 fans, or how i'm going to buy ToGF anyway because it's the best rpg this gen. it's like i'm on the other side of the "who are the morons that keep buying into CoD?" shtick.
having finished ToG 3 times, i have to play it again on Wii when the translation patch comes out, and a 5th time when the PS3 version comes out. i guess i will start some futile protest by only buying 1 out of 3 games. fucking Namco.
having finished ToG 3 times, i have to play it again on Wii when the translation patch comes out, and a 5th time when the PS3 version comes out. i guess i will start some futile protest by only buying 1 out of 3 games. fucking Namco.
Dedication Through Light
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sonitii said:
Mythology 3 would be localized, Im thinking; though maybe characters would be removed. If so that would be another revealing of one of those 180 PSP titles coming through this year to the end of 2011.
LiquidMetal14
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I got nothingduckroll said:
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Why specify last gen games?Jigsaw said:
Particularly one published by Nintendo and not Namco?
I'm pretty sure the original ToS US GCN home page was hosted by Nintendo. Either way, legacy Tales pages now seem to be rooted over on the tales.namco.com pages.
More to the point, talesofvesperia.com DOES exist. It's quite telling that Namco let talesofgraces.com slip away, IMHO.
klee123 said:lol, I have no idea. Which sold more in Japan? Mega Drive or PC engine?
Otherwise, then Mega Drive then
Anyhow, all systems had 2 things in common. Which were lots of ADVs and Shumups.
Megadrive was a distant 3rd in Japan. The PC Engine was quite popular during its heydays.
But you are right - both seem to be homes of ADVS, Shoot-em-ups and, ugh, hentai.
duckroll said:
I still think that Namco should consider such. KOFXIII and BlazBlue alike have both provided viable answers for making 2D work in a HD environment. Go for 3D backdrops and 2D sprites constructed with the help of 3D models.
I think such a thing would not only help do more to help Tales stand out from everything else on the market, but it would do a lot to help woo the older, hard-nosed fans like myself who still cling to ToD:RE - DC as the best game the series has produced in years. :lol
miladesn said:
That's not what I meant though. If Namco cared about reaching as large an audience as possible outside of Japan, they would have released ToV PS3, and the next major HD Tales game would be multiplatform on PS3 and 360. Since they have no interest in doing this, it likely means the market outside of Japan no longer matters to them. If that is the case, then it means there is less chance of any Tales game being localized in future, regardless of platform.
Paracelsus
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~120-150k copies is a number you can sell on whatever userbase you want. You don't need a combined multiplatform userbase of over 20 millions people to sell that little, which means you need to look at the userbase to which you can sell in both regions without losing on either front.
EDIT: This taking into account you want to go the cheap way.
EDIT: This taking into account you want to go the cheap way.
distantmantra
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inner-G said:
Used copies in Japan still go for 5,000-6,000 yen.
Kyoufu said:
If the new Tales is Team Symphonia's new game, 2d is a pipe dream.
Not that 2d really matters anymore in Tales. Graces translated the ToDr battle system to 3d pretty well. The 2d ones really have no advantage anymore.
distantmantra said:
Yeah, kind of annoying. I wouldn't mind double-dipping one of these days to try the new features, but I want the price to come down since Vesperia wasn't one of my favorite Tales.
jump_button
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they never come out over here in EU T_T and about 50/50 that it will come out in US
Paracelsus said:
If they aren't doing anything with the 360 anymore and they decided not to localize Graces Wii and Vesperia PS3, don't you think Bandai Namco doesn't find that to be an acceptable number (not anymore, anyway)?
I think if they saw that as acceptable and wanted to sell as much in the west as possible, a multiplatform release of this new game would have been much more likely.
Do they really need to release the game on 360? sales on the 360 probably going to be negligible compared to the PS3 version, when FFXIII with aggressive advertising on 360 and larger userbase can't even match PS3 numbers, for niche titles like Tales it's going to be even worse. SEGA seems to be fine with releasing Yakuza games only on PS3 for example, NIS too. I think PS3 is a viable platform for these niche games now, making them multiplat and invest even more in development will result in more sales but I don't think that extra sold copies is enough to justify the added development and publishing costs. I think even ATLUS will probably do the same, the gain isn't that high IMO. It makes sense for ultra high budget projects like Final Fantasy XIII and Versus but for these lower budget games no IMO.duckroll said:
And about expanding the Tales franchise outside of Japane, it's not going to happen whatever they do, JRPGs are in clear decline, nothing specific to Tales. Tales never was very popular really.
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I found this at the Tales forum:
These are the characters of Tales of Graces, but apparently DEVD isn't part of the character roster at ToG Wii version I believe:
These are the characters of Tales of Graces, but apparently DEVD isn't part of the character roster at ToG Wii version I believe:
Paracelsus
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Rpgmonkey said:
We don't know what are they doing with the 360, they could very well announce a porting together with the western release.
Why are they not releasing the game on 360 in Japan? Basically the entire fanbase moved on PS3 and it's not they can try to port the game one year later on either platform hoping people will fall for that scam once again.
