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This week's Famitsu news (June 13, 2007)
- Thread starter neo2046
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If that's the case it's going to be garbage.AniHawk said:
:lolDefensor said:
Seriously?!? Can't be the retail version, looks shit.
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Even when you put it together with neo's scan I still think it doesn't look good:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6719016&postcount=113
azrael p.o.s.
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The countdown timer is now down to 9 days! You know what that means?!?!
These will be 9 of the longest days in my life.
These will be 9 of the longest days in my life.
icecream said:No More Heroes! 10 Days
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Kurosaki Ichigo said:wow, I like waking up on Wednesday and seeing this thread
I hope Famitsu stops being jackasses pulling my Famitsu-day to Friday...
Namco blowout this week! Tekken, Soul Calibur, Time Crisis...after these announcements, I wonder what are they going to do with the next 'Tales of' since their other franchises have gone X360/PS3 and Wii is getting a SC spinoff while they get SC4...with Sword of Legendia announced for Wii sounding (its name) like a spinoff-sequel and not like the real next Tales of, I really wonder :/
Oh, and I want to know what the hell is the New RPG for PS3 that Namco has on its website since many months ago
The short version is that Namco's guys have choose to develop games almost only for the western market and ignore the japanese market.
No DS support, no real big games for the Wii: Namco is doing all they could to ignore the new situation. :lol
It will be interesting to see if this "avoid" strategy works and if yes, how much time? But this is an old story.
They have made a choice. We'll see if this is a long term strategy.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Classic. Big. Mistake.
Sony, Microsoft and all major Third Parties think since a lot of time that first you make the game and then you implement the controller.
Nintendo FIRST implement the controller and THEN build the game around it.
If this policy continues we'll never see good games from Thirs Parties on Wii.
neo2046 said:
Sounds like great news for me. Glad to see SEEDS is supporting the PS3. I will definitely buy their games day one. Tekken 5 online??? Awesome, I still play it on my ps3 and psp. I'll be sure to buy this one to play online.
I want to see the next gen guncon 3, man I hope it looks good.
Good score for Folks souls, totally buying the american version though, unless the american cover sucks.
flipping_heck
Member
azrael p.o.s. said:
Then add in some Japan Time in there and it will be even longer (or shorter)
tanasten
glad to heard people isn't stupid anymore
Developers like Namco and Sega not showing their shooting game s on the Wii are nerds. It's OK they release Time Crisys 4 on the PS3, but release all the older ****ing great Time Crisys on the Wii. It would be easy cash in and more accessible to everyone that GunCom games.
titiklabingapat
Member
Terrell said:
WHOA, was it ever announced that this game has a release date of Winter 2007? Because it's written right there.
Ewww, talk about rushed.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
neojubei said:
That tinfoil hat of yours needs replacing.
Phoenix Fang
Banned
neo2046 said:
Ruh Roh my friend is going to be pissed when he finds out that there won't be a 360 version.
I can understand the good 36/40 score for Itadaki Street because the board game is really fun! Just wondering if this DS version will be as hard as the PSP game... The AI players always seem to get the right dice throws :lol
So, no news about the Bandai-Namco's Code Geass DS game? I'm hoping it'll be an adventure game with 3D mech battles and an original story.
http://www.geass-game.jp/
And on other bits of news, the Japanese version of Ace Attorney 3 will be getting a bonus 4 faced cover. Something you can probably use if you have the the import copies of the earlier games only and waiting to get the fourth English only one
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20070613/gsbp.htm
So, no news about the Bandai-Namco's Code Geass DS game? I'm hoping it'll be an adventure game with 3D mech battles and an original story.
http://www.geass-game.jp/
And on other bits of news, the Japanese version of Ace Attorney 3 will be getting a bonus 4 faced cover. Something you can probably use if you have the the import copies of the earlier games only and waiting to get the fourth English only one
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20070613/gsbp.htm
Aggelos
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Salazar said:
I am not snarling because of what somebody else desires, I am criticizing the phenomenon that arised by the not-expectated sales of PS3 and by the fact that PS3 lost some exclusives (DMC4, VF5, etc.). A phenomenon that implies PS3 is gonna to lose every third-party exclusive sooner or later and eventually is going to be suppressed.
For instance it was posted 994987987 times in this boards the rumour "MGS4 on Xbox360" .....
I any case a big "YAY!!!" for TC4+Guncon3 on PS3
and big "YAY!!!" that SC4 is going to have a PS3 version afterall, because some ugly rumours said that opposite.....
Mithos Yggdrasill said:
What is it with this paradigm of thought? It's ridiculously conservative. How can you build a game properly without knowing your input possibilities?
You can't sit there and design a FPS which relies heavily on the the user turning around really quickly, or it'll become extremely difficult, if the input doesn't allow such a thing. Mouse does, an analog setup won't, unless it's extremely sensitive, then it becomes difficult to do minor movement, etc.
You can't sit there and think, "I'm gonna make a sports game where in order to control it, you physically replicate the actual sport to some degree, which will make it intuitive and easy to play for non-gamers" without motion detection of some kind.
Games should be designed taking all game experience dimensions into account, including user input, which would be different for each controller. Games shouldn't be designed with the way it controls as an afterthought unless the actually interactivity aspect is fairly minimal to the experience, like in a turn-based RPG, where often, control is taken for granted. But designing Super Monkey Ball and saying, hey, let's make one for the SNES, or designing Brain Training and going, hey, let's put this on XLA (I know that won't happen) is an absolutely ridiculous concept.
Likewise, the concept of designing a game around a controller (whatever that's mean to mean) is often useless too. It'd probably mean the game experience is nearly enough entirely about interactivity. Thinking in a way like "fun things to do in a game which this controller will allow" is okay though.
Another way to explain it would be: Let's say horror games weren't scary at all during the day (which isn't exactly true), and then all of the a sudden, Earth became cursed with globally eternal daylight, horror games will lose a lot of their appeal.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Parl said:
It was just my opinion of course.
In particular, what I mean is that when you start developing a game, rarely you begin to think at the controller. You first think at the story, the characters, the graphics and so on and then, at the end, you simply adapt the controller to the situation.
With the Wii this approach is not valid anymore, because you risk to have a game that doesn't fit well with the Wiimote or that is "forced" and has clumsy controls.
Instead, you should try to start with the controller in mind. Do you believe that Super Mario Galaxy has been build on the environments ? "So, let's make Mario fly around galaxies this time". I don't believe so. I think it is more likely that they have experimented with the controller first and then they use these ideas in the game.
The same for FPA like Metroid prime III. Why until now no Third Party hasn't made a good FPS game ? Because they have implemented the controller at the end, quickly and badly.
And the result is that Nintendo's games are still the best on the Wii. Wii Sports is a typical game where you build the game around the controller. For the same motivation, I think that in Smash the best controller configuration will be the Gamecube and not the Wiimote.
Zelda is a rare exception, because the result is wonderful even if the Wiimote has been implemented later (but this required an additional year !).
So, what I say is NOT that the controller has to be the enitre focus of a game, but that Third Parties should start to think differently. I know it is difficult, but the results will be far better.
Mithos Yggdrasill said:
I mainly agree. In other words, shoe-horning is a load of tosh, and if one decides to make an iteration of a certain game series or genre on Wii, they need to change the game drastically, because the game will interact in a different way, whatever you're controlling will work in a different way, and the difficulty of the game will be affected, etc, etc, etc.
With Smash Bros, having a Wii version that still seems like Smash Bros, but takes the controller into account could be one where analog is to move around, but many of the attacks are done by flicking the Wii-mote in a certain direction and the buttons used for other stuff. The problem is that there'll be a delay because of the gesture. For this reason, I don't think there's many good ways to use gestures for interaction in some types of games, like fighting even if the way it works it changed a lot, because of the delays.
This is why I think a lot of games would benefit from having a good collision detection system and real replication of what you're doing with the Wiimote, with the on screen actions. Say, a game where you go around with a sword, if you lift your Wiimote, up, your character does at the same time. It isn't a gesture system, but works like the baseball bat moves in Wii Sports baseball. I imagine this being a difficult thing to pull off though.
The good thing about motion control is that it seems much more interactive to less hardcore gamers and it works better for them.
farnham said:
Except in the next question he goes on to say that he doesn't really think those kinds of long games would be fun with the controller.
JJConrad said:
No, I'm not taking anything out of context (the interview's right there, quotes are being copied and pasted, and it's for all the world to see, context-intact), and nor am I projecting my own opinions onto it. Sorry, but Inaba is quite clear in his disregard for the controller -- you can choose to ignore that if you like in the hopes that he secretly lurves it, but that doesn't change things.
It's funny that you say I'm just projecting my opinion onto Inaba -- I think Inaba is wrong. I disagree with him. His opinion is not shared by me! But he's still entitled to it, and he's expressing it as clearly as he can within the context of being polite and not making any offensive Itagakesque remarks that could potentially burn him in the future.
JJConrad said:
Did you even read the entire answer? He says they would've had to think about it... and then he goes on to think it out, and he concludes that the idea of playing a long action-adventure/RPG game with the Wii controller doesn't sound very fun!
"It's something to think about" is a polite Japanese non-answer that can hardly be taken as anything -- he uses the exact same answer when asked if the team will use different structures ("There's a lot of thinking that has to be done"), whether they'll try new gameplay concepts ("It is something we want them to think about"). It means nothing. His statements that he doesn't think Okami would've been fun on the Wii and that you can't design a game for a controller are the remarks where any fair reader needs to place the weight. This subsequent news that he intends to make a big game and focus on multiplatform (IE, PS360) is only further confirmation of his stance.
But go on, keep believing that every developer all the world 'round really loves the Wii just because of how it's doing on NPD.
wsippel said:
Suda's also said he's got a 360 project, but you're right, fair enough -- while I think it's highly improbable we'll ever see Inaba or Kamiya on the Wii, there's a very good chance Mikami could develop something on it.
titiklabingapat
Member
CaVaYeRo said:
I read somewhere that you actually have to use the pointer on where you want to punch and do the waggle. It sounds really crappy. The visuals and art style is awesome though.
cvxfreak said:
the original sensor bar had two removable leds, so you could attach them wherever. It'd have given more precision, I still can't get why it's a single bar nowadays.
And no motion, you only use the camera thing.
titiklabingapat said:
For what I've seen, they have three control modes: pointer (where to hit and "drawings"), WiiSports-like and Classic Controller.
I prayed for a Wii Sports evolved-enhanced system, but seeing those numbers...
:_(Metalmurphy
Member
Omg
Tekken DR just became the best game on the PS3 imho. I absolutely LOVE the game on the PSP (even managed to be 6th on the world ranking ^^ but that didn't last long)
Tekken DR just became the best game on the PS3 imho. I absolutely LOVE the game on the PSP (even managed to be 6th on the world ranking ^^ but that didn't last long
)PSP? :loldrohne said:
To be fair, a disregard for the wiimote isn't a disregard for the platform entirely.... Inaba's just saying game concept has to lead feature implementation, not the reverse. And in the same interview he warns against supporting struggling platforms, which certainly paints Wii in a better light than PS360 at the moment.ethelred said:
We all know Seeds first project is 360 bound though, and they might be getting some of that Microsoft cash infusion that's been going around. Or they might be getting startup funding from (ex-SEGA head) Nakayama, who also favors 360 (see also: cavia, Artoon, AQI, Feel Plus).
radios shipping overview
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Is there anything about Kikikaikai 2 in this issue? I need confirmation on somebody else's report that the game's been canned. >_<