DeathoftheEndless
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There will never be another console with the diversity and sheer volume of games that the PS2/Xbox/GC had.
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Has the PS4 surpassed the previous three consoles in terms of quality? (Answer: no.)
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Playstation 1 hit a stride only consoles like NES, SNES and DS have hit.
PS2 is probably a slightly lower quality, just because there was less unique titles, more sequels, things started to standardize and we lost some aspirations for epic games the hold huge worlds for more linear games. This is in line with the PS4 right now, so I'd say these are similar.
Another big point to make is PS2 was a more western friendly console in terms of library, where PS1's competitor was the N64, a western focused console up there with the XBox (outside of internally made Nintendo of japan games) PS2 also had heavy Japanese support which PS4 is definitely starting to see with things like Nioh, Persona 5 and Nier.
It will be interesting to me to see how Switch effects PS4's japanese support, I assume since these development platforms are so similar, smaller japanese games will start being made that release on both platfroms, so that japanese developers can hit a wider home audience (handhelds) while pushing their titles west like in the PS2 era. PS4 might heavily benefit from the Switch in this way, but we will have to wait and see how they coexist.
I see statements like these a lot... They completely ignore indie development.
PS2 is probably a slightly lower quality, just because there was less unique titles, more sequels, things started to standardize and we lost some aspirations for epic games the hold huge worlds for more linear games. This is in line with the PS4 right now, so I'd say these are similar.
Another big point to make is PS2 was a more western friendly console in terms of library, where PS1's competitor was the N64, a western focused console up there with the XBox (outside of internally made Nintendo of japan games) PS2 also had heavy Japanese support which PS4 is definitely starting to see with things like Nioh, Persona 5 and Nier.
It will be interesting to me to see how Switch effects PS4's japanese support, I assume since these development platforms are so similar, smaller japanese games will start being made that release on both platfroms, so that japanese developers can hit a wider home audience (handhelds) while pushing their titles west like in the PS2 era. PS4 might heavily benefit from the Switch in this way, but we will have to wait and see how they coexist.
I see statements like these a lot... They completely ignore indie development.
Laurel_McFang
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I think games are just in general getting better. I just beat dishonored 2 which I am currently selling in order to buy Horizon Zero Dawn. Almost everything I have played on ps4 had great gameplay, good ideas (titanfall 2), and good grfx. The devs get what we want and have managed to develop something close to the ideals Nintendo puts forth, but with the next gen graphical push we also want. It's a good time to be alive, but also speaking frankly games are somewhat stagnating in the awesome idea loop (For Honor) which while better than their forebears we lack that crazy something (Minecraft) that made last gen special.
facetheslayer92
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PS1 had 2400 physical games while PS2 had 3800 physical games. Some games were shovelware, but at the end of the day the sheer volume of high quality games on both systems sold these like hot cakes. PS4 will probably touch PS3 in terms of quality by 2020 the war things are looking.
Jack The Nipper
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... dude.................
It's still the worst. EASILY There is nothing more to say.
It's still the worst. EASILY There is nothing more to say.
What? PS1 is ahead of PS3 and we won't even talk about 4 being close.. Do you even realize where the best Twisted Metals, wipeouts, MGS and Tomb Raiders are? I won't continue on but games were made quicker and just a ton of amazing stuff on ps1. TLOU, Journey are decent games but they aren't the best games on PS3 even.
Barf. Not really missing much then.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Only the PS3 OP 😩
PS2 was really something special, but the PS4 is such a nicely designed little machine, and Sony is doing everything correct with it too, so yea, its right there.
I don't even feel like the PS4 is showing much age at all yet, as 1st party's are still pushing it, and "Indie PC Ports" are getting better and better.
Great generation by sony, I'd love for it to last until Xmas 2019.
I don't even feel like the PS4 is showing much age at all yet, as 1st party's are still pushing it, and "Indie PC Ports" are getting better and better.
Great generation by sony, I'd love for it to last until Xmas 2019.
ArkhamFantasy
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You should have said "launch alligned" so we arent comparing a 3 year old library to decade old libraries.
tiebreaker
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By the end of the year, PS4 will probably surpass PS3 in terms of games library. Most good titles are getting ports anyway.
But compared to PS1 and PS2?? A big fat nope.
But compared to PS1 and PS2?? A big fat nope.
This. Also, in the same vein, the fact that I simply can't buy someone money for their PSN account virtually and have to do it via a physical card is kind of sad and archaic.
facetheslayer92
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The golden age of gaming for me at least.
martino
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title and op are two different things.
I agree with op, ps4 has far surpass what was expected at launch.
I disagree with the title.we are far from the amount and quality you can only find on ps1/2 (and i doubt it will happen sometime,times have changed)
Perfect gif
It's not even remotely close to PS1 or PS2. Many of those games haven't aged the best, but IN THEIR TIME, the consistent quality (and quantity) of titles was immense.
For me personally, I put PS1 before PS2. As someone who had spending money during that gen, I could not keep up, at all. Really a magical time. PS2 built on that (and will forever have the distinction of most killer holiday 2 line-up).
With all that said, PS4 is in a great place right now.
For me personally, I put PS1 before PS2. As someone who had spending money during that gen, I could not keep up, at all. Really a magical time. PS2 built on that (and will forever have the distinction of most killer holiday 2 line-up).
With all that said, PS4 is in a great place right now.
Lister
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Lol, the only thing the PS4 does better than a modern gaming PC is long load times. Tried playing the Witcher 3 ona buddy's PS4 over the long weekend and I couldn't believe being stuck behind that load screen for well over a minute.
As for library, I think it has the potential to be better than any console that came before but it's not there yet.
Since my favorite genre, the RPG, is basically dead in Japan as we know it... I can't say that this is the best Sony generation. Yet.
The golden years of Squaresoft make it PS1 for me, with PS2 lagging ever-so-slightly behind.
This is a flawed argument... I saw an article here a few weeks ago that basically proved how much more stringent reviewers are today as opposed to previous generations. It has to be a masterpiece to get above a 90 in today's climate.
The golden years of Squaresoft make it PS1 for me, with PS2 lagging ever-so-slightly behind.
This is a flawed argument... I saw an article here a few weeks ago that basically proved how much more stringent reviewers are today as opposed to previous generations. It has to be a masterpiece to get above a 90 in today's climate.
I swear people just get more and more caught up in hype of stuff that happens here and now.
The amount of threads with "is insert name of well received recently released game here the best ever made" and the like is just baffling.
It's like they lack the ability to see past their nose whenever something they really like appears.
The ps1 and ps2 have classic enormous game libraries, just because the ps4 got a bunch of good games early this year doesn't make it the best ever. Learn to get a little perspective on things.
The amount of threads with "is insert name of well received recently released game here the best ever made" and the like is just baffling.
It's like they lack the ability to see past their nose whenever something they really like appears.
The ps1 and ps2 have classic enormous game libraries, just because the ps4 got a bunch of good games early this year doesn't make it the best ever. Learn to get a little perspective on things.
DeathoftheEndless
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I didn't ignore indie development. Its still not even close.
You can't compare a Metascore from 2003 and a Metascore from 2017 ...
ArkhamFantasy
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Reviewers handed out 9s like candy 15 years ago.
Jack The Nipper
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Also considering games like Shadowfall, Infamous, LBP3 are sort of not that great honestly.
Third party made up for it a bit but still it's just lacking so hard. It has about 10 to 15 great to really outstanding titles and I don't even really consider Tomb Raider, TLOU as that great honestly. They are going to be considered great as a whole from the base though and I get that.
But so many developers and games are missing it's nearly impossible for it to ever be better than PS1/PS2 in most cases.
At least ps3 had Ridge Racer, HOTD and even Silent Hill other similar titles that PS4 isn't getting.
If PS4 ends up getting Daytona and Japan keeps hitting it out of the park then maybe PS4 will surpass it. Right now, it's just a solid no.
Third party made up for it a bit but still it's just lacking so hard. It has about 10 to 15 great to really outstanding titles and I don't even really consider Tomb Raider, TLOU as that great honestly. They are going to be considered great as a whole from the base though and I get that.
But so many developers and games are missing it's nearly impossible for it to ever be better than PS1/PS2 in most cases.
At least ps3 had Ridge Racer, HOTD and even Silent Hill other similar titles that PS4 isn't getting.
If PS4 ends up getting Daytona and Japan keeps hitting it out of the park then maybe PS4 will surpass it. Right now, it's just a solid no.
facetheslayer92
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You should list the games. I guarantee you their quality. I don't think 58 titles with 90+ on Metacritic is anything to scoff at.
AbandonedTrolley
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Once I have TLOU2, GT:Sport, Ni No Kuni 2 and Horizon all sitting on my shelf I'll say yes.
Maaaaaardy
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There's a big case for it being better than the PS1.
By the end of the generation, it could be par with the PS2. The issue is developers don't pump out games like they did back when FF7/8/9 and MGS games were being almost shovelled out.
SweetJohnnyCage
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In terms of polish on games, maybe. But the sheer innovation in the PS1 and PS2 are probably never going to be matched.
Jack The Nipper
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I love many kinds of games but these digital games are worse and worse honestly. A lot of them I just can't seem to get into. Not even as solid as last gens d/l titles like Shatter.re
There are a lot of them though but I wish they would stop at least half of them and try to go for higher quality games
Jawmuncher
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At this current point it's still behind PS2 and PS1 if you ask me.
There's good games sure, but we're missing a lot of ground breaking games. Which is a big measurement for me.
There's good games sure, but we're missing a lot of ground breaking games. Which is a big measurement for me.
Yep, thanks. That's just 1 fall, shit was crazy.
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