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Tales of Graces (Wii) Tales of VS (PSP), Tales of Vesperia (PS3) JP sites open.
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From the demo, this port is FAR better than the one Symphonia got for PS2. Only real knock is that the battle load times are a few seconds longer, but that's not saying too much as they were damn near instant on 360 (after the first battle). Framerates are the same, and I don't really notice any huge differences in the graphics, aside from the fact that it's 720p and I played the 360 version in 1080 which looked noticeably sharper.
grandjedi6
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I'm pretty sure that gorilla is one of the new Giganto Monsters which are optional and are suppose to be harder than normal.jiggle said:
Game looks exactly the same.
Patty seems to play similar to Colette in Symphonia.
If you want to change the controls (to say X for regular and Circle for special), press Triangle for menu, go to the last option (icon with arrow up and down), select the sixth option and press X. Just go to the part where it says "X" and press "Circle". They'll automatically change. Go to the bottom and select the last option to save and quit.
I actually died at the Giganto Monster. I don't know which arte is which and was too lazy to pick it out. Kept trying to move with the D-Pad and I can't seem to free run for some reason.
Patty seems to play similar to Colette in Symphonia.
If you want to change the controls (to say X for regular and Circle for special), press Triangle for menu, go to the last option (icon with arrow up and down), select the sixth option and press X. Just go to the part where it says "X" and press "Circle". They'll automatically change. Go to the bottom and select the last option to save and quit.
I actually died at the Giganto Monster. I don't know which arte is which and was too lazy to pick it out. Kept trying to move with the D-Pad and I can't seem to free run for some reason.
BlimBlim has screens up in the official thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=16640523#post16640523
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=16640523#post16640523
distantmantra
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I beat the boss, you just get a Coming Soon screen afterwards.
This game is insanely fun. Been playing some via PS3 ad hoc, and it works great.
Are there any guides on what weapon/armor routes to go for each choice of weapon type, or one should go for anything one can get a hold on?
EDIT: This was supposed to end up in the MHU thread, not this one
Are there any guides on what weapon/armor routes to go for each choice of weapon type, or one should go for anything one can get a hold on?
EDIT: This was supposed to end up in the MHU thread, not this one
distantmantra
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Billen said:
Huh?
ShockingAlberto
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It's...not?Firestorm said:
It comes out early August.
Edit: Damn your stealth edit, Firestorm!
Mr. Wonderful
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Fixed.distantmantra said:
...Bitter tears.
Urban Scholar
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aww yeah good morning to me
flipping_heck
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Loved the demo, it is so beautiful, and it hurts to think that ToV is not even announced for NA/EU yet.. gah!
The battle looked very standard Tales like, and I enjoyed playing around with the wolf and Patty. The boss at the end of the demo was pretty tough, but beat it first try yay
Please Namco, announce it for the US!!!
The battle looked very standard Tales like, and I enjoyed playing around with the wolf and Patty. The boss at the end of the demo was pretty tough, but beat it first try
yayPlease Namco, announce it for the US!!!
Hi guys.
Just got my GAF account activated, big Tales fan, if there's a Tales thread you're likely to see me in it. Been following this thread for a while, totally hyped for Tales of Graces. I was a Nintendo-console-only gamer up until recently, so the only Tales games I'd played were Phantasia, Symphonia, Innocence, Symphonia 2, and Hearts. Oh, and Tempest, though I only bought that because it was crazy cheap, and never got very far in it :lol
Earlier this year, though, I finally bought a PS2, mostly so that I could play the Tales games I've been missing out on, and so far have played Abyss and am working my way through Destiny (Director's Cut). Loving it so far.
Still kind of irritates me that I won't be able to play VS or Vesperia, but I just can't justify buying those consoles to myself. But Graces hype and my backlog are certainly enough to keep me on a Tales high for the moment
Just got my GAF account activated, big Tales fan, if there's a Tales thread you're likely to see me in it. Been following this thread for a while, totally hyped for Tales of Graces. I was a Nintendo-console-only gamer up until recently, so the only Tales games I'd played were Phantasia, Symphonia, Innocence, Symphonia 2, and Hearts. Oh, and Tempest, though I only bought that because it was crazy cheap, and never got very far in it :lol
Earlier this year, though, I finally bought a PS2, mostly so that I could play the Tales games I've been missing out on, and so far have played Abyss and am working my way through Destiny (Director's Cut). Loving it so far.
Still kind of irritates me that I won't be able to play VS or Vesperia, but I just can't justify buying those consoles to myself. But Graces hype and my backlog are certainly enough to keep me on a Tales high for the moment
Okay, I was waiting for the other two to show, but they're not, so screw it. :/
Vesperia
Estelle: Eloquent One Piece
Raven: Gossiping Summer Man
Flynn: Technical Diver
Patty: Southern Rainbow Straw Girl
Also, the demo has English text in the data for skills. Maybe it means something, maybe it's just stuff hidden deep in the 360 version no one found and they just copied it. Don't really care about this game either way so I'm not gonna bother to overthink it and get all hopeful.
Vesperia
Estelle: Eloquent One Piece
Raven: Gossiping Summer Man
Flynn: Technical Diver
Patty: Southern Rainbow Straw Girl
Also, the demo has English text in the data for skills. Maybe it means something, maybe it's just stuff hidden deep in the 360 version no one found and they just copied it. Don't really care about this game either way so I'm not gonna bother to overthink it and get all hopeful.
Graces
-Turns out it's Cheria Barnes. Her styles are Throwing Knife Artes and Holy Magic.
-The other guy is Hubert Ozwell (who has...blue hair apparently). His styles are Double-Blade Artes and Twin Gun Spells.
-And there seems to be something called Hissatsuwaza/Special Moves. I'm assuming they're something like Burst Artes, but these look a bit flashier than those.
-Also, it looks like the game is using the CC (Chain Capacity) system from the Tales of Destiny remake instead of TP or anything.
For those who don't know what it is, in a way, it's sorta like Overlimit in Vesperia, in that you can link any attacks together, even the same one. Except the game is built more heavily around this system, and it works like a stamina bar that limits how much you can attack.
Certain actions consume certain amounts of CC. Stuff like a normal attack, backstepping, and a double jump uses 1 CC, while a character's most powerful attacks use, say, 6 CC. Once you run out of CC, or stop attacking for whatever reason, by resting for a second or two you refill your CC gauge. When you start off a fight you don't have maximum CC, but when it recharges, you gain a little more until you reach that character's maximum amount, then it restarts and goes back to the minimum, until you build it back up again and so on.
It gets deeper as you progress and get more CC and a bigger movelist. It's arguably the fastest and most combo-efficient system used in a Tales game to date. I'm sure this will be making a few changes/additions, but I'm guessing the core of the system is still intact.
It might sound a little convoluted when someone explains it to you through words, but it's actually one of the more user-friendly systems in the series.
Versus
I admit I didn't take a long look, but I don't think it has anything that wasn't already in Jump last week?
I've played around with it with a friend, but never got my own copy yet.
-Turns out it's Cheria Barnes. Her styles are Throwing Knife Artes and Holy Magic.
-The other guy is Hubert Ozwell (who has...blue hair apparently). His styles are Double-Blade Artes and Twin Gun Spells.
-And there seems to be something called Hissatsuwaza/Special Moves. I'm assuming they're something like Burst Artes, but these look a bit flashier than those.
-Also, it looks like the game is using the CC (Chain Capacity) system from the Tales of Destiny remake instead of TP or anything.
For those who don't know what it is, in a way, it's sorta like Overlimit in Vesperia, in that you can link any attacks together, even the same one. Except the game is built more heavily around this system, and it works like a stamina bar that limits how much you can attack.
Certain actions consume certain amounts of CC. Stuff like a normal attack, backstepping, and a double jump uses 1 CC, while a character's most powerful attacks use, say, 6 CC. Once you run out of CC, or stop attacking for whatever reason, by resting for a second or two you refill your CC gauge. When you start off a fight you don't have maximum CC, but when it recharges, you gain a little more until you reach that character's maximum amount, then it restarts and goes back to the minimum, until you build it back up again and so on.
It gets deeper as you progress and get more CC and a bigger movelist. It's arguably the fastest and most combo-efficient system used in a Tales game to date. I'm sure this will be making a few changes/additions, but I'm guessing the core of the system is still intact.
It might sound a little convoluted when someone explains it to you through words, but it's actually one of the more user-friendly systems in the series.
Versus
I admit I didn't take a long look, but I don't think it has anything that wasn't already in Jump last week?
Firestorm said:
I've played around with it with a friend, but never got my own copy yet.
Is this new?Rpgmonkey said:
2d fighting mini-game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOLI9tdzGsA
Versus website updates very frecuently with videos.
Urban Scholar
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Rpgmonkey said:
Thanks for the info as always man, good stuff.
Hehe, my account is finally activated just after the ToV demo comes out
I certainly hope the PS3 port is released outside of Japan, and that the new content for the PS3 version has been translated some form in the game seems to imply that.
I do think out of the three games announced, Tales of VS will probably have the biggest chance of staying Japan-only. Namco seems to hate Tales games on handhelds everywhere outside of Japan, hence why we barely get any of the games released on those devices.
I certainly hope the PS3 port is released outside of Japan, and that the new content for the PS3 version has been translated some form in the game seems to imply that.
I do think out of the three games announced, Tales of VS will probably have the biggest chance of staying Japan-only. Namco seems to hate Tales games on handhelds everywhere outside of Japan, hence why we barely get any of the games released on those devices.
Battling as Senel looks pretty cool : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjknrLd6uV8
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjknrLd6uV8Traitor to Heaven
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Is the cc system like the mp system in SO3?
Loved the EG system in Tales of Hearts. Loving the CC system in ToD: DC. Nice to hear that a similar system will be in place in Graces. Will this be the debut of such a system in a 3D title?
Both the CC system and the TP system have their own positives and negatives, and I'd hate to see either vanish completely, but IMO the CC system tends to make things more flexible and interesting. And seeing it in Graces makes me wonder whether other elements similar to Hearts/DestinyRemake will be showing up in Graces as well. (Those two games have a lot of interesting elements in common...)
Incidentally, for those who haven't played a CC/EG-system game, I think the biggest negative of those battle systems is that they take the focus away from standard attacks. In a TP-based battle system, because of the rigid way combos progress, pretty much all combos tend to revolve around a number of standard attacks followed by Artes. In CC-system games, though, there's no need to include standard attacks in your combos at all, since you can make long combos of Artes in whatever order you like (it's a very single-attack-spamming-friendly system =p), and including standard attacks just reduces the number of Artes you can include. I'd be interested to see a hybrid system in which a few standard attacks can be included in a combo without using up any CC. (Another thing about these systems, though, is that your standard attacks are even more spammable if you do feel like using them, since they take up a single unit of your gauge... so you can end up performing combos of stupid numbers of standard attacks in a row if you feel like it ><)
Both the CC system and the TP system have their own positives and negatives, and I'd hate to see either vanish completely, but IMO the CC system tends to make things more flexible and interesting. And seeing it in Graces makes me wonder whether other elements similar to Hearts/DestinyRemake will be showing up in Graces as well. (Those two games have a lot of interesting elements in common...)
Incidentally, for those who haven't played a CC/EG-system game, I think the biggest negative of those battle systems is that they take the focus away from standard attacks. In a TP-based battle system, because of the rigid way combos progress, pretty much all combos tend to revolve around a number of standard attacks followed by Artes. In CC-system games, though, there's no need to include standard attacks in your combos at all, since you can make long combos of Artes in whatever order you like (it's a very single-attack-spamming-friendly system =p), and including standard attacks just reduces the number of Artes you can include. I'd be interested to see a hybrid system in which a few standard attacks can be included in a combo without using up any CC. (Another thing about these systems, though, is that your standard attacks are even more spammable if you do feel like using them, since they take up a single unit of your gauge... so you can end up performing combos of stupid numbers of standard attacks in a row if you feel like it ><)
Spiegel said:
Haven't payed much attention to VS, so I don't really know.
In a way, that minigame seems more fun than the main game...
Also, it seems the characters in the minigame really isn't equivalent to the ones you can use the main game. It seems you can use almost all the playable characters from all the games there, while the main game narrows down the list.
Traitor to Heaven said:
Not really. It's more like the Fury gauge in a way I guess.
I actually found the perfect video to show what CC is like. It's not spoiler heavy and it shows off the way you can mix up attacks and how it keeps the action pretty much non-stop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOtqyjfq-Iw
Assuming Graces will keep the same speed and amount of stuff on screen as ToDr does, this is what a battle in Graces will probably look like once you have a full party and a good amount of attacks in your arsenal.
cnet128 said:
Yeah, the way they're built does move the combat a little more towards using artes than normal attacks.
Though it seems they've realized that the CC/EG system causes that to happen, so it looks like they scrapped the "attack button", and instead just made one button for one type of arte and a second button for the other type, and normal attacks are just mixed inbetween your artes.
Traitor to Heaven
Neo Member
Alright it makes more sense after watching that video.
Also those battles look awesome, I can see Graces being great if it is transferred over properly.
Also those battles look awesome, I can see Graces being great if it is transferred over properly.
Magicpaint
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Which isn't really a bad thing, imo.
Graces sounds awesome and glad the CC system is making a debut in a 3D Tales.
Interesting to see CC making its way back again. Leaves me a bit mixed especially after playing Hearts tho. Yes, it does mean you can link anything and create any type of combo chain, but it also means it's an extremely spammy system. IE: One of the most popular overused moves in Hearts was Shing's Seijinzeppa. You'd just use it over and over....without much consequence. I personally liked where they were going with Destiny 2 and Rebirth in terms of near or non TP battle systems.
gregor7777
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I wonder if Namco realizes that if they bring ToV PS3 over here to the States that I'll likely buy a copy for Sixty American Dollars plus local sales tax.
If that would sway their decision in any way I'd be happy to write them a quick letter informing them of this fact.
If that would sway their decision in any way I'd be happy to write them a quick letter informing them of this fact.
Magicpaint
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I thought Hearts actually balanced the system a bit better in the sense that the enemies would damage break your chained attacks. In a way, it did limit combos. It also helped that enemies were extremely aggressive so it took some doing to actually spam successfully.kiryogi said:
I will be interesting to see how they limit things with Graces. In Hearts, the EG was far too generous which made spamming too easy; maybe they ought to go back to the CC system but in a much stricter sense.
Destiny 2 had the right idea, but was a bit too restrictive in the way the CC/EG system was a bit too free. I think of all the Team Destiny games, Rebirth struck the best balance and remains my favourite.
A nicovideo user put up a slow motion video of all battle scenes released so far, making it easier to see the types of attacks. The sequence is repeated in real time at the end, making the actual battle speed the more visible:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7442433
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7442433
I disagree with the knock on the CC system. While it's true you'll end up forsaking regular attacks once you advance further in Destiny remake in favor of arte-only oriented combos, the CC system truly defined what an Action RPG was for me. There's more combo potential and variation in Destiny remake than say the standard regular attack -> base arte -> arcane arte combo you're limited in Abyss although Vesperia improved on Abyss. How does spamming artes in Destiny remake any different from than doing so in Vesperia?
And Destiny remake has the best block mechanic imo.
Tales of Destiny remake combo video No spoilers besides knowing what characters you could control.
And Destiny remake has the best block mechanic imo.
Tales of Destiny remake combo video No spoilers besides knowing what characters you could control.
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