Playing games, being okay at games, and making them aren't correlated
To me, a tutorial can absolutely take place in the game world. In Twilight Princess, you are frequently told what to do and how to do it ("press A to blah blah"). It's not that it's linear that makes it a tutorial. That said, I don't mind tutorials in general as long as they're well implemented (take one step at a time and let you actually perform that step rather than a massive infodump). The village opening in Twilight Princess is probably my favorite part of the game simply because I enjoyed the chill atmosphere. (Not so much a fan of the first temple, though.)
It's quite possible to enjoy something while not enjoying all aspects of it. I generally hate RPGs due to combat, leveling and inventory management but I like Fragile Dreams. I really enjoyed its atmosphere. I still disliked the RPG aspects of it.
Mostly programming but he has a few others, like Prey and Horizon: Zero Dawn.
Lol what are you talking about? I've been the one arguing for people to challenge their own perceptions through scrutiny. The comment was about valid CRITCISM, NOT opinion. Seriously read any of my previous posts I won't bother restating why I already have.
When it comes to shrines and tower puzzles I sure would like to hear his thought on the matter. That my point I'm not saying you have to agree with the guy on everything. Listen to what he says and think critically about his thought and experiences on the matter and compare them to your own. Like I said I don't care what he has to say about the open world or combat but he has valid criticism about the puzzles and some of the abilities that are a part of that as well. Like is their really no way to rotate a magnetized item? You should be fighting the puzzle not the controls. It went from trying to put a piece in place to fighting controls and player movement to get it to work.
Almost anything can warrant a thread. This isn't some random guy playing and criticizing Breath of the Wild. This is a dude who's made two incredibly popular puzzle games and has given a ton of presentations regarding video game development.
Eww, YouTube video with clickbait title that he almost immediately contradicts. Only watched a bit of it, but he seemed to actually really like the game. Got to where he compares it to Dark Souls, and he doesn't seem to get that it's kind of trying to be a Metroidvania type game, but instead of progression being locked behind abilities like double jump, it's locked behind your ability to solve a certain type of puzzle.
I'm not really surprised he has this attitude. I liked Braid and have heard good things about The Witness, but he himself has a very dismissive attitude towards anything that he didn't make himself.
This thread is fucking unreal.
Sorry guys had a large post addressing you both, then my phone died and erased it. Going to sit down to have dinner with the wife so I'll leave you guys with this. The fact that you can sit here and communicate about this without souding like the others is clear that I was not speaking to you when I said man babies if it offended you. It was clearly not meant for you. I appreciate being able to have this conversation, it's rare with all the passion in here.