Iva Demilcol
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TBH I thought that Jim would make a video of the YT drama surrounding some Youtubers getting too comfortable with the alt-right.
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Why Horizon Zero Dawn's Success is Good(No matter who you are) - Jimquisition
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Tal Shiar Agent
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I mean, what do you expect when you give one line bashing a game? How much a person played is important context. If they just dicked around in the Embrace for half an hour or never left the Sacred Lands that's important context.
What does this mean? Is that not how most open worlds work?
Really? You're making references to alt-right bullshit movements?
If it's similiar to how Splatoon performed then maybe ARMS.
Rockandrollclown
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Game does look awesome. I look forward to picking it up on sale down the line. I probably would have been there day one if it didn't launch in such close proximity to Zelda.
psychowave
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I was hoping for that. I hope he still makes it next week or something.
so now it's "you've never played the game" to "Well, he probably never left the Sacred Lands"
Keep moving those goal posts, chief.
JetSetRadio
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It's good for me cause I'll get dlc and a sequel.
AtomicShroom
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Was that a JonTron jab at the end? If so, brutal!
Some people take opinions/questions way to personal here. Wich is probably one of the things why the Zelda vs Horizon stuff even exists (not saying it originated on gaf btw! It was on Gamefaqs and Reddit before already).
"Horizon Zero Dawn is ranked in the top 1.7% of games scored on OpenCritic
Based on 88 scored reviews, 93 reviews total."
You should've just said you're a joke character, would've saved time.
I did not think the sides quest were that good (besides a few cool ones) but I did not mind doing all of them because they had more combat. I do want them to improve for the sequel though.
I was really glad to see that Horizon is doing well from a sales perspective. Not only because it's a great game that is more than just another take on the Ubisoft template (which I was getting really tired of) but because Aloy is a great female character in a game that generally features an extremely diverse cast. In a world where companies are still afraid to put out games like that because they fear that the target audience won't be interested (like it was the case with this game at first), I'd say it's a positive message that Horizon is indeed selling as well as it is.
Ow, the edge.
Ow, the edge.
Fair enough. Anything involving humans as enemies was very weak, in part because combat (in particular melee combat) against them was really unsatisfying and in part because the stealth gameplay had the depth of a puddle and absolutely no balance.
That said, I didn't run into more than a couple of invisible walls and only after really stretching the limits of where I could go. I found Aloy's movement to be pretty smooth and well suited to the world, and I probably climbed more with regular jumping than using colored edges.
I did find that the world felt a bit barren content wise though. There are many town and settlements and fortresses and great looking set pieces, but they're populated by non-interactive NPCs (aside from generic vendors) and except for a few instances where there was a single sidequest involving the town/settlement/fortress/etc. they were mostly dead. It felt like a real waste of such a beautiful and natural feeling world.
MrPhiliasfrog
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Knowing Jim, there will be a video on this and I can't wait for it.
Nocturno999
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Dude keeps killing his credibility at a record pace. A shame.
SomedayTheFire
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Jawbreaker
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Did you watch the video? Your post doesn't read like you did.
Ultimadrago
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I hope Jim didn't get too much trouble from readers foaming at the mouth for his Zelda BotW review. I'm closer to agreeing with his review I read (while I'd give the title a bit more credit) than the "10/10 Closest thing to Perfection!" statements.
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They meant that most open world games are like Horizon in that they have linear main story quests that have to be done in order etc. Vs. Zelda that once you're out of the tutorial you can literally go straight to the final boss, can do any of the story quests in any order. The only gating at all I can think of is needing a certain amount of health to get a certain weapon.
Personally, I prefer the linear narrative as it allows for a strong story. You never get a strong narrative, IMO, in games that are open as it's just not worth putting the resources into telling one if people can skip huge parts of it, do it in any order which messes up the story telling etc. Others don't care about stories in games and prefer the freedom.
You mean like how Jim sounds like he never left the Plateau in BOTW? (See how I tool your flawed logic and applied elsewhere?)
You always do it "have you even played the game?" "Did you even watch the video", every single week
Conkerkid11
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Surprised this thread made it further than the other one.
Critically acclaimed != well received
He was looking for trouble. That's why he's now on his like 4th or 5th video about the subject.
GankzyMcfly
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Why is it that some JS video threads get locked while others don't? The conversation seems pretty much the same in most threads....some people think its spot on while others disagree...im genuinely curious as its just something ive noticed over the course of the last few months....modbots response is kind of unclear...is it trying to suggest that all JS video threads result in "garbage threads" and if so why aren't they always closed if this is the case....
He is fine, he has pretty good arguments in every video, this included.
However, I can agree his "character" may be putting people off, but you can skip the intro if you want.
(I know I do)
By your logic, no single game has ever been well received. That makes no sense.
Lanrutcon
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No, actually the last thread was locked because people can't fucking talk about the actual video without getting triggered by the word "Zelda".
Like yourself for example.
The yt comments on this video frustrate me to no end. Just a bunch of dudes yelling back "but I don't care about the gender of the character??????? who cares if the game stars a man or a woman????"
It does matter that it's a woman and Jim literally explains why this game is making a difference aka proving the developer excuse "women don't sell" wrong and that we should have more female led games. Ugh.
It does matter that it's a woman and Jim literally explains why this game is making a difference aka proving the developer excuse "women don't sell" wrong and that we should have more female led games. Ugh.
Yes, I did. I don't see how me not talking about Horizon specifically, just repeating the video's words, makes me anything close to an alt-righter discussing race issues.
Tal Shiar Agent
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It's not flawed, if they didn't play or didn't play past the tutorial how could they speak in good faith to the quality of the game?
Actually that is =.
MegaSackman
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Is the video about diversity in games? Not watching it but if it's about dlc and all that jazz then it's a pointless unoportunistic and convenient video. This is not the first time a game releases in a complete state without dlc and stuff.
Conkerkid11
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Dunno why you guys are clinging onto that portion of my post anyways. I said I didn't like the game. That's it. It's neat that it was successful, but let's not pretend new IP is some endangered species.
WhiskerFrisker
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Who wasn't it well received by?
Bullshit. You said it wasn't well received and now you're backpedaling?
wapplew
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Arms going to be one of the greats, I can feel it.
Also savor it all GG, your IP only can be new once, next one will be tired sequel, rehash idea, unoriginal, risk averse, adverage AAA games./s
But that means also mean that stuff like Zelda and Nier aren't well received as well if that the case.
In what universe is a 89 not well received
SomedayTheFire
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You're really really struggling with basic concepts and comprehension.
So it's not about sales and it's not about critics. What is it about then? Literally every person I've talked to that has played the game likes it a great deal. I don't know what your metrics are really.
Primethius
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"Alot of people didn't receive it well"
Literally applies to every game and is impractical to prove. So what?
Jawbreaker
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Then you weren't paying attention. What do those games have to do with all the positives Jim brings up regarding Horizon?
Conkerkid11
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Gee, Jim's video must be great if this is all you guys want to discuss.
I just didn't like the game. That's it. Why are you clinging onto this.
WrenchNinja
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He's not calling you an alt-righter, he's saying you're trying to change the subject like one. Instead of talking about Horizon, you try to shift gears to other games, this is also after laying into Jim again about Zelda.
It objectively received well critically(89 metascore)
The "A lot of people didn't receive it" can be said about the highest rated games in existence. It doesn't mean it isn't generally well received.
killatopak
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I'm sure if we can just keep discussion on point and not fuel pointless battles, we would all benefit from it. The things in the video is larger than two games being compared. It encompasses the whole industry and even social norms.
TacosNSalsa
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How spoilery is this? I just made it to
. I'm not super sensitive to spoilers but still would like to avoid anything major.
Merdian
I was thinking the same - but I don't think he could tackle the whole subject in a ten minute jimquisition. I dont think the issue has been studied and documented well enough for us to be conclusive as to why the pattern is emerging.
WhiskerFrisker
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Gee, I guess shit-posting should be allowed.
Tal Shiar Agent
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It's about the Supreme quality of Horizon in all aspects and why that it is important it is doing well.
It's very well crafted.
It has a well written women protagonist who isn't sexualized.
It doesn't have microtransactions.
It shipped a complete game with no announced DLC or a season pass.
It's a new IP.
Basically it shattered a bunch of preconceived conventions and notions that have been strangling creativity in games.
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