Iva Demilcol
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As I said I was waiting for it too. I suppose it's easier to talk about Horizon's success and take your time to make a video about more complex topics.
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Why Horizon Zero Dawn's Success is Good(No matter who you are) - Jimquisition
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As I said I was waiting for it too. I suppose it's easier to talk about Horizon's success and take your time to make a video about more complex topics.
It would be nice for him to do it, but the ending is the best we will get. Hopefully he will though.
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He makes three main points really.
1. It's great that it's a new IP that was given a big budget and plenty of time in the oven by a major publisher.
2. It's great that doesn't have microtransactions or season pass like most big budget games these days.
3. And he does mention having a female lead, diversity etc.
Basically, just that it's a good thing for the AAA space that there's a game that is doing so well that just didn't play it safe by being a sequel, having a male (or heavily sexualized female) lead, and being heavily monetized with DLC from day one.
Conkerkid11
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How am I shitposting?
Are you implying that I dislike Horizon because I like Zelda?
Successful new IP isn't an endangered species.
SomedayTheFire
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My man, you tried some bullshit in the first thread by picking apart a very simple to comprehend thing Jim said and tried to make it a thing to beat him with. The video is great, you should watch it without your Zelda tinted glasses.
H.Cornerstone
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Horizon has a 89 on Metacritic. It was received well.
And pretty much agree with the video, great to see a new IP doing well and buck so many trends.
And pretty much agree with the video, great to see a new IP doing well and buck so many trends.
You're posting in a discussion thread about said video so naturally people are going to engage with your posts. That's kind of how this thing works.
Blackquill
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What's the matter about my comment ?
Not much; though Zelda's diversity in its side characters is a great step for Nintendo as a whole.
Why doesn't "Q1 this year has been great for the industry, including Horizon's" have anything to do with the content of the video? I'm adding to the point, yet you think I'm trying to deflect it... for some reason.
Apart from some remarks I don't think he'll touch it.
Bamboo 竹
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But don't you understand that this is what JS wants? Why to put some of those Zelda references that he already discussed on his previous videos? He was the one who wanted to this kind of situation to happen. He wins the attention he wanted by triggering the most sensible fans.
He has been using the Zelda drama as the main topic for two weeks and now he uses it to put some coal to another topic that probably would create more fanboy wars. He knows it and he likes it, it brings attention to him and feed him on some way.
Danis Saur
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I had no idea about this idea of Horizon Zero Dawn being this important.
I agree Jim, this is what we need right now.
I agree Jim, this is what we need right now.
GoldCrusader
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Man Jim likes to add fuel to the Zelda vs Horizon debate for future videos heh?
But yea I agree that a new IP doing well is always good, but I would have just hoped it would be a new IP I care about.
But yea I agree that a new IP doing well is always good, but I would have just hoped it would be a new IP I care about.
Lanrutcon
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Oh please. Took you all of one page in the last thread to start posting about Jim's Zelda review and you think it's unfair. One page. Don't act like you had any intention of sticking to the topic at any point.
Bamboo 竹;232435595 said:
I would not call anyone who's still triggered at this point "sensible". I'm also hoping that this latest video is a step away from the Zelda references, but I get that he's still raw over the abuse.
Conkerkid11
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If Jim can't make a video about Horizon without bringing it up, I can't post in a thread about Jim's video without bringing it up.
lol
SomedayTheFire
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No I'm implying you're shit posting and have no intention of watching the video in an objective manner.
R_thanatos
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this is a video about horizon zero dawn ... what the heck are you talking about
Jarod McChicken
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I'm curious, what do you need exactly to be well received when you get great scores from the press, great sales and those ratings from the owners of the game ?
You claimed it wasn't well received. Which isn't the case. You're free to dislike it. But that doesn't change that it was well received.
And the topic isn't about new ip being endangered species, but doing things better.
Someone brought up Destiny, Division and Watch dogs as examples. But completely ignored that those game are filled with microtransactions. Which is one of the things that JS is talking about in regards to Horizon being important for the industry.
MegaSackman
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Sounds like the only aspect worth making a flag for the rest of the industry. The rest just happens to be quite good as many other games do good stuff.
DLC and that well... it's probably coming but I understand that it refers to a complete game from the get go. Othe games do/did this (the number is small yeah).
The entire video could be about diversity, few to none games have such diversity main and secondary cast as Horizon. The quality business standpoint with Horizon is not that unique.
WhiskerFrisker
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You're stirring the pot by claiming Horizon wasn't well received and you can't even say by whom. Them when you're called out for it, you back off claiming other posters should focus on Jim's video. You're derailing the topic.
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Conkerkid11
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And what about the day one DLC mentioned above that Horizon clearly has?
Kenzodielocke
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He adresses that in the video.
Ocarina_117
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It takes less than a minute for Jim to bring up metabombing of Horizon mentioning it was purely driven by Zelda fans. Ignoring that it goes both ways (even though to a greater extent in the case of zelda given the much greater number of user reviews). Even hints its a great feat the game succeeded in spite of this (amongst other factors).
Lists off games we should be happy to have. Proceeds to mention he 'fucking hates' some of them, focusing on an image of Link from BoTW.
It was a good video, despite it saying nothing new.
But please don't be so shocked Jimquisition threads keep going the same direction if Jim persists to bring up this Zelda topic. He IS baiting at this point, none of the digs needed to be in this video nor did they add anything to it.
Lists off games we should be happy to have. Proceeds to mention he 'fucking hates' some of them, focusing on an image of Link from BoTW.
It was a good video, despite it saying nothing new.
But please don't be so shocked Jimquisition threads keep going the same direction if Jim persists to bring up this Zelda topic. He IS baiting at this point, none of the digs needed to be in this video nor did they add anything to it.
FallingSputnik
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I really liked Horizon, haven't finished it because of Zelda, but open world done right doesn't really fit the game from my experience. The game somehow felt open and claustrophobic at the same time. That feeling is now worse after botw, but I can't wait to go back to it.
Jawbreaker
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Because that's not what the video is specifically about. That's great, and I agree, but it's irrelevant to Jim's points about Horizon.
Cow Goes Moo
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jim addressed that in his video
perfectsil
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What single player game has micro transactions?
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Yep. I already got one week ban recently for complaining about the modding, but honestly if it doesn't improve I'm done with this community anyway.
Far too much just closing threads that get derailed by a few people, rampant shit posting etc. That just causes the problems to continue as the problem members aren't being warned/suspended/banned and has really lowered the level of discourse on here from where it was a couple years back when problem posters got banned much more consistently. I get that it's harder as the site is so huge and active and always growing. If that's the limitation, then they just need to add more mods to stay on top of things, build in a report post feature instead of relying on members to PM a mod (with no knowledge of which mod to PM, who's more active etc.).
Gameplay wise Horizon seems very by the numbers, like the Tomb Raider reboot, but open world. However, the setting is pretty fucking cool (robo dinos), Aloy seems like a much better protagonist than Lara (robot dinos!!) and it has robot dinosaurs. I've heard it does what it does extremely competently though. And if more studios can make successful new IPs that's better than churning out sequel after sequel. I didn't exactly hear glowing things about the last Killzone, but bam, Dev gets to work on something brand new and they suddenly seem to be able to make something relatively fresh and (going by reception) highly enjoyable.
Not that I think that's why he made the video. No I think​ he just really loves Horizon, a lot. To be perfectly honest my first impression was that he did it for "shock value" but I thought about it some and realised how dumb I was.
The amount of backlash is precisely why he needs to talk about a game he loved more. A 7 doesn't make Zelda a bad game. He just had more fun with his other videogame. It doesn't diminish anyone's​ fun with Zelda and the backlash he got was ridiculous. People need to learn to accept different opinions, at the very least with regards to something as inconsequential to their lives as god damn videogames.
Not that I think that's why he made the video. No I think​ he just really loves Horizon, a lot. To be perfectly honest my first impression was that he did it for "shock value" but I thought about it some and realised how dumb I was.
SomedayTheFire
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At least you've admitted you didn't watch the video, finally.
killatopak
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I'm not really seeing the versus in anything. Anybody who says so is already looking for it even when it's not there.
That's incredibly selfish but I can relate somewhat as somewhat who was not able to buy other systems until this gen. The point is, we should be happy something relatively risky like Horizon is successful since they could set precedent a series of games that could be one that you care about.
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Dead Space 3 for one. I'm sure there are more but that's the one that comes to mind immediately.
edit: the new Deus Ex also lets you buy piraxis kits (level up points).
Astral Dog
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This division is why gamers can be so nasty at times
Jim should learn to let go, it's clear that he is milking this subject because he lost ideas for videos, I guess the next one will finally be about another topic, most likely Mass Effect.
Horizon is well executed, however it's not in the same league as Zelda, there's a reason why Breath of the Wild has 58 "perfect" 100 scores at metacritic as of now, something no game achieved before, the 70 from Jim doesn't mean more or less than every single 100 the game got, just opinions. However Zelda shows it has what it takes to appeal to the masses, so it seems to do something right.
That said, I'm glad Sony had the courage to try something completely new and put that much PR effort into the IP to make it a stable in the industry, especially when you know the developer behind it is famous for their Killzone games, I tried hard to like but never really enjoyed as they felt bland and never took risks with the standard FPS formula.
Horizon is well executed, however it's not in the same league as Zelda, there's a reason why Breath of the Wild has 58 "perfect" 100 scores at metacritic as of now, something no game achieved before, the 70 from Jim doesn't mean more or less than every single 100 the game got, just opinions. However Zelda shows it has what it takes to appeal to the masses, so it seems to do something right.
That said, I'm glad Sony had the courage to try something completely new and put that much PR effort into the IP to make it a stable in the industry, especially when you know the developer behind it is famous for their Killzone games, I tried hard to like but never really enjoyed as they felt bland and never took risks with the standard FPS formula.
WhiskerFrisker
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Gameplay against the robots isn'tt really by the numbers though.
wapplew
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On top of my head, Rise of the Tomb Raider. Mankind divided.
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DecoReturns
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Why would you need Micro-transactions for a single-player game?
What would they even be?
What would they even be?
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Very true. That's just a matter of preference.
I do love Zelda, but I prefer smaller open worlds that are more packed with content I want to engage with. I get bored just exploring and traversing. That's just me though, and I prefer linear games to open world ones most of the time anyway.
Conkerkid11
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Damn, you caught me. How's he justify it?
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