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efyu_lemonardo
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(04-19-2017, 10:56 AM)
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awesome thread! Three games that fit into the categories in the OP (in this order):

SpyCraft: The Great Game


Nitronic Rush/Distance

Gish




Another odd category:
Games played without a screen:

* Johan Sebastian Joust

* 1 2 Switch

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mclem
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(04-19-2017, 11:19 AM)
I'd add The Armageddon Man to the 'cold war sims' category.



Originally Posted by More_Badass

I guess Spacechem and its ilk are another, the puzzler that seems like it's about some other theme but is really secretly about programming. The idea is that it can't actually feature coding (so TIS is out), but the mechanics are actually abstracted programming functions

There's another (Flash) game that's kind of like a 2D infinifactory although the goal is rearranging data, but I can't recall the name of it right now. *Might* be a Zach Barth title, not sure. I'll see if I can find out what it was.

Edit: Manufactoria.
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KonradLaw
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(04-19-2017, 11:30 AM)
The Commadoes series-style strategy games that's more like stealth puzzle games than RTS-es.

Other examples:
Desperados

Robin Hood: The Legend of Sherwood

And most recently Shadow Tactics

KonradLaw
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(04-19-2017, 11:31 AM)

Originally Posted by jdstorm

Any Turn based 2D fighters?

There's a 3D one called Toribash

Banzai
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(04-19-2017, 11:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by Napalm_Frank

Crash Team Racing remaster with online is gonna happen and it's gonna be the best game ever made.

I will be THERE. This right here is the biggest reason I'm buying the Crash remakes and encouraging my friends to do the same.

Honestly, just take the ps1 game and slap online mp on it and I'd hand you a blank check.
maxcriden
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(04-19-2017, 11:44 AM)
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Originally Posted by Wozman23

First Person Shooters Where You Shoot Something Other Than Bullets:

Platformers with No Legs or No Jumping:

Might the Metroid Prime and Captain Toad games, respectively, count for these categories? The character does have feet, but no legs.
capitalCORN
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(04-19-2017, 11:58 AM)

Originally Posted by Phediuk

90s PC action-adventure games where the appeal lies mostly in laughing at the contrast between the games' ridiculously low-poly character models and their extremely self-serious plot and setting

You mean Resident Evil Progenitors?
Phediuk
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(04-19-2017, 12:44 PM)

Originally Posted by KonradLaw

There's a 3D one called Toribash

Which is itself part of the coveted fighting games where the characters are made up of smaller geometric shapes microgenre.

Joy Mech Fight


Ballz 3D


Toribash

vonStirlitz
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(04-19-2017, 12:47 PM)
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Man, Balance of Power and Defcon were great. Although the latter was more like a WOPR simulator from the film Wargames.
PantsuJo
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(04-19-2017, 12:48 PM)
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Breakdown on OG Xbox was so good.

Bad controls but interesting game, indeed.
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(04-19-2017, 12:51 PM)
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Souls games
UncleSporky
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(04-19-2017, 12:56 PM)

Originally Posted by Skyzard

How many games like Mario Kart are there that are good?

Sonic Racing Transformed, Blur and BlazeRush.

Modnation would have been good if the framerate was better on the cool levels you could download and the loading times weren't so bad.

And that's it.

Maybe CTR if we're going way back.

Chocobo Racing on PS1 was incredible. Loved that game, put many hours into it.

The coolest thing was that powerups were Final Fantasy spells, and every time you picked up the same spell it became more powerful - 1 ice left a little slippery spot on the track (like a MK banana), 2 ice left a group of slippery spots, and 3 ice immediately hit every racer and made them slip and spin out. It was a balance of powering up your attacks vs. using them more often.

Plus all the areas inspired by past Final Fantasies, all the music remixes from them, and once you beat the story mode you could create your own racer by editing the palette of existing ones, name them, and spend stat points that you had earned based on your performance.

So good.
gelf
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(04-19-2017, 01:01 PM)
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I don't think what I would call Flying Rail Shooters have many examples. And most of that do exist come from the same company. Anyone feel free to correct me with more examples as I love the genre. Basically rail shooters where your controlling a flying object on a somewhat set path(maybe with optional routes) but unlike standard rail shooters(e.g Virtua Cop, Time Crisis) this flight means your more free to dodge oncoming fire.

Space Harrier


Afterburner

Panzer Dragoon


Star Fox
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UncleSporky
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(04-19-2017, 01:08 PM)

Originally Posted by PooBone

Mansion games:
Games that take place primarily exploring one house.

Maniac Mansion


Resident Evil 1 (and 7 to some extent)


Gone Home



Please name some others, I tend to love them.

If you like exploring a creepy mansion, you should look for a translation of Sweet Home, a NES RPG/environment puzzler that was one of the first survival horror games and directly inspired Resident Evil in a lot of ways.





It's about five ordinary people, each with different skills, who are visiting a mansion to examine the art/frescoes there, and get trapped inside.
Blizniak
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(04-19-2017, 01:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Stumpokapow

Games that are like part RPG, part text adventure, part simulation, part kingdom manager.

Oregon Trail

King of Dragon Pass

7 Grand Steps

Hero of the Kingdom

Crusader kings kind of fits this as well.
Phediuk
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(04-19-2017, 01:20 PM)
Fantasy-themed turn-based strategy games that are actually just a pre-existing strategy game with a fantasy skin

Master of Monsters (Daisenryaku)

Gemfire (Romance of the Three Kingdoms)

Master of Magic (Master of Orion)

Fantasy General (Panzer General)

mclem
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(04-19-2017, 01:23 PM)

Originally Posted by Wozman23

Platformers with No Legs or No Jumping:

YMMV whether this counts, but I think I'd argue for Ricochet on this one.



SPRAT - that red blob - doesn't have legs, for one thing, but while he rolls around on the horizontal plane, he also doesn't *exactly* jump; instead, you gain height by compressing yourself into the ground (and the length of the keypress determines exactly how much) before releasing, at which point you're entirely at the mercy of the physics engine (such that it is!) until you come to a halt, rebounding off surfaces in a variety of ways.

I guess thinking of jumping as a simplified 2D golf would fit the bill?
Last edited by mclem; 04-19-2017 at 01:25 PM.
Phediuk
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(04-19-2017, 01:24 PM)

Originally Posted by gelf

I don't think what I would call Flying Rail Shooters have many examples. And most of that do exist come from the same company. Anyone feel free to correct me with more examples as I love the genre. Basically rail shooters where your controlling a flying object on a somewhat set path(maybe with optional routes) but unlike standard rail shooters(e.g Virtua Cop, Time Crisis) this flight means your more free to dodge oncoming fire.

Space Harrier


Afterburner


Panzer Dragoon


Star Fox

There's also Vanark, Microcosm, Solvalou, Galaxian 3, Galaxy Force, Total Eclipse Turbo, Novastorm, and the Yar's Revenge remake. Omega Boost might also fit, but there's slightly more freedom of movement in that.

Not that small of a genre tbqh.
ichtyander
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(04-19-2017, 01:30 PM)
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OP has a tendency for creating awesome threads like this one, good stuff. :)

How about Oldschool Sci-fi Realtime 3D First Person Open World-ish Walking Simulator Puzzle Action Adventures Running at 5 FPS:

Mercenary (1985):


Damocles: Mercenary II (1990):


Mercenary III: The Dion Crisis (1991):


The Colony (1988):


Driller/Space Station Oblivion (1987):


Dark Side (1988):


Total Eclipse (1989):


Castle Master (1990):


Galactic Empire (1990):


A.G.E. - Advanced Galactic Empire (1991):


Infestation (1990):


Cybercon III (1991):
Phediuk
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(04-19-2017, 01:31 PM)
Side-scrollers where you play as the ED-209

Eggy

Metal Mech

Walker

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Phediuk
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(04-19-2017, 01:35 PM)

Originally Posted by ichtyander

OP has a tendency for creating awesome threads like this one, good stuff. :)

How about Oldschool Sci-fi Realtime 3D First Person Open World-ish Walking Simulator Puzzle Action Adventures Running at 5 FPS:

Mercenary (1985):


Damocles: Mercenary II (1990):


Mercenary III: The Dion Crisis (1991):


The Colony (1988):


Driller/Space Station Oblivion (1987):


Dark Side (1988):


Total Eclipse (1989):


Castle Master (1990):


Galactic Empire (1990):


A.G.E. - Advanced Galactic Empire (1991):


Infestation (1990):


Cybercon III (1991):

You forgot Midwinter.

And its sequel, Flames of Freedom:

Rygar 8 Bit
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(04-19-2017, 01:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by PooBone

Mansion games:
Games that take place primarily exploring one house.

Maniac Mansion


Resident Evil 1 (and 7 to some extent)


Gone Home




Please name some others, I tend to love them.


uninvited and 7th guest are awesome adventure games





heckmanimation
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(04-19-2017, 01:41 PM)
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Adventure strategy rpg - shining force series,

Kingdom Sim strategy rpg - heroes of might and magic series
Aaron D.
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(04-19-2017, 01:45 PM)
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Terminal-Based Hacking/Coding Games


Uplink


Hacknet


Duskers


TIS-100


hackmud


Her Story

Izuna
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(04-19-2017, 01:50 PM)
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Skyroads is an incredible game btw

Originally Posted by Phediuk

There's also Vanark, Microcosm, Solvalou, Galaxian 3, Galaxy Force, Total Eclipse Turbo, Novastorm, and the Yar's Revenge remake. Omega Boost might also fit, but there's slightly more freedom of movement in that.

Not that small of a genre tbqh.

Crimson Dragon, Rex, Child of Eden...

There are a few VR games like it too
mclem
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(04-19-2017, 01:52 PM)

Originally Posted by ichtyander

How about Oldschool Sci-fi Realtime 3D First Person Open World-ish Walking Simulator Puzzle Action Adventures Running at 5 FPS:

Mercenary (1985):
Damocles: Mercenary II (1990):
Mercenary III: The Dion Crisis (1991):

Driller/Space Station Oblivion (1987):
Dark Side (1988):
Total Eclipse (1989):
Castle Master (1990):

I'm not sure I'd put the Freescape games in quite the same category as the Mercenary ones, Mercenary's a lot more freeform. And also the framerate was a bit better!

Not familiar with the others on the list, I'll have to look out for them.
ichtyander
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(04-19-2017, 01:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by Phediuk

You forgot Midwinter. And its sequel, Flames of Freedom:

You're absolutely right, there are probably a few more I missed, but the Midwinter games were indeed a big omission, although they might be a bit more broad in certain aspects, so then you might add stuff like Armour-Geddon to the mix as well, or Tau-Ceti III. I suppose back then genres weren't as defined as today (especially in the 3D realm), so a lot of early first person titles with adventure elements relied on the more arcadey and often vehicle-based stuff inspired by Battlezone and onward, while the "adventure" elements were mostly built around item-based puzzles and orientation.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by mclem

I'm not sure I'd put the Freescape games in quite the same category as the Mercenary ones, Mercenary's a lot more freeform. And also the framerate was a bit better!

Not familiar with the others on the list, I'll have to look out for them.

Depending on where you played them, I rocked that shit on the C64. :)

You're right though, the Freescape games are much more linear and puzzle/objective driven while the Mercenary games are their own thing really, one branch of predecessors of modern open world games, the first Mercenary maybe being a closer ancestor to Bethesda's The Terminator from 1990 and so on. Realtime 3D first person "on foot" games were quite the novelty back then, so I kinda think the lines were a bit more blurry, sharing some "adventure" elements like holding items or orientation and finding a location/object in 3D space.
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capitalCORN
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(04-19-2017, 01:55 PM)
BBS door games.

Legend of Red Dragon:



Usurper:

RionaaM
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(04-19-2017, 01:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by Stumpokapow

Platformer Racing

Sonic 2 Multiplayer Mode

Kirby Gourmet Race

Raskulls

Speedrunners

Runbow

You forgot Jazz Jackrabbit 2, aka the best 2D platformer of all time! There's a race mode, and it supports up to 4 players in split screen.



Originally Posted by Phediuk

And Doom RPG is a turn-based FPS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT6aiCWCnCU

I loved that game back when I had a Nokia 5200. It had some funny parts too, which was strange to see in a Doom game.

Originally Posted by gelf

I don't think what I would call Flying Rail Shooters have many examples. And most of that do exist come from the same company. Anyone feel free to correct me with more examples as I love the genre. Basically rail shooters where your controlling a flying object on a somewhat set path(maybe with optional routes) but unlike standard rail shooters(e.g Virtua Cop, Time Crisis) this flight means your more free to dodge oncoming fire.

Space Harrier

Afterburner

Panzer Dragoon

Star Fox

I'll add Kid Icarus: Uprising to your list. The first half of each level is a flying on-rails sequence.



Originally Posted by Glowsquid

PS1-era first-person shooters set in some sort of hovering vehicle

Blam! Machine Head

Tunnel B1

Defiance

Shadow Master

Does B-Hunter count? It has an optional first person camera.



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‹bermatik
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Originally Posted by Glowsquid

PS1-era first-person shooters set in some sort of hovering vehicle

Blam! Machine Head

Blam! was fucking great. Played the PC version though.
ugly
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(04-19-2017, 01:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by WiiRevolution1

What I like to call "The RPG Maker Horror" Genre.

They are not RPGs, but top down horror games created in RPG Maker. Basically:

Don't forget Kio's Adventure! Eh hehe heh heh...
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(04-19-2017, 02:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Aaron D.

Terminal-Based Hacking/Coding Games

Also Mainlining



Demo Link
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Phediuk
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(04-19-2017, 02:04 PM)
Overhead-view open-world-y pirate sims

Sid Meier's Pirates

Sea Legends

Uncharted Waters

Corsairs: Conquest at Sea

Tortuga: Pirates of the New World

Port Royale

ichtyander
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Originally Posted by Aaron D.

Terminal-Based Hacking/Coding Games

Also Street Hacker, used to play this quite a bit, had some nasty game breaking bugs though.

Platy
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Originally Posted by gelf

I don't think what I would call Flying Rail Shooters have many examples. And most of that do exist come from the same company. Anyone feel free to correct me with more examples as I love the genre. Basically rail shooters where your controlling a flying object on a somewhat set path(maybe with optional routes) but unlike standard rail shooters(e.g Virtua Cop, Time Crisis) this flight means your more free to dodge oncoming fire.

Originally Posted by Phediuk

There's also Vanark, Microcosm, Solvalou, Galaxian 3, Galaxy Force, Total Eclipse Turbo, Novastorm, and the Yar's Revenge remake. Omega Boost might also fit, but there's slightly more freedom of movement in that.

Not that small of a genre tbqh.

Originally Posted by RionaaM

I'll add Kid Icarus: Uprising to your list. The first half of each level is a flying on-rails sequence.

I can't believe nobody mentioned Sin & Punishment, specialy considering how PERFECT was Sin & Punishment 2 with pointer controls
Mousnis
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(04-19-2017, 02:06 PM)
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Dungeon Keeper.

The only other game that plays like it is the sequel and another game called Evil Genius (i think)
UncleSporky
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(04-19-2017, 02:10 PM)

Originally Posted by Mousnis

Dungeon Keeper.

The only other game that plays like it is the sequel and another game called Evil Genius (i think)

If you include Evil Genius, that starts getting within range of Dwarf Fortress, Rimworld, Prison Architect, Gnomoria, and other DF imitators.

The define-areas-to-dig-out-and-furnish-and-watch-your-population-follow-orders genre.
RubberJohnny
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(04-19-2017, 02:10 PM)
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Earthbound/Mother-Likes

Retro pixel-art RPGs with turn based combat but very unique and offbeat settings, soundtracks with lots of sampling, plots with humour and tonal shifts.

Undertale

LISA

Space Funeral

OMORI

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Aaron D.
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Originally Posted by Phediuk

And Doom RPG is a turn-based FPS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT6aiCWCnCU

Originally Posted by RionaaM

I loved that game back when I had a Nokia 5200. It had some funny parts too, which was strange to see in a Doom game.



Doom II RPG is still on iOS. It's really great.

There used to be a version of Wolfenstein RPG, but it got taken down for some reason.
Phediuk
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(04-19-2017, 02:12 PM)
Golf games with a combat element

Ninja Golf

Outlaw Golf

Aqua Teen Hunger Force Zombie Ninja Pro-Am

Phediuk
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(04-19-2017, 02:14 PM)

Originally Posted by RubberJohnny

Earthbound/Mother-Likes

Retro pixel-art RPGs with turn based combat but very unique and offbeat settings, soundtracks with lots of sampling, plots with humour and tonal shifts.

Undertale



LISA



Space Funeral



OMORI

And Contact for the DS, and Moon for PS1.
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mclem
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(04-19-2017, 02:16 PM)

Originally Posted by ichtyander

Also Street Hacker, used to play this quite a bit, had some nasty game breaking bugs though.


...why would a hacker want a 3D card? It's all about those ASCII terminals!

Assuming those are 'future specs' (in the context of when it was released), it's interesting to see that they're about right in a number of ways.
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(04-19-2017, 02:19 PM)
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I love you OP! When I was a little kid we had a PC which had Skyroads on it and I had no idea what the game's name was and always wondered about it because I wanted to play it again!
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Originally Posted by RubberJohnny

Earthbound/Mother-Likes

Retro pixel-art RPGs with turn based combat but very unique and offbeat settings, soundtracks with lots of sampling, plots with humour and tonal shifts.

Undertale



LISA



Space Funeral



OMORI

There's also OFF.
Wowfunhappy
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(04-19-2017, 02:32 PM)
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Arena Platformer: A platformer that takes place on a single or small set of screens with a heavy emphasis on fighting.

Smash Brothers, Towerfall Ascension, Super Crate Box
Dragonslayer_023
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(04-19-2017, 02:48 PM)
The Falling Object Collectathon

Boulderdash

Boulderbash

Supaplex

Infotron

Glowsquid
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(04-19-2017, 03:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by ‹bermatik

Blam! was fucking great. Played the PC version though.


Yeah! It's a surprisingly good game. Sick soundtrack too.

3D platformer racers

Sonic R



Pen Pen Trilcelon



Rayman Arena (aka Rayman M and Rayman Rush)



Mad Dash Racing (fun fax: this was Gex's last appearance...)

vonStirlitz
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(04-19-2017, 03:26 PM)
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What about motion video based games, like Night Trap or Her Story?

Sorry, no pictures to post, as I am not technically gifted.
Glowsquid
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(04-19-2017, 03:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by jdstorm

Any Turn based 2D fighters?

Hybrid Heaven is a turn-based wrestling game. Close enough?
Rygar 8 Bit
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(04-19-2017, 03:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by vonStirlitz

What about motion video based games, like Night Trap or Her Story?

Sorry, no pictures to post, as I am not technically gifted.

fmv games theres a shit load of those

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