LJ11 said:There is no way MS enters the Holiday '07 at the same price point they entered in '05.
They aren't. They're going in at a higher price point, actually.
LJ11 said:There is no way MS enters the Holiday '07 at the same price point they entered in '05.
Phoenix Down said:Oblivion dident take full advantage of the HDD on the 360.. but it did on the Ps3... which is why the load times are much faster.... you really need to ask around.. and read that interview
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=163233
sure the 360 isent giving them trouble
fixed.Borys said:QFT
Do it Microsoft, DO IT, and fix that little nagging hardware quality problem, and ascend from the pitiful 150K/ month to 2M/ month.
Legendary threads would follow soon :lol
Phoenix Down said:
He continued, "To be honest with you we haven't solved all those riddles yet." The difficulties aren't limited to working on Microsoft's box, as Houser explains that "both have enormous challenges" and that "both have their own particular pleasures and pains".
Phoenix Down said:i honestly can care Less... I have both console... but im going to purchase it on Ps3.. I really have a gut feeling it will run alot smoother..
Agent Icebeezy said:Why haven't we seen the PS3 version then?
Smokey Bones said:I don't think a price drop on the 360 will hit until next spring at the earliest. I have my doubts that it will hit this fall, but if it does Sony is f*cked.
Price drop + GTA IV + Halo 3 = destruction of Sony in North America BUT...
chubigans said:They aren't. They're going in at a higher price point, actually.
Francias Castiglione said:Try reading more than the headline of an article. Use text-to-speech if you have to.
Francias Castiglione said:Try reading more than the headline of an article. Use text-to-speech if you have to.
LJ11 said:There is no way MS enters Christmas '07 at the same price point they entered in '05.
Phoenix Down said:have you seen any gameplay trailers of GTA4? minus that promotional video? dident think so
yea that video was the 360 version running.. but is that saying much?
Heath Terry - Credit Suisse First Boston
Great, thank you. Karl, could you give us a little bit more detail on the decision to break out deferred revenue? How much of that is directly tied to the Microsoft deal in terms of you providing online content to that versus being tied to the in-game advertising deals that you have put together?
Karl Winters
We are excited to be in a variety agreements that really cover the online content, the in-game advertising, the licensing of IP -- we think this has shown a material trend for us for the future. We have chatted about this at E3. We have chatted about it in the recent past and we think we are at a point where it is becoming meaningful and significant in terms of revenue capabilities for this company and really leveraging that IP in a variety of new ways, and we talked about the sports titles included there-in.
I think in respect to some of the confidentiality and competitive nature of the business, we are not going to break out details player by player, but there are a number of players involved in those revenue streams, and you can imagine from sports and the other pieces of IP that we have, that people would find that interesting.
Borys said::lol
chubigans said:They aren't. They're going in at a higher price point, actually.
Chû Totoro said:Of course i know the reason of this but it's not like i'm happy to buy every system each generation, it represents quite a lot of money.
And i'd rather buy another console for a whole game than just for DLC... (no matter which console it is)
sangreal said:There is no basis for this "Microsoft paid TTWO $30 Million for DLC" claim. TTWO said they received $35M in deferred payments for a variety of agreements. One analyst asked how much of that was Microsoft's payment for DLC and TTWO declined to answer (quote below). This $30M figure has been pulled out of GAF's collective ass.
speculawyer said:And it would be unbelieveably stupid to continue along that path. I think we'll see a price drop by November at the latest.
snack said:Sony is known to make big fusses with companies over things like this. Not with money, but with support.
Hitler Stole My Potato said:Help! I've been sent back in time to the year 2004 and Capcom just announced RE4 will be released on the PS2. I need to get some plutonium to get home. If you're reading this message future me, contact doc.
Effulgence said:The majority of people aren't going to buy the 360 version because it has episodic content; they'll buy whichever one is better if they have both systems or whichever one is on the system they own. If they don't have either system, they'll make a choice to buy one based on other games, price, features and other factors not including $$$ EPISODIC CONTENT LOL. Of course, this only applies in the vast majority of cases, but the point rests.
speculawyer said:But people sat around and tried to figure out what that $35 million was from . . . they looked at everything else and figured that even being generous, various in game advertising and what-not would add up to no more than $5 million. So yes, it is an estimate but it is probably relatively accurate.
chubigans said:I feel the same way. All GTAs have felt like full games to me...if GTA4 somehow feels lacking before the extra content, then the devs have failed to deliver a GTA caliber game. End of story.
sangreal said:There is no basis for this "Microsoft paid TTWO $30 Million for DLC" claim. TTWO said they received $35M in deferred payments for a variety of agreements. One analyst asked how much of that was Microsoft's payment for DLC and TTWO declined to answer (quote below). This $30M figure has been pulled out of GAF's collective ass.
Their response doesn't even touch on the Microsoft deal, instead focusing on IP licensing.
LJ11 said:I read that as soon as Agent posted the link. They never clarified it during that call, and they probably never will. Money was exchanged, how much is for us to speculate.
Mercury, sales have dropped for a few months at $400 and the library is stellar right now, and will only get better in the future. MS would be taking a big gamble betting on GTA4 + Halo 3 pushing sales much further at $400. It would almost be a game of who blinks first? Would consumers cave and jump on board, or will they wait it out until an eventual price cut. Nintendo will laugh all the way to the bank, they're laughing already actually, if they don't cut.
Edit: And we all know GTA Wii is coming, it's only a matter of time.
Evan Wilson - Pacific Crest Securities
Thank you. And as it relates to the deferred revenue chunk associated with the episodic content on X-Box 360, you can see that $25 million of that moved into short-term deferred. Could you give us any sense of when thats going to hit the P&L? Will we see $25 million at one time and then the second 25 or will it be a slow bleed?
Lainie Goldstein
The first 25 is for the first episodic content package thats supposed to go out and that is in March of 08. Thats why it moved into current because its in the next 12 months. The second 25 will be for the second episodic, the episode, and that will be later in fiscal 08.
LJ11 said:Edit: And we all know GTA Wii is coming, it's only a matter of time.
Bethesda said that story was blown out of proportion about putting multiple data on the disc on the PS3 and that they did something similar for the 360 version.jonabbey said:Actually, one of the big reasons load times are improved on the PS3 is that they put multiple copies of the game data on the Blu-Ray disc, spread over its surface so as to minimize seek times during loading.
They also take advantage of the HDD, but there are some significant things you can do with a 25GB platter that can be taken advantage of by a motivated developer, after all.
sangreal said:Well I did some more investigating and it seems Microsoft paid $50 million for 2 episodes. From the most recent conference call:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/38017
sangreal said:Well I did some more investigating and it seems Microsoft paid $50 million for 2 episodes. From the most recent conference call:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/38017
sangreal said:Well I did some more investigating and it seems Microsoft paid $50 million for 2 episodes. From the most recent conference call:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/38017
You are an awesome poster.sangreal said:That also tells us the first episode will be released in March 08. not sure if that was known already
sangreal said:Well I did some more investigating and it seems Microsoft paid $50 million for 2 episodes. From the most recent conference call:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/38017
GTA:SA stories will be announced for the Wii and PSP in short order. Be patient.Angelus said:Wait,WHAT?
WHERE THE HELL IS THE wii VERSION?!
szaromir said:I wish these episodes were worth 25M USD each.
Rockstar has spent much much more than $50 million on them so far.szaromir said:I wish these episodes were worth 25M USD each.
That's probably worthy of a new thread. $50 mil for two exclusive episodes. Holy smokes.sangreal said:Well I did some more investigating and it seems Microsoft paid $50 million for 2 episodes. From the most recent conference call:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/38017
TheRipDizz said:GTA:SA stories will be announced for the Wii and PSP in short order. Be patient.
Visualante said:Rockstar has spent much much more than $50 million on them so far.
Whether that includes infastructure and future assets is tough to say, but I know it is in the low three figure region.
Visualante said:Rockstar has spent much much more than $50 million on them so far.
Whether that includes infastructure and future assets is tough to say, but I know it is in the low three figure region.
25M USDs? Being worth 1 USD is enough to blow your mind.szaromir said:I wish these episodes were worth 25M USD each.
Over 100M USD on them? Meaning only these 2 sets of content, not the GTA IV itself? I found this incredible, also because I doubt they would want downloads to exceed 1GB (would take forever to download on slower connections like mine - of course I'm in very small minority, but still...).Visualante said:Rockstar has spent much much more than $50 million on them so far.
Whether that includes infastructure and future assets is tough to say, but I know it is in the low three figure region.