Familienoberhauptvogel
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Only a logo on a red concept book shared by Mark Darrah a while ago.
https://twitter.com/BioMarkDarrah/status/725022641623437312
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Cameron Lee leaves Bioware, wants to raise new born in big city
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CrichtonKicks
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Wed dont' know that's the new IP. Might be Dragon Age related.
Lovely Salsa
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So...Toronto it is for them? I mean, what else if edmonton is considered small?
Growing in a city has lots of opportunities for both him and the child. Hell, I can't imagine what my life would be like if I grew up outside of NYC.
malboroking
Banned
A bigger city? Even I feel that my city is a bit too busy... with a population of about 150.000
Edmonton is absolutely huge compared to any German city. When I look at the medieval city I live in, I couldn't image living in a even more crowded environment.
I wish the best for Cameron Lee. He worked on my favorite game IPs and I thank him for that.
Thats just not true, there are tons of cities that are bigger in Germany, the cities are just built differently. Cities in Germany tend not to have buildings greater than 8 floors. There are a few here and there, but the majority are 5-6 stories, whereas cities in the Americas tend to have compact downtowns with lage skyscrapers, but the rest of the city will be less dense than a German city would be.
Cities in Germany bigger than Edmonton: Berlin, Frankfurt, Essen, Dortmund, Munich, Frankfurt, Hamburg. WhIle Edmonton may technically have a higher population, you need to compare Metro populations to get the real picture.
I typed this on my phone, otherwise I would provide better examples. Forgive my grammar and spelling too =P
malboroking
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Really man? I love nature, but there's ton of experiences that you can only get in a big city. The best is when you get the best of both worlds, like Seattle.
semiconscious
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Familienoberhauptvogel
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I could swear it was confirmed to be from the new IP but idk.
If you take into account the Metropolitan population (St. Albert, Sherwood Park, etc...) it's closer to 1.3 million.
Anyway as someone who's lived in Edmonton for 26 years, I can definitely understand why someone would want to leave. It's a cold, miserable city full of grumpy ass people.
Are you trying to educate me about my own county?! Just kidding - while you're right, Edmonton downtown does look very impressive and huge overall. It dwarfs the New York of Germany, which is Frankfurt. No city here gives you this overwhelming feeling of sheer size.
Circle Jerk
Member
You won't get that feeling of size in person.
What's going on in Edmonton now? I grew up there, but moved away, so my memories of the city are permanently stuck in the 90s with Whyte Ave being the place to hang, Greenwood's books being the best bookstore in the city because there was no such thing as Borders/Indigo at the time, and Rebar being the big club to go to for the College Kids.
FriedConsole
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You can do what you would do in a smaller town but now pay a lot more rent. All weekend Netflix binges are better with non stop sirens in the background.
BioWare probably goes through some of the longest dev cycles in the AAA industry right now. Nothing has ever indicated any kind of production hell.
bananafactory
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As someone who's lived in Edmonton my whole life yet visited more than a dozen other 'big cities', I find this a bit odd.
Edmonton has professional sports, major concerts, great food, events and festivals all year round. Max commute here is like an hour one way, but for most people probably 20-25 mins tops.
Weather and geography are certainly complaints I could understand but Im not sure what a 'big city' offers beyond simple more people and more traffic. Never really felt like I am missing out.
Still, wish him the best and glad he's looking out for his family.
Edmonton has professional sports, major concerts, great food, events and festivals all year round. Max commute here is like an hour one way, but for most people probably 20-25 mins tops.
Weather and geography are certainly complaints I could understand but Im not sure what a 'big city' offers beyond simple more people and more traffic. Never really felt like I am missing out.
Still, wish him the best and glad he's looking out for his family.
I think some people may be taking his excuse too literally. There are always a lot more factors when changing careers, moving, and starting a family all at once. Chances are he's on good terms with Bioware and just stating a true but only partial reason for his departure as a way to update friends, co-workers, and fans.
I'm just loving the hockey references in this thread.
I'm just loving the hockey references in this thread.
Agree, he can't really say "game development is hell and I don't want to put my family through that" - better to come up with some mild reason to GTFO and leave yourself a bridge back in case you'd ever need it.
Ah, the rural childhood. With such exciting experiences of:
Is the electric fence on or off?
Cow-Tipping!
Can I outrun an angry bull?
Let's play chicken on the train tracks!
Unexpected leeches in your swimming hole
Tractor jousting
Is that snake venomous?
Getting shot "accidentally" with a BB gun
and so much more!
Rexatality
Member
You guys are complaining about the fact he wants to raise his newborn son to a big city? What's wrong with you people? ._.
In any case, I wish all the best for Cameron Lee. Family takes priority above all else
In any case, I wish all the best for Cameron Lee. Family takes priority above all else
funkystudent
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I wonder if this IP even makes this generation.
The Edmonton hate in this thread...I don't get it. I've been here for 8 years, I love it. I grew up in MB and have lived in Saskatoon and Winnipeg so the winters don't even seem that bad. I have family in Calgary and I'm not tempted to move South. Where is he going to move that's bigger? Vancouver? Toronto? Montreal?
malboroking
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Yeah, that's the only benefit of the city. You know other than all of the different types of food, music, entertainment, jobs, people to meet and not having to drive literally everywhere you want to go.
malboroking
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Really? I only read like one or two posts that was down on Edmonton.
HueyFreeman
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Lots of misinformation peddling in this thread, as usual mainly by ex-pats, a group enriched with people who didn't like it here and left (as opposed to those of us who do, and stay).
As this is an international site and people may not have heard of our city before, allow me to present you with some actual data from the Edmonton Defense Force
Metro population is 1.16 million
San Francisco travel writer on Edmonton's overlooked virtues
Edmonton restaurants ranked among best in Canada
One of the most advanced entertainment/sports venues in North America, just completed 2016
One of the world's best outdoor downtown farmer's markets according to National Geographic
It can get fucking cold, but not year round - the average high in January is -6 C and the average high in July is 23 C
Good luck to Cameron, hope he enjoys a big(ger) city! Something tells me Bioware's recent departures (including this one) have less to do with the city Bioware is located in and more to do with EA.
Edit: lol to below
Lots of misinformation peddling in this thread, as usual mainly by ex-pats, a group enriched with people who didn't like it here and left (as opposed to those of us who do, and stay).
As this is an international site and people may not have heard of our city before, allow me to present you with some actual data from the Edmonton Defense Force
Edmonton just shot itself in the foot.
hydrophilic attack
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I can definitely understand wanting to raise your kid in a city. The countryside and and small-ass towns fucking suck.
That said, Edmonton seems a large enough city to be dynamic and interesting, so who knows. Maybe there is another reason. I mean Bioware makes pretty crap games
That said, Edmonton seems a large enough city to be dynamic and interesting, so who knows. Maybe there is another reason. I mean Bioware makes pretty crap games
It is curious. I mostly see folks doing the reverse when having a family.
SuperBanana
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What a seriously ugly looking city.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Have you been to both cities? (no offense)
I have only been to FFM but even though it is a absolutely ugly city, it still looks better than what you have pictured. Also, according to wikipedia, the tallest building in Edmonton is barely 150 meters, which does not dwarf FFM at all.
TakeItSlowDude
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Downtown Edmonton is pretty ugly, though that picture makes it look worse than it is.
The Bookerman
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Besides Bioware, is there another major Studio in the area?
jaundicejuice
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Have you ever been to Edmonton, or anywhere in Alberta for that matter, during the winter?
Could be worse, could be Calgary.
malboroking
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I too judge entire cities based on one picture of their downtown.
Aztechnology
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Having lived in a bigger city for a few months. No thanks. Space, money meet drain. My home City is about 200k and its the right blend for me personally. In the PNW so it's not hard to get away into nature.
Agnostic Priest
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I live just south of Edmonton, and I was born in Vancouver. Edmonton is a decent size, so I'm a little confused on that comment. Unless he meant he wants to raise his new born in a city that isn't cold as fuck most of of the year..... That I would understand.
How's that barn you live in?
Zoloft Sonic
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Vancouver is only "crowded" with drunks and addicts. It's not a particularly populous city at all; it just costs like one because the economy and housing are screwed.
There are lots of reasons to raise a kid in the city. Not having to own a car is just one of the (many) advantages. Also culture, schools, career options, better pay, better food, entertainment, and just more options for life all around. It's not a complicated equation.
FriedConsole
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How's that closet you live in?
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Pray tell?
KyanMehwulfe
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it's a polite way to say edmonton sucks
signed, vancouver, where we just just 28 days of rain in the last 31 and surging 5-game mcdavid envy.
I mean, they can do what they want, but Edmonton is a big city.
Your other 3 options are:
Vancouver, the city of 2,000$/mo basement apartments and where people pretend their homeless problem doesn't exist
Toronto, the city with air worse than the inside of a car of someone hotboxing asbestos
Montreal, the cold city and also the French are there and you can't take a shit without paying off the mafia for the priviledge of flushing your own toilet
"But what about Winnip-"
shut up nobody cares
"You forgot Calgary"
so did the the economy
Your other 3 options are:
Vancouver, the city of 2,000$/mo basement apartments and where people pretend their homeless problem doesn't exist
Toronto, the city with air worse than the inside of a car of someone hotboxing asbestos
Montreal, the cold city and also the French are there and you can't take a shit without paying off the mafia for the priviledge of flushing your own toilet
"But what about Winnip-"
shut up nobody cares
"You forgot Calgary"
so did the the economy
HueyFreeman
Banned
Well - I mean EAs history with all the studios they've purchased is a pretty strong indicator. To say nothing of their history with bioware (DA2).
Beyond that, I really am not in a position to say but it's not a huge leap in logic.