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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 - Sundays on HBO
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deadhorse32
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MudoSkills
Volcano High Alumnus (Cum Laude)
We all know that it's going to end with the red comet smashing into Westeros and sitting on the Iron Throne.
This is like how Showtime Germany just straight up aired Twin Peaks a week too early two weeks ago. I wonder how the hell stuff like this happens with these big name shows. You'd think that there would be like twenty safety nets in place to prevent these things from happening.
IggyChooChoo
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Sorry to hear that. I remember the week The Force Awakens came out, trolls were spamming spoilers all over totally random comment sections of YouTube and Facebook. Two weeks ago, YouTube recommended a video the title of which spoiled the loot train sequence for me, too. So I sort of assume I will get spoiled this time around on these last two episodes.I saw something I wasn't supposed to see
Wait, the show is going to have consequences again!?
Cornballer
Member
Same warning as the other thread:
Let me have my dreams.
In Martin world, characters die because of their own weaknesses. What weaknesses does Jon even have that could lead to his downfall? I can't think of any. A poetic death is basically impossible for him.
(unless he becomes the new NK. Dude is obsessed with everything north of the Wall)
(unless he becomes the new NK. Dude is obsessed with everything north of the Wall)
He's got a weakness for the ginger minge.
Arthritis from bending the knee too much.
Bits N Pieces
Member
I've muted every permutation I can think of relating to GoT on Twitter, going to be really hard to avoid spoilers from here until Sunday. I'm going to fucking try though!
Cpt.Underpants
Member
No ETA on the season 7 soundrack?
Dying to listen on dany and jon theme
Dying to listen on dany and jon theme
Will the track be called "Dragon Fucking Noises"?
September 29. We know what your weakness is...
https://winteriscoming.net/2017/08/07/game-thrones-season-7-soundtrack-comes-september-29/
Cpt.Underpants
Member
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
woah woah so Book Stannis is going to
burn Shireen
That's the Lyanna/Rhaegar theme from the flashback Bran watches of Jon being conceived. Bran's a perv.
Idk I feel like Jon Snow is becoming extremely likable and so is the hound. Last time I liked a character it died just like the character before that, and the one before that. I can't think of anything either but god damn its going to hurt when/if he dies lol
She is a shell of a person now, after all her children died she is desperately clinging to anything, if it's torturing her imprisoned enemies so be it. She also has always felt the only way to survive is to rule, "in the game of thrones you win or you die", and in last episode when Jaime tells her they can't win, "I surrender and I die or I fight and I die".
It always felt jarring to me how someone so horrible could be a good mother and love her children so much, but this season fixed that, the way she talked how Tommen "betray" her and Myrcella was like her property or something ("my only daughter!"x100) shows even her only good quality wasn't that good, it's no surprise Jeoffrey was the way he was and kind of a miracle her other children were nice.
He probably said 'Yep, Shireen's gonna die/get burned' and D&D adapted that into 'Stannis burns his daughter', then when viewers complained they quickly hid behind the 'GRRM told us this happens' excuse. It makes zero sense for Stannis to burn Shireen in the books, both because it doesn't fit his character and because he's nowhere near Shireen.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Human Trashcan
Banned
You should probably read the mod post a few posts up, junior
edit: oh that did not take long
edit: oh that did not take long
What would set this show up best for sequels would be the night king winning westeros and then heroes from other places not the 7 kingdoms coming in to fight the NK. They haven't really had much screen time with the NK but it would be cool if maybe there were some more interesting looking white walkers and they actually talked and stuff. I wonder if they could pull off non CG white walkers.
The white walkers are not CG, ok maybe when they die but those are guys in costumes.
Really? NK looks very CG.
Someone got banned? I wanna see heads on spikes as a warning!
There is some very slight CG but it's mostly costume.
Cersei ain't a villain. She's a real person and that's all there is to it. Any SOB who says otherwise lacks empathy. The woman lost three children and her father in the space of like 3 years. Yeah she wernt a little nuts but let's give her a chance, Jamie will bring her back to reality.
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/tv/a12004791/night-king-from-game-of-thrones-drake/
You'll never look at him the same way again.
Human Trashcan
Banned
actually this series is fictional and none of these people are real
in all seriousness: yes, she is humanized and not 100% without redeeming qualities (although they are few) but she is unequivocally the main villain of the show at this point in time (aside from the Others of course)
watch the early eps again, she's actually not that bad. she's got empathy for people and cries about how sad she is and everything, even with tyrion! you'll love how not that bad she is in retrospect!
i just don't get siding with a one dimensional painting over our girl who has been fleshed out in all 4 dimensions, cersei. she's evil but i love to watch her mind work and i don't want her to fuckin die, especially at the hands of dragon mode.
IggyChooChoo
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Evil people can be three dimensional, interesting, and even sometimes sympathetic. Cersei chapters are some of my favorite! But she's definitely a monster who needs to be put down at this point in both the books and the show.
Teren_Kanan
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As a child she would physically abuse infant Tyrion.
She almost certainly pushed her friend Melara Hetherspoon down a well as a child killing her.
In the books at least, she had all of Roberts bastards murdered, including babies.
All before any of her children or her father died.
She is most certainly written to be a villain/bad person.
Doesn't mean she can't be sympathetic at times.. but yeah she's not just a good person gone bad via her children dying.
All right most of that didn't happen in the show, now, come on. Yeah she did mess with baby Tyrion's weiner, that's pretty wrong. Very bad behaviour but she was a girl. Tyrion doesn't even talk about it.
The problem with Jon is that he's just too perfect now. I used to root for him when he was the underdog, but that all changed in Season 6. Martin says the only thing worth writing about is the human heart in conflict with itself and Jon lacks that dynamic completely. It's boring watching a flawless person too humble to apprecaite the gifts he's been given who wants only to be the altruistic savior of the realm.
You lack perspective. Cersei was physically abusive to Tyrion, even as a newborn. I remember Tyrion explaining a story about a girl that Cersei had physically abused by one of her guardsmen because she did something she didn't like, I wish I could find the details. Cersei surrounds herself with many of the worst possible people. The Mountain is a vile psychopathic murderer, Qyburn performed experiments on live subjects.
She lost one of her children because she committed mass murder, including the killing of her son's wife. She conspired to kill King Robert. She is willing to use vile torture against her enemies.
Sure, Cersei has suffered some hardships, welcome to Game of Thrones. Who hasn't suffered hardships in this show? She clearly responds to them about as poorly as anyone on the show. She's not, or at least hasn't always been, pure evil incarnate or something there's a spectrum and she's definitely well into that evil spectrum.
Cpt.Underpants
Member
Given the power dynamics you might have that reversed.
True enough. Given how she stares at Jon a couple of times
hydrophilic attack
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Given the power dynamics you might have that reversed.
if they didn't take the opportunity to show some prostate action with grey worm i doubt they'll do it here
very unfortunate
Psychoward
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i'm gonna assume this is sarcasm since she was nuts even before any of that and one of her children dying was entirely her fault
anyway shireen having hideous facial scarring from greyscale and jorah not seemingly having any scarring is against even the show universe
The Artisan
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I know what you mean, but I'm not sure if it can be applied to this line..maybe it can be but I feel like those are the only times this season we heard it.
What does come off as repetitive is Jon always bringing back up the winter war no matter who he's talking to - and I get that he's focused like Shepard on the reapers but at a certain point it feels like the writers don't wanna give him more exposition and just take an opportunity to make him one dimensional because it fits.
demosthenes
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Nice bait.
IggyChooChoo
Member
I think Jon will be very conflicted about being a Targaryen. He always wanted to be a Stark, and he never will be.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
*peeks into the non-book thread again*
I'm gettin' dejavu here.
I'm gettin' dejavu here.
He's half Stark. He's always been half Stark. That's not much of a conflict.
One of the things I find interesting about Jon is that he seems to be trying to live up to the God-like image he has of his father. I think the show has him explicitly state that Ned Stark would do what's right no matter what and before he left for Dragonstone, they showed him standing and staring at his statue in the crypts. I think he's there to pay homage, but mostly to help focus him on what should be done instead of what he wants.
So, I look forward to The Winds of Winter, because we'll at least get his inner monologue, but I think the show has made some subtle hints that support the idea that Jon wants Daenerys, he wants to bend the knee, and he doesn't really want to be king. However, he does what's right because that's what he thinks his father, Ned Stark, would have done. I think that, while there's not enough time to flesh it out, this sentiment on Jon's part could prove to be a liability.
Plus, I think what he actually wanted more than anything was to not be a bastard.
I see Jon very different than you. Since his resurrection, he seems like he wants nothing more than to die again. That's why he was so aggressive in The Battle of the Bastard and why he's willing to go North to capture a wight instead of sending subordinates to do the dirty work. He hasn't cracked a smile nor told a joke nor found any joy since he came back from the dead and without happiness he's willing to live dangerously "for the good of the realm."
I did think about his nobility as a potential downfall but I don't think they would go to that well again. Both Ned and Robb (well, Book Rob) died because they were too damn noble to realize they were idiots. His parentage should mean something. I hope that the genetic differences are enough to separate him from his dad and cousin because I can only take so many "too noble for his own good" deaths.