Tizoc
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DC version is closest to the Arcade version, I think the Xbox version, much like the GC version changed a few things like removing Roll Cancels. Sorry that's the most I can recall atm ^^;
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Best ver. of games during the Gamecube, PS2 and X-Box era
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DC version is closest to the Arcade version, I think the Xbox version, much like the GC version changed a few things like removing Roll Cancels. Sorry that's the most I can recall atm ^^;
Dreamcast version runs smoother, doesn't have graphical glitches and doesn't lock up at random points in the game. In an rpg lock ups can be the worst thing ever especially if you
miss a save point.
It should also be noted that the PC version is equally terrible. The port was not handled by GameArts and it shows. It's really a mess.
Some clarifications;
BG&E was actually best on Xbox due to the higher framerate. It helds 60 fps fairly regularly on XBOX but dipped more often on Gamecube.
The Gamecube versions of PoP were not of good quality either. Why? Horrible 16-bit color dithering. The visuals were absolutely ruined by this (especially the two sequels). Image quality is much better on Xbox.
As for Arcadia, you're right on about the music, but the texture quality also took a hit. The resolution is the same but there are added compression artifacts visible that were not present on Dreamcast.
KojiKnight
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Unfortunately... it was usually xbox>PS2>GC.
The GC had the superior hardware for rendering, but many 3rd party devs didn't even both because of the low install base. They just pushed the PS2 version onto GC hardware, and cut FMVs or whatever else was necessary to fit it onto the 1.5GB discs.
Uhh... I suggest that you actually compare footage of the 360 version with the Xbox version before you make silly comments like that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CAve2QT6t4&feature=player_detailpage#t=287
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT7PsJiuAdw&feature=player_detailpage#t=315
Even with the low quality stream, you can tell the assets and effects are a generation ahead on 360.
On another note, the PC port of Just Cause was garbage. It didn't support widescreen and the assets seem closer to the original Xbox version.
Tizoc
Member
Hmm so BG&E would be Xbox>GC>= PS2?
...and overall Arcadia is best on Dreamcast, what graphical changes were done in the GC ver. if you could elaborate more please?
Bjoern the Smexy
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I remember Enter The Matrix and one Lord of the Rings game being released as 2-disc games on GameCube, while the other consoles got the whole game on one disc. But at least the Cube did get the full game both times.
Killer7 was also released on 2 discs on GameCube and one disc on PS2, yet the GC version was FAR superior. Better colors, smoother framerate, even better controls iirc. GameCube was definitely the platform of choice for this game.
Also I remember quite some PS2 ports having really unsaturated colors.
Sega Soccer Slam for example. Xbox and GC versions were pretty much identical, the PS2 versions though looks like a grey-ish mess.
I also think that Need for Speed Underground 2 looked worse on GameCube than on Xbox and PS2 due to low resolution textures? Could be wrong on that one.
Also someone said or implied that Prince of Persia Warrior Within and The Two Thrones looked worse on GameCube?
That is not true. The GameCube version of Warrior Within at least looks better to me than the PS2 version, due to colors once again, but also because the framerate got a lot worse on PS2 than it did on GameCube. Can't comment on the Xbox version though.
Also, whoever said that the GameCube version of THPS3 and/or 4 didn't have a Skate Park editor: You are wrong. There is a Skate Park editor in both games. I know I had TREMENDOUS amounts of fun using it. Still got my parks on my memory card even.
sixteen-bit
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In addition to the framerate stuff, IIRC the Xbox (and PS2) version supports more languages on disc than the GCN version due to storage advantages.
Bjoern the Smexy
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I wouldn't consider less languages on the disc to be a reason for a "worse" port.
One thing I know about the GC version (may apply to the PS2 and Xbox versions too, I don't know) is that photographs look like shit (read: horribly compressed) on GameCube (this is compared to the PC version, where photographs are crystal clear). It doesn't gameplay per se but it's still a bit annoying to see such an overcompressed JPEG of the photo you just took.
I wonder which version the PC version is based on, because from memory, it runs at a smooth 60 on the shittiest hardware.
Edit: I misunderstood the topic, didn't realise we were only comparing PS2 Xbox and Gamecube versions, sorry
IGN actually ran a couple of head-to-heads which disproves some of these claims.
The ones I just read say the following
Spiderman 2
Xbox>GC>PS2
BG&E
Xbox>GC>PS2
Sonic Heroes
GC=>Xbox>>PS2
Prince of Persia:SoT
Xbox>GC>PS2
Timesplitters 2
Xbox>=GC>PS2
Also with Arcadia I'd still go with the GC version for the reduced encounter rates.
The ones I just read say the following
Spiderman 2
Xbox>GC>PS2
BG&E
Xbox>GC>PS2
Sonic Heroes
GC=>Xbox>>PS2
Prince of Persia:SoT
Xbox>GC>PS2
Timesplitters 2
Xbox>=GC>PS2
Also with Arcadia I'd still go with the GC version for the reduced encounter rates.
anything that was released FIRST on a specific console, get that version (including dreamcast)
for games that were released simultaneously across consoles, the Xbox version will perform the best, but the Cube often performs just as well so in those cases I usually go for that version due to the Cube controller and Wii backwards compatibility.
for games that were released simultaneously across consoles, the Xbox version will perform the best, but the Cube often performs just as well so in those cases I usually go for that version due to the Cube controller and Wii backwards compatibility.
petran79
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Unfortunately some non-Naomi arcade ports, despite being released on Dreamcast first, lack when compared to later releases for PS2 and Xbox.
Eg Garou:MOTW, SFIII:3S and Darkstalkers Collection
though others like SFIII: Double Impact are some of the most faithful arcade conversions.
Toadthemushroom
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Apparently Burnout 2's split screen dropped to 30fps on GameCube only, is this true?
chronic_archaic
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Bumping this thread for some questions
Is Sonic Heroes actually better on GameCube? I have a Xbox and assumed they would be basically the same on either.
Tony Hawk games best on PS2 might have been right at the time because of online - but wrong now. THPS4, Tony Hawk's Underground, and it's sequel all run at native 720p. I don't think gamepad preference is a good argument for saying those are the better versions but yeah, a DualShock is nice for those games though I can play them all proficiently with all three consoles controllers.
Finally, I never heard of the GTA games running worse on Xbox - in fact, I've been told they actually have touched up graphics and I know they all support custom soundtracks. Any truth to the performance issues or is that just speculation?
Also intrigued about SSX On Tour. I don't have a PS2 so I can't test that version but I'm tempted to give the Xbox and GameCube ports a try now.
Is Sonic Heroes actually better on GameCube? I have a Xbox and assumed they would be basically the same on either.
Tony Hawk games best on PS2 might have been right at the time because of online - but wrong now. THPS4, Tony Hawk's Underground, and it's sequel all run at native 720p. I don't think gamepad preference is a good argument for saying those are the better versions but yeah, a DualShock is nice for those games though I can play them all proficiently with all three consoles controllers.
Finally, I never heard of the GTA games running worse on Xbox - in fact, I've been told they actually have touched up graphics and I know they all support custom soundtracks. Any truth to the performance issues or is that just speculation?
Also intrigued about SSX On Tour. I don't have a PS2 so I can't test that version but I'm tempted to give the Xbox and GameCube ports a try now.
ResidentDante
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I'd just like tip players that have NOT played BG&E to simply get the 360 (works on Xbox One BC) or PS3 versions in HD. They run great, and look way better than back on the old systems. I believe the HD version even runs in 1080p.
Lynd7
Member
Pretty sure GC was the lead platform for Sonic Heroes, Xbox and PS2 were buggier I think.
Honestly I'd stay away from any versions. :lol
PhantomThief
Banned
Uhh you sure the GTA games aren't better on Xbox?
sixteen-bit
Member
Sure, but that's outside the scope of this thread
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
The big one that always sticks out to me is Sonic Heroes. 30fps on the Playstation 2 and 60fps on the Gamecube and Xbox.
On consoles exclusively, the XBOX version of GTA III is the definitive version. Near rock-solid 30fps and better character models. The PS4 re-release infuriates me because while the uprez is gorgeous, it still uses the same blockier PS2 models and the frame pacing is absolutely horrendous.
Stallion Dan
Member
Most EA sports games sucked on GC with missing courses, stadiums etc. The golf games especially.
Def Jam Fight For New York was also missing a load of music. GC was definitely the worst version.
mariosbrother
Member
This is my understanding as well.
Which was the better ver. PS2 or GC?
well ummmm, comparing videos of the PS2 version with my GC copy (not exactly the most rigorous method I know, but I'm not getting tgis twice), the later has more stable framerate.
Though if I may opine: Speaking as a fan of car combat games with very low standards, this is a game you shouldn't play on *any* platforms.
Frankenstrat
Member
SSX Tricky and 3 are apparently better on PS2 because of the four shoulder buttons. Little salty I missed out on a bunch of tricks thanks to my owning a GCN.
Tizoc
Member
But it has JR commentary man. I'd get it for shits and giggles.
squarealex
Member
SoulCalibur is better on PS2 than GameCube. NGC version have a little "blur".. (or it's maybe my Wii)
Xbox is best for resolution and 'little extra" graphic, other than, the PS2 version run well and is not "the worse", it run on the same resolution on the GC version.
EDIT :
Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath of Cortex : Xbox=PS2 > GameCube
Xbox run on 480p/60fps, have a better draw distance and Crash/Coco have fur, but some effect (reflexion/shadow) on the original PS2 missing, framerate can drop in some area.
PS2 is the original. Run at 240i-480i 60fps (framebuffer), more "aliasing", but is nice. Draw distrance is less important than Xbox and loading time is terrible, but he have nice effect (reflexion/shadow/transparent) and run well.
GameCube is the worst, the framerate run mostly at 30fps even worse, more effect are missing (fur, shadow, water, reflexion)
GC has the best exclusive character. That said I do think the PS2 pad is better suited to the game.
squarealex
Member
And if you don't like link ?
And spawn is cool to play. But technical, the PS2 version is not the "worse"
All have progressive scan.
Only XBox does 720p but in 4:3
GC has the strongest FPS performance with XBox being similar. PS2 FPS performance is so bad certain levels were tourney banned.
Xbox has strongest filtering for sharpness.
Cube is the softest
Xbox and GC sport stronger effects and also don't slow down when you get characters spazzing them on certain levels.
PS2 doesn't have AA or things of that nature while GC and Xbox do.
PS2 loses out to the other 2 due to certain things being mentioned. Make no mistake this is one of the few games that gen where the multiplatform was insanely close to begin with.
Mentioning the PS2 version is better for the pad is pointless considering it was a tourney heavy game and tons of people had converters or sticks.
thepenguin55
Member
The lack of GunCon support for the PS2 version always seemed like a waste. I totally would have looked past the PS2 versions issues if it had GunCon support.
To the OP, Final Night Round 2 (AKA Fight Night: Round 2) was definitely better on GameCube what with the exclusive Punch Out content. Also, isn't the Xbox version of Mega Man Legacy Collection better than the PS2 version?
Not to mention custom soundtracks because let's face it gta3 s rap stations had about 3 good songs
potatohead
Member
Yep Max Payne 1 and 2 are overwhelmingly better on Xbox than PS2, they actually match the PC versions in every meaningful way and have great controls too.
Yea it is a better version, much sharper rendering and also much sharper textures.
Some of the trails and post-processing effects are arguably better on PS2 in some ways, I have to take a look again personally for that stuff.
GTA SA I don't like on Xbox though, the shader effects are much nicer on PS2 even though the shadow resolution and rendering resolution is lower.