-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
MvC:I Devs On Preserving Depth, Picking Characters, And Fixing Chun-Li's Face
- Thread starter LordOfLore
- Start date
roflwaffles
Member
This is overall a horrible thing to say about any game that banks on fan service/cross-overs.
Sparrowhawk
Member
Yeah, what a ridiculous answer.
Zombegoast
Member
Now fix Ken's face.
guy's been looking at hitboxes too long
Alexander DeLarge
Member
Is Marvel really that weird about only supporting properties that are entirely theirs?
I can sort of see where he is coming from, but the characters are what makes me want to play them, and then the functions(their gameplay) are what keeps me playing. What gets many people in are the characters, then what keeps them in is the gameplay.
Finale Fireworker
Member
This is the fullest and most dramatic extreme of "gameplay is king" I could ever imagine. Literally only the mechanics matter. Every other detail is expendably superfluous.
That's insane! I don't want my games to merely be a sum of their inputs.
Marvel vs Capcom is my favorite game series of all time, barring Pokemon. When MvC 3 was announced I was literally overjoyed.
Everything about this game so far has been a joke. I hate the MCU, and I hate that its taken over that side of this game; and I hate what Capcom has become.
Everything about this game so far has been a joke. I hate the MCU, and I hate that its taken over that side of this game; and I hate what Capcom has become.
GrantDaNasty
Member
Jawmuncher
Member
Capcom has 3 more months to get me on board for day one. We'll see if they manage to do it. Thus far they've just been digging deep.
lucebuce12
Member
Now fix my face.
Outrun
Member
Agreed.
Please.
Dude looks more busted than MvC:I Chun Li.
LordOfLore
Banned
Who even remember the mutants /s
Salty Rice
Member
Oh shut up Peter.
People wanna play Magneto and Wolverine because they are Magneto and Wolverine.
He trying to bullshit us with this shit is hilarious. Just say you cant use Mutants.
7DollarHagane
Banned
People have decided this game is going to be terrible before it releases so they may as well cancel it now and cut their losses.
DR2K
Banned
They released a demo that showed how terrible the single player portion will be.
Nah I like Magneto and Doom because they are awesome characters lol.
Yeah, that's a TERRIBLE analysis. Maybe at the ultra-competitive professional level, sure, that's what they want. As SFV has turned out, that's a very insignificant minority compared to the majority of IP fans that just want to smash someone with Magento, Sentinel, etc.
Dude just doesn't get it.
ComboFiend said:
This is wrong on so many levels UNLESS you COMPLETELY disregard the casual fanbase (which will be what makes or breaks the game saleswise). Truth is, the reason we've seen so many Morrigan/InsertTopTierHere/Doom teams in finals at majors for UMvC3 is because of certain movesets and assists, not because everyone who chooses that team are huge fans of them but for the fact they are OP haha. But the majority of people who would buy the game aren't going to be top 8 EVO players, they DO want to see their favorite characters represented.
Thing is though, now we don't have assists so even if Doom was in the game you wouldn't have to worry about hidden missiles!! If they want to fix broken shit then by all means do so but not at the expense of cutting expected legacy characters for suspect reasonings and try to justify it with this weak ass answer lol.
Also he pretty much confirms that the leaked roster is correct. Question is does that extend to the .zip leak?!
We already know of the ban / difficulty of use on certain characters. Do we need that re-iterated every time? Saying "we didn't forget about those players, there's characters who'll play like you want", is an answer I expect from a FGC vet. He's answering from his own perspective.
People become fans of new characters because they like what they do. I definitely learned to like characters in fighters and adventure games because a new work introduced me to them, in a way that only gaming can. I loved how MVC3 put me more in-the-know about the next years of Marvel's upcoming movies/works. I barely knew anything about X-23, or paid much attention to Taskmaster, before the game.
There's a balance between "I like this character because it's them!" and "I like them because they play in a way I like". It's very weird for a MvC to push the latter off it's base roster, but that's where we are... and no answers this late in production are going to change that.
People become fans of new characters because they like what they do. I definitely learned to like characters in fighters and adventure games because a new work introduced me to them, in a way that only gaming can. I loved how MVC3 put me more in-the-know about the next years of Marvel's upcoming movies/works. I barely knew anything about X-23, or paid much attention to Taskmaster, before the game.
There's a balance between "I like this character because it's them!" and "I like them because they play in a way I like". It's very weird for a MvC to push the latter off it's base roster, but that's where we are... and no answers this late in production are going to change that.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
If characters are just functions then that nobody Spencer should have been the first to go, right Combofiend?
At least She Hulks gone. I hope whoever his third character was got cut too.
At least She Hulks gone. I hope whoever his third character was got cut too.
To be fair, it's probably the main way they hear fans justify why a certain character "needs" to be in the game since "But that's my favorite character and I like his helmet" doesn't make a very compelling argument on why any character "needs" to be in a game over another character.
Poltergust
Member
He's probably talking about high-level players here. I'm pretty sure most of the people who play Magneto or Sentinel in tournaments are not actually fans of the characters themselves.
Not saying it's the right way of going about it since most of the player base aren't tournament goers, though.
Not saying it's the right way of going about it since most of the player base aren't tournament goers, though.
Yep, it's a pretty tough situation to be in, especially after SFV.
You're acting like he personally picked the roster.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
He shouldnt have given such a dumb answer.
I dont care who did what or whose at fault. As a consumer I look at the product Im being asked to pay $60 for.
Indeed, he's approaching the issue with the mentality of an FGC player. It's completely lacking perspective in regards to why most people would buy such a game.
RedAssedApe
Banned
lol at the part of skullomania. That reasoning why he's cool was actually legit and convinced me.
Doctrine Dark
Member
The answer was ridiculous, but these guys simply can't speak on the real reason why.
Just look at the pattern:
Jay from Marvel Games:
Mike Evans:
They can't speak on the X-Men stuff. It's obvious by now that they can't say anything.
Just look at the pattern:
Jay from Marvel Games:
Mike Evans:
They can't speak on the X-Men stuff. It's obvious by now that they can't say anything.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Not anymore, but the roster was probably finalized before they made that recent shift towards letting X-Men back in their games.
crimzonflame
Member
This game is a PR nightmare and its not even out yet.
almost every competitive single marvel player i know has their 'main character' on a team because of that character love. marvel 3 is actually pretty great at making a lot of super popular characters people really like also really relevant gameplay wise!
of course, there are also a fuckton of chars who are not strong enough who fall into that qualifier but boy howdy there are folks who try their damnedest to make it happen!
it is actual bullshit funneling blame towards an non-existent group of players that view games as hitboxes rather than as a combination of a bunch of shit they love. dudes love the "personality" that characters they play exude, even if it's built on a nonsensical legacy like magneto flying around kicking the shit out of you.
the statement itself is pretty much spitting in the face of character loyalists who have been pushing their characters for years because "oh you actually only liked their moveset".
dumb PR bullshit is always gonna be just that but that specific statement has an extremely high in foot-in-mouth level.
Ok you know the real reason why the characters aren't in the game don't attack the people who have no control over that.
Then he should've phrased his answer in a manner that suggests what you're saying, as opposed to a response encouraging consumers to view the cast as nothing more than a collection of toolsets.
Similar threads
- Locked