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Steam Greenlight: 1000 games and counting, more Greenlit every few weeks
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the next warz
Paper Monsters up on Greenlight:
http://www.papermonsterland.com/
One of my favorite iOS titles. Definitely would recommend voting for it.
http://www.papermonsterland.com/
One of my favorite iOS titles. Definitely would recommend voting for it.
Wok
Member
Paper Monsters up on Greenlight:
http://www.papermonsterland.com/
One of my favorite iOS titles. Definitely would recommend voting for it.
The game looks nice but the gameplay is really basic.
Well, the No interest thing, i guess the impact is not the same as a negative vote... or yes, who knows.
There is a list on your profile for the games that you have upvoted, the other number is the difference from the total of games.
Dungeonmans : http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=114781779
It looks like a fun Rogue-like game with some tongue in cheek humor. Kinda digging the art style as well.
It looks like a fun Rogue-like game with some tongue in cheek humor. Kinda digging the art style as well.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
It got taken down (certainly due to copyright infringment) but now they've gone along and just put up an identical listing: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=117478607
The only difference is a new video and a bullshit "this is legal!" claim.
That depends on your region. The greenlight is from the people with the rights for non-US territories to get it up elsewhere.
Starwolf_UK
Member
January 15th is what the news post on the Greenlgiht page says.
Didn't Valve say in the pre-Greenlight days something along the lines of "you have no idea what kind of things are submitted to us. All sorts, even complete rip-offs of other games".
And should be noted that January 7 and January 14 will come out the IGF finalists ... and valve said they would all get free Greenlight pass
So theoricaly on January 15 or no greenlight game will be or there would be greenlight games AND IGF games
Wok
Member
Haunted
Member
You're welcome, Steam.
I can't believe what some people pay $100 for to put on Greenlight. So many throwaway "babby's first attempts in flash/RPGmaker" entries.
That's good advice.
Getting reputable guest editors to pick some choices out every month might be more work than they're willing to invest, though.
I can't fault Valve too much, but I'd be much happier if they would at least fix the most egregious oversights that are stuck in Greenlight right now. Games like Ludwig, Cook Serve Delicious, La Mulana, Unepic, Incredipede, Cognition, Escape Goat and most (if not all) of the dtp games really have no business languishing in limbo right now.
Kind of a nice idea at first.
Now it's just lazy, cheap outsourcing of their retail discovery department to the community, and somehow made even less transparent than before
Basicaly, yes.
And ANY size of indies that don't have distribution agreement with a huge company
Well, you have to get it listed at least. But I wouldn't be surprised if Valve ignores the voting statistics for some games and just, um, greenlights them regardless. That's how it should work, anyway.
It would be really stupid if they give the whole control to voters. I thought it's only an addition to normal process where some wise people decide if a project is worth releasing on the platform.
Completely useless and a disaster.
It's a great concept sure, but it is such a trainwreck. No one seems to have any idea how it works, or what the process is. Will future games not claim to be on Steam, but on greenlight, waiting to be on Steam? Who the hell knows.
Why are games getting approved that are nothing more than ideas or concepts? Why is Game X that is complete and made and available to buy elsewhere, not the front line of games to be approved? Why not have a tiered system, choosing 20 games to vote for, and then 10 of those show up on Steam next week because they're ready to go.
I'm not so sure. Like I wrote, if it's only an addition then ok, but if not then many great unpopular games could be left outside from the main distribution platform.
Ingueferroque
Banned
It's not fun, intuitive, or even remotely efficient to vote for games on Steam greenlight. And when I do decide to find the Greenlight button, I have to wade through so much crap that it depresses me for the rest of the day.
That's completely different case. But the idea... I dont know. Direct democracy is not always a good thing.
Haunted
Member
Yes.
I'm fine with the idea, I've seen plenty of great games on there that I had no idea about, and that's wonderful, but Greenlight is still flawed.
Those games on greenlight should be complete games and ready to go. Greenlight is not kickstarter. It's not, vote for my game to be on Steam, then I'll make it! Greenlight as I said should be, hey my game is made, I really want it on Steam, please vote for it to be on Steam immediately!
I understand the concept behind this, but I think it's flawed. Many people won't buy a game if it's not on Steam; many of them won't be interested even if they could get it for free on platforms such as Desura or Origin. That's why giving the right to decide which games will find its place on the digital shelf to majority is quite dangerous, because I'm sure that only the certain kind of interactive media will be chosen in this virtual agora. It's of course good idea for Steam, because they'll earn more money, knowing in advance which games will sell, but not for some more obscure and innovative ideas.
I think I originally said that we should wait and see how Greenlight turned out, but it does seem that (a few months?) since it has come out, it has really become a non-starter for a certain specific market: Developers who have a game already playable and being sold (and who may already have games on Steam). One big issue seems to be that due to how Valve keeps certain information hidden, the developer just sees that they are 70% into the top 100...which then drops every week or so as new games are added.
This seems to mean that unless they can get everyone who is interested in the game to vote initially as a blitz, they have to have a constant stream of votes that outweighs the votes/day rate any other game in any other category, or else their ranking will simply continue to fall and their chances of ever being approved go from slim to none.
And if their game is already completed, they may be unlikely to have a stream of new features or screenshots (like say, pCARS, or Minecraft) to keep people interested.
I saw at least one piece of developer feedback that mentioned it used to be impossible to even notify people who follow (favorite?) your game that there is news, so that they can help tell their friends to vote or whatever, or see the new progress without checking themselves. I think that's improved at least. It also looked like there was one Valve employee responding to some Greenlight discussion thread(s), so at least someone is or was checking on the community in that regard.
I am really curious to see what happens with Feep's new game, assuming he is allowed to tell us any details -- whether having a previous game on the store (and a Valve contact?) helps him, whether he has to go through Greenlight, etc.
This seems to mean that unless they can get everyone who is interested in the game to vote initially as a blitz, they have to have a constant stream of votes that outweighs the votes/day rate any other game in any other category, or else their ranking will simply continue to fall and their chances of ever being approved go from slim to none.
And if their game is already completed, they may be unlikely to have a stream of new features or screenshots (like say, pCARS, or Minecraft) to keep people interested.
I saw at least one piece of developer feedback that mentioned it used to be impossible to even notify people who follow (favorite?) your game that there is news, so that they can help tell their friends to vote or whatever, or see the new progress without checking themselves. I think that's improved at least. It also looked like there was one Valve employee responding to some Greenlight discussion thread(s), so at least someone is or was checking on the community in that regard.
I am really curious to see what happens with Feep's new game, assuming he is allowed to tell us any details -- whether having a previous game on the store (and a Valve contact?) helps him, whether he has to go through Greenlight, etc.
Awful concept with even worse excecution.
Having a popularity contest decide which games get to be released is silly. A small niche game shouldn't have to compete against much bigger more mainstream titles. Yes, if both would be released they would still technically be competing, but it wouldn't really matter that the smaller sells a lot less. It would still be able to make some money, the people interested could get to play it, and it probably wouldn't need to sell nearly as much as the bigger title to make a profit. But with greenlight it won't be making any money ever, and no one will get to play it (because no one will buy it outside of steam, especially not when there's a tiny chance it will eventually be released there), so it can't start building up a fanbase through word of mouth either.
LOL okay, so I don't feel bad being negative about Greenlight then.
I agree with the above comment that it's cheap, half-assed outsourcing that has somehow made the game submission process even more murky and unclear.
The whole thing is lazy.
If they bothered to give the navigation and searching a modicum of user friendliness, it might be easier. But they've gone for the dumbed down, big picture, tablet mindset instead of having a page of 50 projects at once, sortable by different categories.
I agree with the above comment that it's cheap, half-assed outsourcing that has somehow made the game submission process even more murky and unclear.
The whole thing is lazy.
If they bothered to give the navigation and searching a modicum of user friendliness, it might be easier. But they've gone for the dumbed down, big picture, tablet mindset instead of having a page of 50 projects at once, sortable by different categories.
What about indie games that are don't fit into the competitions?
I feel like there must be some good indie games that didn't win IGF or whatnot. I agree it's -a- good way, but not the only way.The user interface is another good point. Maybe someone at Valve sees some of the feedback, but it really probably isn't a system that makes people want to actually look through and vote on games...even aside from the depressingly bad ones, ha.
I think I may be the only one who actually likes the concept of greenlight. I can't deny that the execution is lacking, but I'm willing to believe that they'll improve on it.
Oh and I disagree that it makes the process even more mury and unclear. I've read of developers who tried getting on steam before greenlight that they hadn't even gotten mails back after the submitted stuff to Valve or that Valve outright said they shouldn't bother to try again because the game's not something they're looking for. So now at least we have voice in the approval process.
BigWeather
Member
One of my issues early on is that while they initially said that they welcomed alpha / beta games they didn't really have any support for them -- in the form of forums (to get feedback) or even the ability to designate the state of the game as alpha and that the game was not meant to be voted on yet. I know they've added forums (discussions, whatever), have they improved anything else in regards to alpha / beta software?
I think they added the concepts section, but I don't know if there is any way to get a game moved from games to concepts (maybe deleting and recreating?).
BigWeather
Member
Ah cool, I see they rolled out the Concept tab -- it has been a while since I've visited Greenlight. This addresses most of my beef with lackluster support for alpha / beta projects.
BigWeather
Member
Oh, really? I hope there is an easy way to do that. They charge for Concepts just like for Games, right? Tempted to toss up one of my two projects, to gather feedback if nothing else.
Edit: Oh! They also added a Links section on the right -- that's super. Before you had to put the link in the left among the project description and it wasn't even clickable.
I find it very silly that finished games that are way above most of the stuff on Greenlight need to got through the same hurdles just to get on Steam.
Just look at War Thunder : link
My guess is that Valve wants nothing to do with approving games because they don't want to actually hire the stuff required to handle that kind of workload.
Just look at War Thunder : link
My guess is that Valve wants nothing to do with approving games because they don't want to actually hire the stuff required to handle that kind of workload.
jediyoshi
Member
Theoretically it's all sound, but judging by how many indie games are still getting through, I've never got the sense that regardless of if greenlight existed or not, that anything would be different from the status quo. Just seems to boil down to bigger indie devs still getting out stuff on the service like they would've anyway and valve are able to take more risks with the more obscure stuff by being able to weigh the risk with tangible interest gauging.
Wok
Member
The greenlight IGF batch will consist of at most 28 games.
So 22 new games could come to Steam!
So 22 new games could come to Steam!
Incredipede
Kentucky Route Zero
Guacalamelee!
Lovers in a Dangerous Spacetime
Year Walk
Cart Life
Dys4ia
Gone Home
StarForge
Perspective
LiquidSketch
Samurai Gunn
Starseed Pilgrim
Super Space ______
Bad Hotel
140
Pixeljunk 4AM
Spaceteam
Bientot l'ete
7 Grand Steps
MirrorMoon
VESPER.5
Of course not ALL of those WILL come to steam ( Dys4ia is a 5 minute flash game ... ) but these are the finalists that are not on steam
Kentucky Route Zero
Guacalamelee!
Lovers in a Dangerous Spacetime
Year Walk
Cart Life
Dys4ia
Gone Home
StarForge
Perspective
LiquidSketch
Samurai Gunn
Starseed Pilgrim
Super Space ______
Bad Hotel
140
Pixeljunk 4AM
Spaceteam
Bientot l'ete
7 Grand Steps
MirrorMoon
VESPER.5
Of course not ALL of those WILL come to steam ( Dys4ia is a 5 minute flash game ... ) but these are the finalists that are not on steam
Wok
Member
Kentucky Route Zero is a finalist in 4 categories :
And the first act is released today!
http://kentuckyroutezero.com/
And Little Inferno in 3 categories :
- Excellence In Visual Art
- Excellence In Narrative
- Excellence In Audio
- Seumas McNally Grand Prize
And the first act is released today!
http://kentuckyroutezero.com/
And Little Inferno in 3 categories :
- Technical Excellence
- Nuovo Award
- Seumas McNally Grand Prize
crimzonflame
Member
I voted for the One Piece game.
Demon Lizardman
Banned
Hey guys, a friend I know from a website I used to visit called MFGG is making a game called A Hat in Time, it's on Steam Greenlight. You guys should vote for it to support him.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=92952101
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=92952101
batteryLeakage
Neo Member
From a consumer perspective, I think greenlight is horrible. Valve shouldn't greenlight games that aren't done or just around the corner. There are so many pie-in-the-sky games that are getting greenlit that I imagine will either never come out or be a POS when it does. Its all the "We're a small team looking to deliver an AAA MMO with all the stats and customization". All the while we see all the interesting small games that are more or less ready to go in eternal limbo. Its a shame because I was excited when I heard the concept.
Chairmanchuck
Member
Because at the beginning it was okay.
Then Valve changed it and even Indieteams, who already have Games on Steam, need to go through the hassle of Greenlight to get their Games on Steam...
And I can not understand why titles like Mutant Mudds or La Mulana still arent greenlighted, when worse games or "Prototypes" or Games that will come out 2014 are greenlighted...