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KingSnake
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(10-19-2017, 03:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Jackpot

MP maps are fundamentally different in design. SP maps are more linear and build in intensity as you progress. MP maps have 2 protected endzones acting as spawn points and a central section allowing for back-and-forth attacks. I'm fine with edited versions of those maps that reuse their assets, but not just being plunked down in there with bots and told to "win" the round to advance the story.

Originally Posted by Shari

Reusing assets != reusing maps.

I dont have a problem with mp and sp maps using the same planets as long as they don't use the same maps.

Well, but we don't know that, don't we?

This started based on the fact that the modes have locations in common.
MikeDub
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(10-19-2017, 03:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kinyou

Can't believe that they're still so hesitant to show gameplay

It's going to play like the multiplayer. How many times do we have to go through this PR cycle with games before people realize? If they don't show it then they don't have confidence in it.
Voidwolf
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(10-19-2017, 03:46 PM)
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So many dumb hot takes ITT. Remember back in the day when we played the deep and cinematic campaign in OG BFII? And the non-existant campaign in OG BFI? Good times.

Don't look to Battlefront for an extensive singleplayer Star Wars campaign. This will be a pleasant bonus on top of all the cool stuff we're getting in this game.
Shari
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(10-19-2017, 03:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by SG-17

Its because the "red flags" you are "seeing" are a result of Battlefield 1 or other previous DICE campaigns. Since SWBF2's campaign isn't being made by DICE those "red flags" aren't relevant.

Nope I dont have any previous DICE campaign experience because quite frankly haven't played any, just got info off internet that it wasn't worth my time.

My red flags are several trailers while no gameplay is shown at all and a image previously posted showing that there are 4 maps exclusively for the SP (lol, thank you). In short, a whole lot of nothing less than a month away from release.

Thats on my corner, on yours you basically saying this has nothing to do with past SP because its not the same studio, but its same engine and assets and we have no idea of how much budget was allowed.

If you actually take a second to read instead of copypasting the same sentence all over you will find out that no one is questioning the quality of the story that is going to be told within the campaign, doubts come from the gameplay it will feature and the length. And from what we could gather from information and trailers, those questions are totally granted.

Originally Posted by KingSnake

Well, but we don't know that, don't we?

This started based on the fact that the modes have maps in common.

No we dont, yet another trailer has gone by and we still dont know. Three weeks from the game's release and we still dont know.

Originally Posted by Voidwolf

Don't look to Battlefront for an extensive singleplayer Star Wars campaign. This will be a pleasant bonus on top of all the cool stuff we're getting in this game.

Then dont do marketing that will lead to believe this.

Originally Posted by Alienous

I can understand being worried about the quality based on them not demoing a level. The location thing came from a multiplayer focused trailer, so the "and single-player exclusively has these locations" didn't strike me as odd. Overall though they haven't been showing much, and they've shown the same sequences repeatedly, so I'm not expecting it to be bad as much as I'm expecting it to be ridiculously short.

Fair enough. And to be honest I'd be quite happy about this. Short is not bad. Generic and repetitive is bad.
prag16
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(10-19-2017, 03:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Alienous

Overall though they haven't been showing much, and they've shown the same sequences repeatedly, so I'm not expecting it to be bad as much as I'm expecting it to be ridiculously short.

Yeah, this is what I'm afraid of. I expect what is there to be good. But a super-short campaign would be pretty disappointing. But they've mentioned Kylo Ren shows up, so it has to cover a lot of ground in the timeline. This doesn't automatically mean it'll be lengthy, but hopefully it's at least a tiny bit of a sign it's not SUPER short.
Javier23
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(10-19-2017, 03:48 PM)

Originally Posted by RyanW

You said no one was doing that when it was one of the first posts in the thread.

So one person on the Internet is talking out of their ass. Because obviously when someone says "never", "no one", "everyone", and "always" or uses "literally" for further emphasis he means what he says to a T.

Let's please focus on what's relevant here: we don't know what the SP mode of this game will be like. We don't know if it'll be the best SP a SW game has ever seen or if it will be even worse than that of BF1. We know literally nothing about it because we're only getting cutscenes shown. And somehow I'm the scum of the Earth for being skeptical, not preordering the game right away and waiting to see how it will turn out seeing the precedents in every single game like this.
Doctoglethorpe
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(10-19-2017, 03:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by SG-17

Its because the "red flags" you are "seeing" are a result of Battlefield 1 or other previous DICE campaigns. Since SWBF2's campaign isn't being made by DICE those "red flags" aren't relevant.

That red flag is relevant, DICE are still the lead. Some others include: Battlefront has never had a real campaign, EA shut down Visceral because SP games are dead to them, no gameplay has been shown yet, single player only maps is a weird thing to specify if it itís a regular campaign.
Shari
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(10-19-2017, 03:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Doctoglethorpe

That red flag is relevant, DICE are still the lead. Some others include: Battlefront has never had a real campaign, EA shut down Visceral because SP games are dead to them, no gameplay has been shown yet, single player only maps is a weird thing to specify if it itís a regular campaign.

While I dont think the Visceral affaire has any relevance here, it might tell about how much money has allowed the studio to make this SP campaign.
digitalrelic
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(10-19-2017, 03:52 PM)
This looks fucking amazing. I was on the fence about this game, but now I'm in.
TheVoidDragon
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(10-19-2017, 03:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by Heshinsi

Please don’t have us pivot and join the rebel scum.

If the trailer is anything to go by it heavily implies that is going to happen with the AT-AT attacking Imperial forces from the usual AT-AT gameplay perspective
prag16
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(10-19-2017, 03:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Doctoglethorpe

single player only maps is a weird thing to specify if it itís a regular campaign.

Might seem like a minor point, but it says "locations". Not "maps". Different implications. At least this aspect, you're reading into too much.
Zereta
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(10-19-2017, 04:01 PM)
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Hmmm so much of that was re-used footage too, I wonder why we aren't seeing more gameplay gameplay.

Still, its a canon star wars story and I want it. The prequel book was real good.
Plasmids
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(10-19-2017, 04:02 PM)
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Will wait for reviews on this now I think.
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(10-19-2017, 04:05 PM)
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Hands-On With Star Wars Battlefront II's Single-Player Campaign:
http://www.gameinformer.com/games/st...-campaign.aspx

Interestingly, some of the firefights here can be skipped, if you are feeling too moral to shoot some celebrating Rebels from the grassy knoll.

While the larger space of Endor does not quite have a Halo-like quality of tackling encounters any way you see fit, there is a lot less linearity to the level design than in the cramped hallways of the prologue chapter. You can sneak around the enemy, attack from behind, or lead a group of pursuers into a small enough space where you can take them all out with a grenade.

Pie and Beans
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(10-19-2017, 04:06 PM)
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Re-used cutscenes from slightly different angle and not a scrap of gameplay. This is gonna be super short or shit or something.

Imagine struggling to make a story based Star Wars videogame. After all the amazing ones in the past. "HOW DO DIS?"
Albino_Yeti
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(10-19-2017, 04:07 PM)
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They're 100 % gonna cop out and make the main character join the Rebels aren't they? I hope not, but I'm prepared for the worst.

Kinda wish we got something similar to SWBF2's campaign, where you follow the 501st across the Clone Wars and Civil War, but I can see how that would be considered lazy since it's already been done.
Valar Morghulis
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(10-19-2017, 04:08 PM)
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Looks good, not much new to see though...Just glad DICE isn't working on it, they're campaigns have been forgettable since BC2, don't know how either since that one is fantastic.

Don't give a damn about locations since just about every game uses the same locations for SP and MP....
spectator
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(10-19-2017, 04:09 PM)

Originally Posted by Pie and Beans

This is gonna be super short or shit or something.

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nightstalker962
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(10-19-2017, 04:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by Pie and Beans

Re-used cutscenes from slightly different angle and not a scrap of gameplay. This is gonna be super short or shit or something.

Imagine struggling to make a story based Star Wars videogame. After all the amazing ones in the past. "HOW DO DIS?"

Preach. Itís. Not. Fucking. Hard.

God, they had to give the Star Wars license to these scumbags.
Voidwolf
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(10-19-2017, 04:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shari

Then dont do marketing that will lead to believe this.

They haven't. What part of their marketing has made it seem like we're getting a unique 8-12 hour campaign? Only thing they've bragged about is having a couple of locations exclusive to the campaign. It's not the most clear marketing but they haven't made false claims either. If you follow Dice's track record (yeah they aren't making the campaign but it's still their game) and the history of the Battlefront franchise then common sense should point you in the right direction. At worst, our assumptions are confirmed at release and at best we are surprised with a much better campaign than expected.

Nobody buys these games, or any Dice games, for the singleplayer experience. The people constantly shitposting about it have no reason to do so.
HellforLeather
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(10-19-2017, 04:11 PM)
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Im expecting a Battlefield 4 style campaign. Not quite MP bot mode, but not quite up to the level of a real SP campaign.
Toxi
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(10-19-2017, 04:13 PM)
Iden Versio continuing the strange trend of every dark-skinned woman in the Imperial navy wearing a ponytail.

Maybe it's the hip fashion trend of A Long Time Ago.

Originally Posted by Albino_Yeti

They're 100 % gonna cop out and make the main character join the Rebels aren't they? I hope not, but I'm prepared for the worst.

It's either that or have her experience a Cienna Ree-style breakdown with the creeping realization that she's on the wrong side.
Plinko
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(10-19-2017, 04:13 PM)
So they finally make a single-player mode, and they make you play as the Empire? What a stupid decision.
Vire
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(10-19-2017, 04:14 PM)
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Who made it if it wasn't DICE?
Toa TAK
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(10-19-2017, 04:14 PM)

Originally Posted by Toxi

Iden Versio continuing the strange trend of every dark-skinned woman in the Imperial navy wearing a ponytail.

lol Now that you mention it...
TangoAlphaLima
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(10-19-2017, 04:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Plinko

So they finally make a single-player mode, and they make you play as the Empire? What a stupid decision.

I think they'll make her flip to the Rebellion. It's the only thing way this thing makes sense.
Toa TAK
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(10-19-2017, 04:15 PM)

Originally Posted by Plinko

So they finally make a single-player mode, and they make you play as the Empire? What a stupid decision.

Itís awesome, you get to play with the Enpireís toys.

Then the Rebels later on.
Voidwolf
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(10-19-2017, 04:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Vire

Who made it if it wasn't DICE?

Motive, studio under Jade Raymon, written by the guy who wrote Spec Ops: The Line and Mitch Dyer.
Bill R Boggess
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(10-19-2017, 04:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by ElzarTheBam

Let me say it say before the thread gets shitted up


The campaign is NOT made by DICE.


Thank you for your cooperation.

It won't matter, sadly.

But thanks for trying anyway...
HellforLeather
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(10-19-2017, 04:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by Toa TAK

Itís awesome, you get to play with the Enpireís toys.

Then the Rebels later on.

Yeah, how many SP Star Wars games has there been where you play as the Rebels? Like...all of them (except for Tie Fighter?)

It will be cool to play around as a stormtrooper for a while but theres no way in hell she stays with the Empire by the end of the game. Im guessing right around the mid point she switches.
Dreams-Visions
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(10-19-2017, 04:18 PM)
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Very nice trailer but I will remain skeptical. Hopefully it delivers in the story and length.
Bill R Boggess
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(10-19-2017, 04:19 PM)
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I really like the protagonist of this campaign (and the actress who plays her) but I hope they don't nerf Luke by allowing her to get the drop on him. Even if she sneaks up behind him, Skywalker should have her disarmed before she knows what's happening.
Salty Rice
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(10-19-2017, 04:20 PM)
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They gotta sell all the loot boxes or EA shuts down all studios involved.

Also not hope the story gonna be 4 hour of map play and 15 min of cutscences thrown in.
Spacecowboy77
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(10-19-2017, 04:21 PM)
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Looks good, probably the only thing I'm excited about this game
Glass Rebel
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(10-19-2017, 04:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shari

The fact that one month to the game we haven't seen a proper gameplay video for the campaign speaks really loud.

I mean, at this point IĎm just hoping for ~2h of cutscenes that we can cut together and call Inferno Squad: A Star Wars Story.
Boss X
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(10-19-2017, 04:21 PM)
Someone refresh my memory, did the original Battlefronts have stellar AAA campaign like everyone here is wishing this 2017 version will have? Because if I remember correctly it was just stages where you advanced through bots and NO cut scenes, at least on the PSP Renegade Squadron.
SG-17
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(10-19-2017, 04:22 PM)
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^Bots on multiplayer maps with narrated slideshows for cutscenes in the 2005 SWBF2.

Originally Posted by Plinko

So they finally make a single-player mode, and they make you play as the Empire? What a stupid decision.

There are less than a handful of Star Wars games where you play as the Empire.


Plus I'm getting Iden is going to be the new Mara Jade here.
Spartancarver
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(10-19-2017, 04:23 PM)

Originally Posted by Boss X

Someone refresh my memory, did the original Battlefronts have stellar AAA campaign like everyone here is wishing this 2017 version will have? Because if I remember correctly it was just stages where you advanced through bots and NO cut scenes, at least on the PSP Renegade Squadron.

Nope, they didn't. They were straight 1:1 MP maps filled with bots.

People are just shitposting / concern-trolling. Guarantee 99% of them were never planning on getting the game in the first place.
Mikey Jr.
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(10-19-2017, 04:25 PM)
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You have my interest ea.

You want my purchase?

Show me a complete level in your game of actual gameplay.
FN-2187
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(10-19-2017, 04:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by Fantastapotamus

Really hope the game doesn't end with you realizing that the Empire is actually bad and swapping sides. I hate it when games do that.

I hope that DOES happen! I want my protagonist to realize that fascism is evil, switch sides and go on a BJ Blazkowicz-style imperial killing spree.
RoboPlato
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(10-19-2017, 04:27 PM)
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Same cutscene clips we've been seeing for months with a couple gif length gameplay clips. I have no confidence in the campaign being anything substantial at this point. Even BF1 released gameplay footage of the one good campaign mission.
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(10-19-2017, 04:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by Boss X

Someone refresh my memory, did the original Battlefronts have stellar AAA campaign like everyone here is wishing this 2017 version will have? Because if I remember correctly it was just stages where you advanced through bots and NO cut scenes, at least on the PSP Renegade Squadron.

I remember some kind of connecting videos, but most of them were movie clips I think.

There were a couple change ups in Battlefront 2 (the only one with what could be considered a "campaign" aside from the handheld games) from the MP objectives but for the most part, yeah, it was basically just bot mode.
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(10-19-2017, 04:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by Toxi

Iden Versio continuing the strange trend of every dark-skinned woman in the Imperial navy wearing a ponytail.

What's she supposed to do? Unleash it to flow freely? She's in the military after all.
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(10-19-2017, 04:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Boss X

Someone refresh my memory, did the original Battlefronts have stellar AAA campaign like everyone here is wishing this 2017 version will have? Because if I remember correctly it was just stages where you advanced through bots and NO cut scenes, at least on the PSP Renegade Squadron.

The console releases had limited cutscenes with mostly briefings tying the combat together. The battlefields were retooled to feel more scripted and filled with objectives that carried a semblance of a narrative throughline. You still experience them in a somewhat similar manner to MP, but it isnít really the same experience as a mp game given the tweaks.

So no, they never were comparable to an Uncharted or even Jedi Knight-like experience but expectations werenít at all the same. People were mostly thrilled to get a massively mp experience on console alone and a Star Wars one at that! This was the PS2 era afterall.
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(10-19-2017, 04:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by Boss X

Someone refresh my memory, did the original Battlefronts have stellar AAA campaign like everyone here is wishing this 2017 version will have? Because if I remember correctly it was just stages where you advanced through bots and NO cut scenes, at least on the PSP Renegade Squadron.

Not sure what a game that was developed by a different developer, published by a different publisher and released over a decade ago has to do with this.
Plinko
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(10-19-2017, 04:30 PM)

Originally Posted by SG-17


There are less than a handful of Star Wars games where you play as the Empire.


Plus I'm getting Iden is going to be the new Mara Jade here.

So? That doesn't make it a good choice. It actually takes away any interest I had in it. How many people actually watch a beloved movie series like this and root for the bad guys? It makes absolutely no sense from a business perspective.
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Originally Posted by Voidwolf

Motive, studio under Jade Raymon, written by the guy who wrote Spec Ops: The Line and Mitch Dyer.

Interesting, so this is their first go at bat? Let's see what they got.

The fact that they keep recycling the same footage over and over with barely any gameplay isn't exactly inspiring confidence though.
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(10-19-2017, 04:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by Plinko

So? That doesn't make it a good choice. It actually takes away any interest I had in it. How many people actually watch a beloved movie series like this and root for the bad guys? It makes absolutely no sense from a business perspective.

The Empire did nothing wrong.

Don't believe this Rebel Scum.

Sign up at your nearest Imperial recruiting office today.
Toxi
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(10-19-2017, 04:33 PM)

Originally Posted by Toa TAK

lol Now that you mention it...

Seriously





Also Brunson from Rebels, but I couldn't find any pics where her hair is clearly visible.

Originally Posted by prag16

What's she supposed to do? Unleash it to flow freely? She's in the military after all.

It's not like every woman in the empire is wearing a ponytail though. Hence why it's a noticeable trend here. :P
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(10-19-2017, 04:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Plinko

So? That doesn't make it a good choice. It actually takes away any interest I had in it. How many people actually watch a beloved movie series like this and root for the bad guys? It makes absolutely no sense from a business perspective.

I mean it's Star Wars, not some generic movie series. People love the Empire. The tech, the aesthetics, the ships, the characters. Why else do you think all of the major cosplay and fan stuff is centered around the Empire?

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