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Rumor: Switch developer information leaked. Reveals A TON incl. hardware specs
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Yeah, me too.
Milly Osworth
Member
I actually kind of like it that this thing will be just a gaming device. It keeps it simple. I just browse on my phone and so does the majority of people.
It's not like having a web browser would make it not a gaming device. I don't understand the simple angle either, what's complicated about having the option of a web browser. Nothing wrong with more options.
that marketing working wonders
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think this may be the first major game system released in the 21st century without a web browser. Just because the browsers on game systems tend to be shoddy doesn't mean they're never used.
EDIT: You can stop correcting me now, I know I'm wrong.
xbox
gamecube
ps2
were all released in the 21st century
edit: omg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPwAU53dGxk
My bad. DC threw me off.
Still, web browsers are pretty much an expected feature of a game system in this day and age.
runnin_blue
Banned
It seems strange to omit a user web browser. I can only assume it's for the aforementioned prevention of possible exploits.
Tbh though, I never used a web browser on a gaming console, I find them too clunky and my smartphone is always within arms reach, so I don't really give a shit.
Tbh though, I never used a web browser on a gaming console, I find them too clunky and my smartphone is always within arms reach, so I don't really give a shit.
You're wrong
The only Nintendo system to release with a web browser was the WiiU.
You could buy the Wii internet channel app from the eshop for $5 on the Wii, but it didn't launch with that feature and it was never baked into the operating system, it was always an add on channel, though they did stop charging for it eventually.
It's also worth noting that the 360 did not launch with internet explorer, and the PS3s browser was crippled and infrequently updated.
Console browsers are also notorious for not supporting plugins, flash, or streaming content.
PS4 and XBOX ONE's browsers solve some of these problems, but are still not as good as the browser even on your phone.
It's not an expected feature. It's an afterthought. A me too feature. And they work like shit.
As stated above, I was wrong, but I didn't mean released with a web browser already there. Wii had a web browser, even if not at launch, DS had a web browser sold separately as well.
I won't be lost without a web browser on my Switch, I have an iPod touch I can use for that, but it would've been nice, and I'll be a bit miffed if there's no way to log into free wifi hotspots that require you to click "I Agree" on a webpage as most do.
And just for kicks, since you're addressing me directly, PS4 and XB1 don't have a browser as good as an LG Cosmos 2 feature phone with no data plan?
Yes they launched browsers after launch.
There was confirmation that a web applet will allow for captive portal login as well as in game/app web content.
Not to mention that, you know, times change.
The PS3, PS4, PSV, XB1 all launched with some kind of web browser. It's simply an expectation for a modern console to be able to access the web in some way. Even more baffling when the console is basically a tablet which is the ideal form-factor for web content.
Again, not a huge omission, but a strange one regardless. I think there are many signs that this console is coming in very hot and they simply weren't able to get the software up to par in time.
It didn't. The internet channel was a demo that came out shortly after launch. It didn't come at launch and was never preinstalled on the system. If you participated in the beta you got upgraded six months later to the full version for free. If you hadn't, you paid to download it from the eshop for 500 points.
So can someone not just make their own captive portal login page at home which actually loads custom code attempting to crack the Switch's security?
That depends on whether there are open vulnerabilities in the web applet that can be used to pop a shell.
I'm going to assume that scripts will be all but disabled to reduce the attack surface.
Speaking of, I might try doing just that when I get it. Would be a fun diversion.
That's kind of my whole point. What will likely be a minor hurdle to the people trying to crack the system comes at the cost of a feature that a lot of people want (as evidenced by people complaining that it's not there.)
I bought my Wii in its later years and didn't have to pay for Opera.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
http://caniuse.com/#search=es6
Besides modules, for which you have tons of polyfills for, ES6 is pretty much standard now.
Or they just didn't want to bake it into the OS like the other browsers on other consoles.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
Since the Wii U gamepad was the best thing ever for browsing porn video sites (you can skip or rewind with your left thumbstick!), this will be sorely missed on the Switch.
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Herb Alpert
Banned
Mindblown!
And then they credited everyone who paid 500 points for it with their full 500 points back.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Ok. You're trying to make a point here, but I'm failing to see it.
Browser wasn't available at launch, WAS offered as a paid application, then was made free 3 years after launch. It's cool that people got their money back. Nintendo always seem to find a way to do their customers a solid when they realize they've made a silly decision like this.
Ambassador program is another that always comes to mind.
I think it's more about getting the web browsing security up to par to prevent jailbreaking so early in its lifecycle.
Milly Osworth
Member
I'm speaking from my own perspective, obviously. I wouldn't use the Switch browser. And just because everyone is doing it doesn't mean Nintendo should. Something the Switch really needs though is a Youtube and Netflix app.
ChrisMahoney
Banned
Nintendo still could have planned for retail Parker. Or just a die shrunk X1
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Still, isn't the main point that the Wii had a browser in 2007 (?), but the Switch doesn't in 2017. And it's a tablet-like device, making it an even weirder omission.
EDIT: I probably wouldn't use it much either, since I have a smartphone on me at all times. But still.
The only point I was trying to make was that Wii had a web browser. You were pushing the fact that it was paid and my counterpoint was that the fee was refunded.
I just foresee a lot of casuals and less-informed gamers being bewildered when their brand new tablet device they bought in 2017 can't load a web page, and a lot of the core audience wishing we had the feature as well.
I'm hyped as hell for Switch and have my preorder in, so I'm not trying to just come in here and crap on Nintendo, I just think they've made some odd decisions here that will affect me and other fans.
What is a "retail Parker"?
And NVIDIA has to develop a die shrink, or any other changes.
Herb Alpert
Banned
Even Nvidia didn't use it for its Shield!
You know what, Nintendo should have release the Switch in 4 years because the tech will be better. Or perhaps 8 years because it will be even more performing.
Heavy's Sandvich
Member
xbox 360 didnt have one until much later on.
Parker is X2
X2 was revealed in September, and availability for The SoC was Q4 2016. Drive PX2 is a Parker based solution for self driving cars, but is a wholly different product that uses Parker like the PX1 uses the X1.
People keep getting confused about Parker the chip vs Drive PX2 which contains two Parker chips and two additional GPUs.
Also, based on this documentation they were using Jetson TX1 in their first dev units. We know they are using a custom Tegra solution and not a stock X1. That's straight from Nvidia.
That could potentially mean they removed features from the X1 and called it custom, or that they switched to the updated SoC due to the shift in release schedule
Sorry for more speculation. It doesn't matter to me in the long run because I'm going to buy and enjoy the system either way.
Gotcha, no I wasn't accusing you of shitting on anything, its certainly an... interesting decision, but certainly not unprecedented, especially for Nintendo.
Of course the joke is that they likely will.
So you are saying there was never any hope of 16nm, double bus width, or anything that significantly deviates from a standard tx1 at all, because that wasn't available when Nintendo started drawing up their plans?
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
using a web browser on a console is a nightmare so i won't miss it.
i want a switch to play games not browse the internet.
i want a switch to play games not browse the internet.
Well it's probably fp16. So in "real console terms" 1/2 that.
Of course it's silly. If my wife wanted to play on a Switch but I had put on parental controls I'd have to set up the app for her and teach her how to use it etc. She's quite resistant to that sort of thing. Also what if you have a teenager and you want to allow them to game more than your younger child but don't want to give them control of the console's parental controls.
Not tying parental controls to an account is just backwards and there would be little extra work involved.
Maedre
Banned
1024 flops per cycle =/= 1024 gflops.
This chips has at best ~800 Gflops @16FP and 400@ 32FP.
Sorry, I've missed loads, but is 20nm now confirmed?
Maedre
Banned
Nothing is confirmed
Its the only thing that makes sense if Eurogamers clock speeds are correct and it has a fan.
Also the most significant difference between pascal and maxwell is process node, so calling it maxwell doesnt make sense if its 16nm.
No, it is still as likely/unlikely as it always has been. Nothing new to suggest either 20nm or 16nm, especially since this thing (and other leaks too btw) makes no mention of process node.
boneyjangles
Member
Good call, browsers are tough to do these days. Try running certain websites on a 3-4 year old phone, And that's a device that is focused almost primarily on loading websites, with constant updates.
Jon Carter
Member
This... ?
I'm not sure what the name of the product is here. Is it "The Amazing Spider-Man 2" or "Check the Classification"?
I like to side-note that the Wii e-manuals where browser based, though technically not backed into the system since each game shipped its own Home Menu.
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