CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Remember how I said that Youtube wasn't "draino swilling incompetent enough to not have worked out some of the kinks" in the thread about how this was going to be a thing? Looks like I was wrong.
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Massive Gaming YouTube Channels Getting 100s of Flagged Videos Continuously
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Marauder Shields
Member
Controlling the PR message.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
You seem to be under the impression that lawsuits are cheap. Most YTers don't make as much as you seem to think they do.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Most small businesses do not need to spend the bulk of their time and resources dealing with quasi-regulatory challenges to their right to operate a business. Moreover, these specific small businesses have not historically had to spend quite so much time and resources to do so. As a result, it is harder for them to do business today and the future of their revenue stream is less certain. In any other sector of business, looking at a structural shift in the regulatory environment and arguing that it negatively impacts you and you want to work with regulators to come up with a better solution is not considered "whining for money".
Intheflorsh
Banned
In this case, I think they see LPs as people making money off their content. I don't think they have an end game outside of the misguided desire to protect their IP.
Welcome to our world!
Youtube flagged & removed my video soon as it hit 1 million views & it only showed you how to hack some android game & the game wasn't really showed in the game only the menu.
it wasn't even a copyright thing they just removed it & said it violated something.
Youtube flagged & removed my video soon as it hit 1 million views & it only showed you how to hack some android game & the game wasn't really showed in the game only the menu.
it wasn't even a copyright thing they just removed it & said it violated something.
Worth mentioning that most publishers already had policies about monetizing videos of their games.
YouTube had just turned a blind eye to it before if you were in a partner network, but now they're getting more stringent about enforcing rules that were technically in place already.
Indirectly, maybe. The videos aren't going away.
YouTube had just turned a blind eye to it before if you were in a partner network, but now they're getting more stringent about enforcing rules that were technically in place already.
Indirectly, maybe. The videos aren't going away.
DoubleTake
Member
I remember the good old days when publisher's problem was with pirates. Apparently they were everywhere and were causing pubs to lose MILLIONS of dollars.
Now is the war on Youtube streamers, who deny publishers MILLIONS of sales by playing video games on their channel. UGHHH
Now is the war on Youtube streamers, who deny publishers MILLIONS of sales by playing video games on their channel. UGHHH
It sucks that TotalBiscuit hasn't been affected by this.
It would have been amazingly ironic (and hilarious) that some guy who defends DRM to the end of the world would end up losing his livelihood because of the same people he defended.
but of course, nothing good can happen in this world.
It would have been amazingly ironic (and hilarious) that some guy who defends DRM to the end of the world would end up losing his livelihood because of the same people he defended.
but of course, nothing good can happen in this world.
SlasherJPC
Banned
You must be using Youtubes monetization then and not partnered. Being partnered usually prevented this from happening. Not anymore.
The best way to "rise up" is to just leave youtube.
It's probably not feasible, since you'd loose too much audience but it would be nice if it was.
Deckard Cain
Banned
Sucks but using other people's content is a slippery slope. I can't say I didn't see this coming.
Sure, now you can work for free for the publishers.
Jim Sterling
Member
Oh, publishers and their insecure need for control at every level.
I feel really sorry for those who made a living doing this.
Had a video I did flagged today. Still up, but no longer monetized. Thankfully I don't have to care about money.
I'll be interested to see which outlets get "allowed" to showcase games on YouTube, and what limitations/agreements will be in case for that allowance to happen.
I feel really sorry for those who made a living doing this.
Had a video I did flagged today. Still up, but no longer monetized. Thankfully I don't have to care about money.
I'll be interested to see which outlets get "allowed" to showcase games on YouTube, and what limitations/agreements will be in case for that allowance to happen.
PC devs know the value of a strong community. Console devs obviously don't.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
The same has applied for films and music for a long time, and these rules have technically always existed for gaming. I'm actually surprised it's taken them this long to get around to enforcing this for gaming.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
Possibly, but it seems more likely he's been set as a "managed" channel as others have suggested.
So watching someone play Dark souls or street fighter is just like playing yourself?
bigboss370
Member
I just want to point out its not always "free marketing" because some of the videos take on a negative critique about the product, while also giving an extended, unedited look at the product, ie. giving everything away.
I'm shocked it has gone on this long. I don't want anyone to lose their livelyhood but every other industry has been way more strict. Some people should be thankful they have done as well as they have.
In a perfect world this wouldnt be happening but I figured years ago publishers would be dropping the axe.
Intheflorsh
Banned
How much longer until youtube makes it impossible for all of the general public to monetize videos?
SeventhSon
Member
CorporateTube
Do even watch his video? He was simply making a argument that used games are bad for developers. He said several times that he doesn't support Xbox One's DRM. He often calls himself a consumer advocate and stood up against things like Sim City's shitty DRM. Please actually watch his videos before you spit out this drivel.
Here is his reaction to the whole DRM reversal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDpOKP3WFHQ
SneakyStephan
Banned
That last bit is why they're doing this, isn't it...
so they can decide who gets paid and have them eating out of their hands to not fall out of favor...
Kind of like the gaming press today, but then with the community...
So this looks bad, and on a subjective scale to the people affected it is really bad. But the risks for Youtube on the other end of this are so huge that even an apocalypse for their users is acceptable if it might help them in court.
UnforgivenTwin
Member
Does anyone else think this will push people away from youtube and on to another site?
PotionBleue
Member
That's how it was from 2006 to 2010 and there was already quality video game content. No YouTuber was complaining about not getting paid for work.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
No, but it is using content that you have no rights to be making money from.
Feel there is also the due dilligence side to it.
Why would companies choose to not gain ad money from their own content.
Yeah I know the usual answers.
But the accountants only see the income column on their spreadsheet.
Monetization is still pretty damn easy if your video doesn't have copyrighted content in it. Vlogging, skits, general video content of people/places/things, etc.
Nobody's getting taken down AFAIK.
Videos can be muted if the company chooses to do so. They can also block the video entirely.
Like they did to one of my Kingdom Hearts 3D videos.
How are most of these fair use? While fair use is a reasonable defense to copyright violation in some circumstances, and ultimately has to be arbitrated, many of these videos don't really fit into any of the accepted definitions of fair use. A Let's Play isn't a limited use for commentary/criticism purposes, it's a complete play through of the game. The same goes for the one doing cut-scenes rearranged into little movies.
And if they're making money off the videos, that's a pretty good indication that no reasonable court is going to find these videos a fair use of copyrighted work.
lol. Livelihoods. Okay.
It was a bubble. Anyone who thinks you could make a profit off of playing a developers game forever was daft. Take those goofy voices and ridiculous personas and head to Hollywood if you're that obsessed with being on camera.
You don't need/aren't entitled to the game footage to talk about or have a monetized video about gaming. If you want to monetize then there should be an option to license the content for a percentage from the developer.
But now, only publisher approved content makers get money.. you know a bit of pocket money for the good work..
If you are critical however....
While true, the easy of which it's possible to essentially shut down someone's site for nothing is alarming. I have a Content ID dispute that expires on tuesday from Beyond 2 Souls, not from Quantic Dream or Sony, but through some random Arab broadcasting company because a 20 second piece of background arabic over gunfire sounds very similar to something they produced with background arabic over gunfire. It killed my ability to upload videos longer than 10 minutes and destroyed whatever schedule I had for the lets play.
This is going to get way worse before it gets better.
They partner with Machinima, so they're under the gun just as much as everyone else.
It means that people who have the ability to host and serve files locally will have to. Hell, Videogamer.com can't put up their event spoof videos because of copyright issues from TV affiliates.
All this stuff is about to get way more expensive and difficult to get into.
SlasherJPC
Banned
From what someone who I know is under Polaris.... from what he said on twitter, he is fine and he is smaller then other channels. So all their people are automatically managed state it seems aka.... good to go.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
Pretty sure monetization started well before 2010. And gaming content, to me, has only seemed to have been improving on YT, and I don't think that's coincidental
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
...I don't think you grasp the commitment associated with following through on a lawsuit, and the associated expenses and time that go with it, do you?
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
And it's not only Let's Plays being affected by this. It's potentially any type of gaming-related video that uses any kind of footage
Depends on how good the monetization options are on other sites; youtube seems to be the king on this.
Then again, other sites still have to obey the DMCA in america; it's just that youtube took the dmca and added their own systems to make publishers control of their work easier.