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Dragon Ball Z: Revival of F Spoiler Thread
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Even when goku isn't the strongest or even the one who saves the day... he's the one who saves the day.
See: Cell Saga.
Gohan beats Cell.
<Gohan> Thanks dad!
<Everyone> Thanks Goku!
<Trunks> Thanks father, and you gohan, and ESPECIALLY you Goku!
In the Buu Saga, Goku's weaker than Gotenks and Gohan at the end, but gets to land the killing blow anyways. And it's through Vegeta's planning and Mr Satan's charisma that the world is saved, actually. In fact, Goku held back against Buu instead of trying to kill him waaaay early on. And then he held back against Kid Buu to give Vegeta a turn. They need to use the dragon balls to restore Goku's power so he can do what he should have done in the first place. He still gets called a hero.
THANKS GOKU.
BoG he gets his ass kicked, Vegeta does better than him, but he gets the God power up. THANKS GOKU.
Revival of F he gets his ass kicked, Vegeta does better than him, Whis ALTERS TIME ITSELF and lets Goku get the win. THANKS GOKU.
When goku wins, THANKS Goku.
When Goku dies, THANKS GOKU.
When goku lets the villain win, THANKS GOKU.
When Goku is outclassed by other fighters, THANKS GOKU!
When Shikamaru avenged Asuma, Asuma's ghost didn't say "THANKS NARUTO!"
Did he?
Did he really?
Yes he did, Son-Goku only gave mental support from the Otherworld. If you want to contest Gohan's victory here, why don't you post an image of Vegeta distracting Cell with a Ki Blast to the back of his head when he was just about to overpower Gohan completely?
I'm curious if Toriyama has offered an explanation on this. I'm too lazy to go look.
DragonSworne
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iirc he said he tried to make Gohan the new main character but ultimately he didn't feel like Gohan had the right "stuff" or whatever
Yeah I know that much but I mean any recent comments about it and if he knows fans who like him are dissatisfied.
so what you're saying is that goku is obama
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Xpike
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yes, that's why he and Trunks could go SSJ at age 4
Hero Prinny
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RIGHT!? gohan used to be my favorite character but toriyama turned him into a fucking dweeb man -_- idc tho, teen gohan>all.
NeonZ
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Tenshinhan was talking about training just to see his own limits years before Vegeta realized that that was Goku's motivation, rather than fighting for others or to surpass someone else. Tenshinhan is just condemned to irrelevancy for not being a Saiyan.
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AnkiRendan
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I thought the reason everyone expected more of Vegeta was because of a comment Toriyama made in the past.
Despite how horrible this sounds (the finishing moment, I mean) I can't say I'm too surprised. The actual series are another thing, but when it comes to the movies I can't say I've ever heard of a situation where the main character wasn't the one who dealt the finishing blow or who got the final battle. Even in those shitty Hunter x Hunter movies Gon was the one to finish it, and in the grand scheme of things he really sucks.
Despite how horrible this sounds (the finishing moment, I mean) I can't say I'm too surprised. The actual series are another thing, but when it comes to the movies I can't say I've ever heard of a situation where the main character wasn't the one who dealt the finishing blow or who got the final battle. Even in those shitty Hunter x Hunter movies Gon was the one to finish it, and in the grand scheme of things he really sucks.
Gohan was always a dweeb. He just had the excuse of being a little kid at first.
roflwaffles
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At least he gets some time to shine before he gets bodied. Piccolo, the only character in the cast who isn't a complete idiot, is a babysitter by the last season. Meanwhile, Goku is holding back against everyone putting the world in jeopardy, Vegeta has some insecurity problems putting the world in jeopardy, Gohan becomes the strongest character ever and proceeds fails horribly, and the two kids are just awful. DBZ characters just dont know how to get shit done.
Nintendoga
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I was gonna say above all at least Krillin didn't die but uh yeah...earth blows up...again.
That's true. My friends and I are always laughing about how many people wouldn't have had to die if the Z fighters would just stop eating shit.
Chaotic-Strike
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Freeza is clearly the greatest character since he managed to kill Mr. Satan.
Hero Prinny
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i should rephrase that i guess, yes he always had some dweeb in him but when it was time to get serious he'd get serious. he lost that after the cell saga, just became a full on dweeb. i don't know what other's opinion on the great sayiaman are but i hate it, flat out hate everything about it. full potential unlocked was pretty cool, we just never see it though. its just always "KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!" with him now, i mean look at his design in this movie, freaking awful. not a fan
Really unfair if you think about it. Krillin gets shat on for dying so often, but half the time it's when some asshole decides to just blow the entire planet up, the first time he was killed becaused he was exhausted from the tournament and couldn't fight back (or just straight up murdered from behind, manga isn't exactly clear about this) - that very same monster would then go on and beat the shit out of Goku for the same reason. Pretty much the same on Namek.
The only DB character who should be ridiculed for their death is and stays Yamcha. What a loser.
MaximumSpider
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It's weird but it's really hard taking a planet blowing up in this series seriously.
Spinosaurus
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So wait if it wasn't for Whis' hax shit Frieza technically won?
I'm...OK with that.
I'm...OK with that.
Space Runaway
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Possibly though he may have been killed in the future Trunks timeline.
So if they were to make a new series, how would you guys/girls structure it? I'm not even sure if I would want these movies to be canon. I'd probably say start from after the Cell saga, and focus on small cast where every character gets their sign and all have their quirks. Goku can still be main character but not as much emphasis on him. Or perhaps new cast/universe entirely.
KidA Seven
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Vegeta was only winning because Goku had weakened him. Even if Vegeta got the kill it would have been due to coming 2nd. It's not like he fought a fresh Freiza.
Going by that logic, Goten should be better than Gohan. He was stronger at the same age as kid Gohan.
Vegeta fan boys are angry for some reason. It's like they didn't watch Dragon Ball. Goku is the hero and the show is about him.
Goku enjoys fighting. Vegeta only likes fighting to serve his ego/pride. He's the prince and feels superior to everyone else therefore he must be the best and that is why he trains. Goku trains and fights because he just really loves it and loves seeing how far he can take it. There's a subtle difference, but that's the reason that was given why Goku has been superior to Vegeta the whole time. That's what Vegeta finally realized at the end of the Buu saga.
Krillin didn't die because he was exhausted. Goku beat him without really trying and that was due to a ring out after he had enough. Goku was exhausted because he had just had a grueling fight against Tien and had nothing to eat.
Orochinagis
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Wait, that time travel stuff is real? oh lord
What. No. Vegeta loves fighting. The two love fighting for different reasons but Vegeta clearly keeps training after DBZ knowing he'll never be the best again. He continues to train because he's a pure blooded saiyan and all saiyans love fighting.
That reminds me, I always hated how GT portrayed Vegeta and Goku's relationship. I could never put my finger quite on why but I knew a lot of it had to do with how Vegeta was still so bitter about being weaker. iirc, there's even a whole shitty episode devoted to Vegeta rehashing the past and crying about it. I have my gripes with what AT did with the series after DBZ ended but after battle of the gods and the Abo-Cado short, I can safely say that Toriyama's depiction of their rivalry fueled friendship feels exactly like I want it to.
m_shortpants
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I imagine Goku and ChiChi copulated right before the cell games, while Goku and Gohan were just walking around as Super Saiyans...
Soooooooo Goten was conceived from a SSJ sperm.
*Looks around shifty eyed*
KidA Seven
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What I meant to say is that the reason why they push themselves to the limit differs. Vegeta strives to be the best and part of the reason why he wants to be the best is because he feels superior to someone like Goku and others. Goku on the other hand loves to fight to push himself as far as he can go. He just flat out enjoys the challenge.
The difference is what also caused Vegeta to beat up on people weaker than him. He saw himself as superior and enjoyed the thrill of asserting his dominance.
It's a subtle difference, but very key. The Cell fight was a good example. He let Cell reach his perfect form because he wanted to show that he was stronger. Goku would have probably let Cell transform as well, but because he would give him a better fight to test himself.
BladeoftheImmortal
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Who? Dondonpachi?
Seven Force
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I asked a friend to keep me posted on the spoilers today while I was at work. Got a text an hour or two ago reading "goku wins lol"
Tells me all I need to know :|
Tells me all I need to know :|
SnowFlakeCake
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Still waiting for the Kanzenshuu summary before I go crazy.
Check this shit out, Goku literally touches Vegeta every chance he gets. Goku was so excited to fuse with him as well in the Buu Saga, see how they went frontal during the fusion? Check out Vegetas face and then see Gokus, the latter is fucking smitten goddamn. I want this movie summary to happen soon, for example when and how Vegeta hit god mode. Bet he didn't even need the help of another 5 Saiyans unlike Goku, the dude was taking energy from a pregnant woman the sick fuck no wonder Pan ended up all shitty.
Edit - Tried being smart and googled goku and vegeta, first site and it's pic after pic of Goku and Vegeta together, with one of them pregnant in each picture.
Forgot to add SSJ and my eyes are paying for that right about now, these 'artists' are fucked up and require help.
ArtHands
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Still waiting for the Kanzenshuu summary before I go crazy.
Vegeta is so cute HAHAHA
but anyway, its really time to give Vegeta a break. Dude's been training forever, give him something man. He's the guy who's working extra hard in class, but never overtake the smartest guy in class who always nap in class.
You're describing Vegeta throughout dbz, not Vegeta post-dbz
ArtHands
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Goku looks flashy in SSJ mode. Since the promotional media and anime are not canon its ok for them to do so to make such changes to make things look nicer.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
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