CoffeeJanitor
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let's be real though, Vegeta is the biggest jobber in the history of fiction
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Dragon Ball Z: Revival of F Spoiler Thread
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A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Lol saying Goku stole his kill. You know what took away Vegeta's kill? The part where Vegeta dies
Vegeta he eternal buster
Vegeta he eternal buster
Nintendoga
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I'm gonna laugh so hard if the reason Frieza was able to blow up the Earth was cause Vegeta was making the same "You're not dealing with the average Sayain Warrior anymore..." and gets killed in the middle of it.
Then after Whis rewinds time Vegeta finishes his speech by saying he will finally revenge his Sayain race, only to see Goku teleport in and kill Frieza.
Now that I think about it, can't wait to see this movie.
Then after Whis rewinds time Vegeta finishes his speech by saying he will finally revenge his Sayain race, only to see Goku teleport in and kill Frieza.
Now that I think about it, can't wait to see this movie.
I dunno. Aside from Vegeta being 'robbed' of the kill, all I'm really reading about this movie is that it's a nice little ride. Nothing strikes me as awful or bad
And Freeza becoming more powerful doesn't seem that big of a leap. 4 months or whatever may be pushing it, but hell. If he was THAT powerful without training, then I can see it. Gohan sat on his arse for 24 hours and became the strongest non-fused character at the end of Z. So it's not exactly the first time this has happened.
Utterly disappointing. Goku's got a great supporting cast. Hearing that they jobbed in the movies yet again does nothing but deflate any hype I may have had for this film.
The hate for Vegeta seems so misplaced.
Yeah, I don't know why people keep thinking it was the editors clamping on him that made Buu saga so dumb, it was Mr. Toriyama gaining complete freedom that made things dumb.
I mean look at these last 2 movies.
Pureauthor
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Wonder if this movie gets a Director's Cut.
SatoAilDarko
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I mean it's consistent that Vegeta jobs and Goku wins.
Our best chance was Gohan and at least he got a moment which is why Cell Saga is best.
The only problem I have other than how the other Frieza henchman on the cover was explicitly stated to be Zarbon-level but the red guy can beat Piccolo is the whole 3-minute time-travel thing. It adds more stupidity to everything.
I will continue to have Dragonball Z end with the original manga/anime. Buu Saga was a decline and it's only continued ten times worse with these movies.
Our best chance was Gohan and at least he got a moment which is why Cell Saga is best.
The only problem I have other than how the other Frieza henchman on the cover was explicitly stated to be Zarbon-level but the red guy can beat Piccolo is the whole 3-minute time-travel thing. It adds more stupidity to everything.
I will continue to have Dragonball Z end with the original manga/anime. Buu Saga was a decline and it's only continued ten times worse with these movies.
Yeah, it'll have 20% more Vegeta jobbing.
Pureauthor
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I understand why Vegeta losing is a sore point for a lot, but ultimately it's not a big deal.
What is a real problem is that this fight is won via a fucking Reset Button. One granted by a superpowerful being who has seen thousands of planets destroyed before and has no reason to give a shit if one more joins the pile.
What is a real problem is that this fight is won via a fucking Reset Button. One granted by a superpowerful being who has seen thousands of planets destroyed before and has no reason to give a shit if one more joins the pile.
E the Shaggy
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Where's this list of spoilers everyone's looking at?
The Silver
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if it wasn't for his editors Cell, 17, and 18 wouldn't have existed and 19 and 20 would have been the main villains of the saga.
SatoAilDarko
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He was originally was and is gag author. It wasn't really until King Piccolo that stuff got serious.
Look at how great the Cell Saga was with a strong editor. Android 19 and 20 were supposed to be the androids. You know the ones who killed everyone in the future and Trunks was freaked the fuck out by their terror. I like 19 and 20 but they don't work in that role.
He also said semi-perfect Cell looked dumb and to change forms. That guy knew his shit. Why couldn't Buu Saga have that oversight. We have 7 year-old Super-Saiyans, candy rays and fusions which pump up power massively instead.
Sushi.
The Silver
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The chef who made the food at Bulma's party saved the planet.
NeonZ
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Well, he was training Goku and Vegeta. They aren't complete strangers anymore.
He needed Vegeta and Goku's help because he got hurt saving Vegeta's stupid ass. And the Cell fight was clearly Gohan's coming out fight. It was supposed to be the fight that turns him into the hero of the series for good. Even Goku died a stupid and unnecessary death to make sure he doesn't steal the spotlight from Gohan.
At every stage of Gohan's life, Gohan was far more powerful than Goku ever was at the same age and this was true right up till the end of the final Buu fight.
EmCeeGramr
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Good, Vegeta learns his place and Goku takes his place as the true killer of Freeza, which is what he should have been if Vegeta's almost as worthless son hadn't needlessly meddled.
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Xpike
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It really all depends on the execution, if Vegeta is eating Freeza so hard he destroys Earth almost instantly, then it's fine. Goku probably was chosen by Whis because let's just say i wouldn't pick Vegeta to kill someone quickly either.
flaxknuckles
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These new forms would be cooler if the scale actually increased because of them. But we are still supposed to be impressed by dudes blowing up mountains and planets even though Vegeta could do that in the Saiyan saga.
Vegeta better be kicking Freeza's ass something serious and then Freeza just uses a cheap-shot to destroy the Earth. If Goku got owned by SSJ Freeza and Vegeta beats him enough to force him to destroy the Earth, does that mean Vegeta was, temporarily, stronger than Goku in this movie?
Pureauthor
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Golden Freeza got an assist from Sorbet somehow when fighting Goku that allowed him to get an edge. Then when Vegeta stepped up to the plate Freeza had been fighting for a while and was already tired.
I think given balanced and fair circumstances all three are supposed to be roughly equal.
ReplacementPelican
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Well the post-credits scene is Sorbet saying 'it's all going according to plan' or something like that so I'd say we are.
Pureauthor
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Super Saiyan God Vegetto or bust, boys.
The Silver
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The scale of the fights peaked duing Frieza, when you can't fight in space and you're worried about damaging the planet too much there's only so much you can do.
Welfare
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Next movie Gohan is going to be left behind because it's too dangerous.
Chaotic-Strike
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They need some Gurren Lagann stuff going on like them fighting in space and flying past different galaxies in a couple of seconds and blowing them and stuff to really get some hype going.
Provided they get rid of that pesky needing air to breathe hindrance.
Also reading the meltdowns about Vegeta "deserving" a kill and being the determining factor weither the movie is crap or not has been almost more entertaining than the spoilers.
EmCeeGramr
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Next movie Goku will charge up a Spirit Bomb to defeat the villain, but get his ass whooped in the process. He looks over for someone to give it to, but Gohan is a few feet further away then he'd like and Vegeta's got a nasty bruise so he's probably too tired.
"Alright, Mr. Satan! It's your turn!"
And so the two men prove once more why they are the champions of the world.
"Alright, Mr. Satan! It's your turn!"
And so the two men prove once more why they are the champions of the world.
NeonZ
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Next movie will either need to be immediately after this one, or we're going to jump ahead to post end of Z. Well, it also could involve just Goku, Vegeta, Whis and Beerus, out of the existing cast, but I don't think that's likely.
This movie pretty much takes place 5 years before Z's epilogue, which is the last time everyone was together according to it. Considering how they jumped to this date, I think they won't suddenly ignore it afterwards...
The Silver
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they did have an out for them to fight in space by saying God ki allows them to breathe in space or whatever, too bad they didn't use it.
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Xpike
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I hope the next movie will be the last one at least set on this time period. I have no issue with a post DBZ-ending movie with Uub and Pan helping out the other Z Fighters in Revival of C
Chaotic-Strike
Banned
According to AT they were fighting in a part of the atmosphere with some air in it.
It's funny though I was thinking the same thing when BOG came out.
How you going to say that in he same series where emperor pilaf and Yamcha exist.
But no
These are the biggest jobbers in the history of fiction
Aaron Strife
Banned
This is why Pan is the savior of the universe. The granddaughter of Goku and Mr. Satan.
Pureauthor
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"Here, catch!"
Goku tosses the Spirit Bomb, and a split second before the explosion that blows up the world also consumes him, he realizes that someone who built his career and fame on lying his ass off probably doesn't count as pure of heart.
Chaotic-Strike
Banned
Well according to the moderator on Kanzenshuu who saw the movie Sorbet dies before Freeza does so that "all according to plan line" came before Freeza bites the dust.
Shame he gets brought back just to get killed off again, but it looks this movie is a return to the old DBZ movie formula even if it's being written by AT.
Shame he gets brought back just to get killed off again, but it looks this movie is a return to the old DBZ movie formula even if it's being written by AT.
The only backlash has been because of Toriyama's screw ups.
At the end of the Cell Saga, Gohan was the most popular character in the Manga. I don't believe anyone has ever overtaken Goku at any other time.
But the early buu saga, with Gohan revealing that he never trained over a 7 year period, was nowhere near as strong as he was as a little kid, and completely lost all of his fighting instincts (struggling to do anything against Dabura, who was more or less the same strength as Perfect Cell), made fans sour on him, because of his laziness.
He went from being the most popular character in Cell to I believe the #6 character (behind Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, Piccolo, and Goten)
Mentaiko_Allergy
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Haha this is exactly why I can't wait to see this movie. I'm not a Vegeta fanboy but I kinda have a soft spot for him. The question is, what the hell did Vegeta do toriyama to make him hate this character so much? AT is like "ok, let's Phoenix down freeza"and then fans say, you know would be awesome? If Vegeta can finally have revenge for the saiyan race. AT; "nope, fuck that. Goku time warp kamehame ha ftw"
Astral Dog
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what? seriously?
oh, that idea had potential, the henchman actually playing Frieza for...something.
He left a bit out.
It's "Everything is going according to plan. Vegeta jobbed as expected."
Chaotic-Strike
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No Sorbet dies before Freeza.
No, Whis is an actual reality warper. No timeline split going on here. (If my understanding of Whis powers is correct that is)
In case you didn't understand the translators note says that plan means keikaku.
The keikaku meaning Goku will fuck whatever else shows up next and there's not a damn thing non gokus can do about it. Oh and from now on everyone is called non goku except son goku himself.
New movie called Goku Z.
So wait a minute.
Goku gets beaten by Frieza.
Vegeta is winning against Frieza, but Frieza fires off a death ball and destroys the Earth, killing Vegeta in the process because he can't breathe in space (My guess - a quick distraction+charge+fire like Cooler in Cooler's Revenge, except the death ball was aimed at the planet in the first place and not Vegeta).
Goku gets a slight senzu-zenkai boost putting him on Frieza/Vegeta's level, and Whis uses time travel powers to have Goku kill a Frieza fatigued from fighting 2 super saiyan gods just before he decides to fire off a death ball?
goku gets his ass beat, Vegeta kicks frieza's ass, Frieza blows up the earth to win, and Whis uses time hax to let goku kill steal?
Come on. Why not have Vegeta beat Frieza and Goku deflect the death ball? Or have them beat Frieza together? What is the point of time hax other that painting Vegeta in a bad light and making the victory cheap?
Goku gets beaten by Frieza.
Vegeta is winning against Frieza, but Frieza fires off a death ball and destroys the Earth, killing Vegeta in the process because he can't breathe in space (My guess - a quick distraction+charge+fire like Cooler in Cooler's Revenge, except the death ball was aimed at the planet in the first place and not Vegeta).
Goku gets a slight senzu-zenkai boost putting him on Frieza/Vegeta's level, and Whis uses time travel powers to have Goku kill a Frieza fatigued from fighting 2 super saiyan gods just before he decides to fire off a death ball?
goku gets his ass beat, Vegeta kicks frieza's ass, Frieza blows up the earth to win, and Whis uses time hax to let goku kill steal?
Come on. Why not have Vegeta beat Frieza and Goku deflect the death ball? Or have them beat Frieza together? What is the point of time hax other that painting Vegeta in a bad light and making the victory cheap?
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