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Jim Sterling is being sued by Digital Homicide
- Thread starter H1PSTER
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The basis of their lawsuit doesn't seem to have anything to do with the criticism of their games but the personal attacks and continued harassment by the fanbase of the bigger personality along with his failure to address or attempt to stop it. It specifically mentions court summons for the harassers not just Jim.
They also claim they were impersonated at some point in order to make them look worse.
so really, the ultimate takeaway here is videogame fans on the internet are still the worst
because jim didnt do any of that shit
The thing you're missing is that DH is the one that started this whole mess and kept escalating it at every turn, trying many fun things like abusing Youtube's copyright system to try and get Jim's channel taken down, among many other things.
Just from the stuff listed in the Complaint (which, of course, could be taken out of context, etc.) I was only saying that his attacks seemed to go beyond presenting opinions, and in that instance you have to be more careful about being factually accurate.
blankempathy
Member
Unless Jim told his fan base to send them feces or threaten Dh and their family then how is he responsible again? Whatever happened to personal responsibility? So now we can't say anything negative about anyone because some asshat may take it too far?
Obviously these all don't have context yet, but that last item is a strange one. Are they really going to argue that his videos led to lowered sales and a lost promotional budget? Come the fuck on.
Edit: Holy shit, they're asking for a $2.6 MILLION DOLLARS reward? haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Gillian Seed
Banned
Just listed to the interview, and this guy nailed it with this post:
Children on all sides. Jim opens making cheap shots, "I'm surprised I'm talking to an adult hur hur" and the other guy making a bunch of bizarre associations. Both blindly trying to defend accusations each other make without even thinking through the accusation itself. "Did you make money on unprofessional things?" Well, yeah. That's how you grow, right? When has that not been the case?
The dev is just another in the alarmingly high number of indie devs who are basically man-children. What's the deal with this industry? Bunch of shut ins with no bosses who can't conduct themselves like adults. Your audience is going on MY forums!!
My god, this industry is a cesspool!
Children on all sides. Jim opens making cheap shots, "I'm surprised I'm talking to an adult hur hur" and the other guy making a bunch of bizarre associations. Both blindly trying to defend accusations each other make without even thinking through the accusation itself. "Did you make money on unprofessional things?" Well, yeah. That's how you grow, right? When has that not been the case?
The dev is just another in the alarmingly high number of indie devs who are basically man-children. What's the deal with this industry? Bunch of shut ins with no bosses who can't conduct themselves like adults. Your audience is going on MY forums!!
My god, this industry is a cesspool!
Agreed. The Complaint is fairly well done and detailed. Some of it is trivial stuff but there are some real allegations.
Actually, they're asking for $10.7 MILLION DOLLARS lol.
Wat?
You think uploading an hour long, exhausting exposé of a guy clearly not right in the head was the right thing for Jim to do?
Because I don't, and when that happened I wasn't alone in my scrutiny in that thread.
Jim isn't taking on Martin Shkreli here, he's dealing with a dude who is completely delusional, and totally washing his hands of the Internet vigilante-ism that follows each of these videos. You're right, legally Jim is free to do whatever the fuck he wants, but there's a precedent for not involving hundreds of thousands of strangers in your behind-the-scenes phone arguments.
Mase Gumble
Member
These digital homicide lads must be addicted to taking L's or something.
JinjoUnchained
Member
Who would donate to them? Does anyone actually like their games?
Yeah, the damage requests is:
$2.2 MIL Actual damages
$4.3 MIL Reputation damages
$5.0 MIL Punitive damages
$10.7 MIL Total damage (it was added wrong in Complaint, should have been $11.5 MIL).
Glitchesarecool
Member
Wasn't it DH who wanted to do the interview in the first place, and they were the ones who wanted it online for people to hear?
Also I'd hardly call that thing an "exhausting expose."
TheBlueBomber
Member
Yeah, Jim says that in the beginning of the interview, that they wanted to do this in the first place
I should clarify, when I think Pro Se I expect word salad, this is written coherently.
Mexen
Member
Stanton
That guy thinks he lost out in that much money(actual)?
DH are beyond delusional. This "lawsuit" will go absolutely nowhere, no doubt about that.
L4DANathan
Member
Man, I hope Jim counter-sues and wins. I want them to lose money and their lives to get worse.
I don't know how you could listen to the whole hour and change and not be completely over hearing both voices. I meant exhausting as in physically and mentally draining.
And DH is the epitome of bad ideas, it's like the one thing they're great at - Jim has discretion of whether he wants to assist the dufus on the other end of disembowling himself. But when the guy you're arguing with is like 40 with a family and is arguing like a 10 year old, some alarm bells should be going off.
blankempathy
Member
The sad part is that Digital Homicide did this to themselves. Had they not filed a copyright take down against Sterling and turned this whole thing into a huge mess none of this would of happened. Jim probably would of pegged a few games by chance and DH would of still have gotten negative criticism but not been in the spotlight like they were and still are. And while that doesn't excuse certain peoples behavior they also messed with Sterling''s livelihood by trying to shut up their critic when hes allowed that right. And no Sterling isn't putting start up indie devs out of business. Look at Stardew Valley. An actual good game with a developer that cares and has been communicating with the community, Its selling incredibly well.
He is claiming he actually lost 2.2 million, and that his reputation has suffered 4.3 million in future damage.
He then demands 5 million in punitive damages to punish Jim for doing something egregious that the court wants to deter Jim and others from doing.
Punitive damages are generally only awarded when someone is being a real bad actor and the court wants to make a statement.
For sure, I've seen pro se complaints that were hand written on blank paper and were generally incoherent diatribes.
Glitchesarecool
Member
Playing devil's advocate here, there isn't any way those damages would actually be awarded though? I can't imagine Jim's worth is anywhere approaching 11m.
To be fair, when I first listened to it I was partially occupying my thoughts while building a desk. I can't imagine sitting and listening to that with your complete and undivided attention.
Again, in the context of how DH was constantly bugging Jim, I'm sure he was hopeful that the podcast would be the last thing he would do with DH.
To be fair, when I first listened to it I was partially occupying my thoughts while building a desk. I can't imagine sitting and listening to that with your complete and undivided attention.
Again, in the context of how DH was constantly bugging Jim, I'm sure he was hopeful that the podcast would be the last thing he would do with DH.
E_Darkness
Member
This is silly, Jim will make the money back from his defense by just making a video about this.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
Jim Sterling should start his own funding campaign for this and once it all dries up, donate it to charity.
Pretty much. Jim has so far went through a ton of terrible games and DH are the only ones to go absolutely ballistic after being criticized.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
I haven't watched a Jim Sterling video or read anything by him ever since that Q&A between the two of them. It disgusted me.
hollerphonix
Neo Member
That kickstarter page is amazing I'm super glad it was still live so I could see the fantastic rewards for backing it I'm alone less than a year ago I could've pledged $100s to get a new game name shit in it and get a bunch of other shit games whose value on steam might add up to $75
digoutyoursoul
Member
Not a fan of the harassment at all, he should call out that shit
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
d00d3n
Member
Has anyone informed Ken White at popehat about this? It seems like he could be interested in writing about this considering his previous post regarding the frivolous DMCA notice.
I'm pretty sure he has in past videos