I'm curious to see how Aerith translates into this new combat system.
She's going to be a "guest character" that doesn't fight, isn't she?
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10 Questions And Answers About The Final Fantasy VII Remake
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I'm curious to see how Aerith translates into this new combat system.
funkystudent
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Chie Satonaka
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KZXcellent
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This leads me to believe they won't be changing Aerith's fate. They're gonna mess with stuff, sure. But everyone knows this is an important part of FFVII. They won't change it to surprise people.
ethomaz
Banned
I disagree.
Only in the end game the chars were equal due the combination materials (all magics, all summons, all moves).
The battle for 90% of the game was unique for each char because they didn't have the same magic, summon and moves.
Strategy was a key point of the game.
Love the sarcasm
The actual situation of JRPGs is really sad... I hope Persona 5 and World of Final Fantasy can give a new life for this genre soon.
Valkerionseven
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IMO, the problem with making Final Fantasy action, "character action" esque is that for me that automatically makes me compare it's gameplay to Bayonetta, Devil May Cry, and Ninja Gaiden and so forth.
Those are pretty amazing combat systems to be up against in my brain as I think of them as the pinnacle of satisfying combat in a non-fighting game. Not saying this is the case for everyone, in fact I assume it's just me, but I hope they work long and hard to make a satisfying combat system for this and maybe even XV. There is that something missing at the moment.
Those are pretty amazing combat systems to be up against in my brain as I think of them as the pinnacle of satisfying combat in a non-fighting game. Not saying this is the case for everyone, in fact I assume it's just me, but I hope they work long and hard to make a satisfying combat system for this and maybe even XV. There is that something missing at the moment.
ethomaz
Banned
FFXV won't change... it sad but they showed the final combat system that breaks all immersion of a JRPG
FFVII I will wait before say something because what they showed is really preliminar.
Shalashaska
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Each part is going to be $60 isn't it?
ScherzoPrime
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I mean, Aerith has a staff and can use offensive magic, right? I don't see how it's a problem; she just parries with the staff and uses magic offensive/defensively/as buffs.
Sincerely have to disagree. I had to drop the game because outside of a handful of boss fights, I felt like the battle system was just a colossal timesink of either pressing attack or selecting whatever spell had an elemental advantage. It wasn't fun.
Not to say that realtime combat is the only way of addressing those deficiencies, but the original system was certainly not great.
Xenosaga individual volumes were full price. Also the Dot Hack volumes. They aren't cutting up a single game, this is going to be an overall story arc split into 3 games. Thinking in terms of that is not how they are approaching this project. The only thing that is shared is the story. They are def going to add things to make every game feel like its own complete story arc
I don't think that's necessarily the case.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I fully believe that the mid to endgame of the XV battle system will show you strategic gameplay possibilities that would not be possible with a direct action game like Bayonetta.
If they showed you the early section of any given RPG, you wouldn't assume you understand the scope of the battle system, so I don't know why people do it with XV.
Perfect Cha0s
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As already stated. That's Kitase. He's a producer. He has is fingers is a mutliple pies at Square.
paolo11
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It's interesting to see how SE will make each part to a complete story arc. I really wanted to hear more news about this.
I'm going to assume it will be 3 games but the question is how long will each game release? Every year? Or two? I do hope E3 will shed more light into this.
Spyder_Monkey
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That seems to be what it is.
Hibiki Kurosawa
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So how many parts will it be in the end I wonder and how long until we see it.
Mediking
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DAY FREAKING ONE.
I just really love the feel of the combat from the trailer. Hopefully it's fun to play!
Souls doesn't fit every type of action RPG genre out there. And its not full action they are going to, it will have a RPG cool down warm up time to consider as well
LouisaFerre
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Pretty intrigued by the comment about Nomura looking to Dissidia to try and get the basis for how he wants the combat to feel. Otherwise, this is all stuff we pretty much knew already. Probably not going to get a whole lot of substantial information before WoFF and KH2.8 come out.
I bet (speculation re: Aeries for those who don't like speculation)
they do something like have Aeries get revived and then have her die at the end or towards the end of the game, irrevocably. Give a little bit of false hope to all the people who want her revived, and get a cheap shock while maintaining the overall lore from advent children and the other games.
I'm with you, but make it action based, Renzokuken will flourish! And please include another set of Play Arts Kai.
Digital-Hero
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They could give a choice.
badcrumble
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The battle system is just vanilla ATB 1.1 (same as in 6 and 8, where regular attacks and smaller spells don't stop the timer but longer animations do), plus limit breaks. Do you mean the ability system (materia)?
Have you ever played Secret of Mana?
It's a Nomura-directed game. It won't be slow and unresponsive.
Mysterious Figure level.
Actually I hope not.
Yeah I didnt want to sound like "every game needs Souls combat" people, probably came off that way. It just seems like a good fit, I saw Demons Souls as a turning point for JRPG combat, but I guess JRPG devs didnt. Theyre pushing action though, and Souls has that, with tactics and numbers. FF games like the 13 series and XV demo seem to be more action in that more stuff happens but you dont really do much in combat... kinda like the Assassins Creed of JRPGs
The danger I see in that is that it could bring the pace of the storytelling to a crawl. It sounds great on paper to bulk up the game with a bunch of sidequests, but one of the things that was great about FFVII is that the main story moved at a tight, brisk pace and it didn't feel padded out unnecessarily.
Opening up the entire city of Midgar sounds great in theory, but if there's nothing going on there that's really important to the main story, I don't see a point aside from making the game longer.
DangerMouse
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Can't wait, I'm still so damned happy this finally exists, I want this game so much.
The stuff in the PSX trailer looked so good, like those gifs.
Yeah, this is how I see it too, like Xenosaga, Dot Hack, etc.
The stuff in the PSX trailer looked so good, like those gifs.
Yeah, this is how I see it too, like Xenosaga, Dot Hack, etc.
LouisaFerre
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I don't really see how you could integrate the limit breaks, summons, and character switching by making it more similar to a Souls title. It's really not a combat system that was developed with this kind of game in mind.
lol
I wonder how much the public's feedback of XV's combat will reflect upon 7 Remake down the road? Square Enix can't afford anymore divisive titles and XV has me worried from a gameplay perspective so far. It has been soo long since a quality FF, it would be nice if they just made a turn based game not in 13's universe and drowned Uematsu in money.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
I'm not sure how Souls is a turning point for JRPG combat. It expands far more on WRPG systems than JRPG ones. I'd put something like Valkryia Chronicles as a turning point over Souls, and even that's only in one subgenre.
Scrooge McDuck
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Final Fantasy XIII-2 has a fight on horseback while fighting a giant robot thingie. Final Fantasy VII has an underwater fight and a fight with a flying dragon on an airship deck. Final Fantasy VI has a fight against a giant octopus on a speeding raft, a duel while falling mid-air and four people running in front of a chasing train while fighting it at the same time.
I don't think the Souls combat is a good fit for what the majority of the series are trying to accomplish. They're more about grand set pieces and flashy moves.
Necromanti
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If it has a combat system along the lines of Kingdom Hearts, then I'm all ears. If it's more like what can be found in Dissidia, however...
You make a good point.They could mean well, but their execution... Thanks for being logical about it though. We need that type of outlook.
It's hard to see them do anything but make questionable choices when they were surprised as hell a turn-based game like bravely default did well. I'd pay in gold to see to whom their analysts are listening.
This is so painfully untrue and unbacked by any form of data. Why remake the game to appeal to people who basically don't care for turn-based when you've had people buying ff7 for years now still? They did it out of a fear that it wasn't flashy enough for a shorter attention span, is what it read like in the early articles introducing this. I respect that some folks don't care for the original. I then ask why things are being changed for them when Square themselves arbitrarily decided that turn-based just wasn't hip, despite sales data. " I hate rts games, but they added a hack n' slash mechanic, so now it has my interest" feels like an apt analogy. Then again all of this just may be my extreme bias to a game that didn't need a change in mechanics, but just balancing.
Ghost Slayer
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Sephiroth was playable (sort of) in original game. Wonder if they made him full playable in NG+ or in different game mode.
GIVE IT TO ME NOW
KZXcellent
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I love Souls to death but I wouldn't want Square to go in that direction. Their combat is very very good but I just don't think it would be a good fit for their games especially since their games are about bombastic anime-style action. I also wouldn't say Demon's Souls was that much of a turning point for JRPGs since it feels more like a Western RPG to be honest
I also wouldn't put the XIII games in the same discussion. Those were turn-based games. (Unless Lightning Returns went action, haven't touched that one) FFXV I can agree is taking a VERY simplistic approach with it's "hold button to attack" stuff but I still believe it has some interesting depth to it. Can't really judge FFVIIR's combat yet but with Nomura at the helm I assume it will not be nearly as simplified as XV. I'm the most interested in KH3
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Basically I'd prefer some variety in Action (J)RPGs. While the Souls approach could potentially make games have more satisfying combat I feel it would make things a little bland.
I don't think that's really fair...to pin on Nomura, Nojima and the FF7R team the fact that the money guys of SE were surprised about Bravely's success in the west. They are making the game they want to make here and Nomura himself as a director has never been especially resonant to turn based games. That's the real deciding factor and even why FFVersus was going to have action combat 10 years ago
Anyone that defends FF7's combat system has to re-adjust their nostalgia goggles; seriously.
Anyway, I think they're on a hiding to nothing with this re-make. No matter what they do, at least half of the fan base will complain (despite wanting this remake for what seems like decades now)
Anyway, I think they're on a hiding to nothing with this re-make. No matter what they do, at least half of the fan base will complain (despite wanting this remake for what seems like decades now)
KZXcellent
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I feel like a lot of people who wanted the remake didn't really think about what would happen IF it was announced. The game is GOING to have changes to the plot, redesigns, and of course references and additions thanks to the FFVII Compilation stuff. People who expected it to be the same or are angered that they're changing it are silly, it was going to happen. As for the combat? I prefer Action RPGs but I also like Turn Based and it IS disappointing to see them not going for an evolution of FFVII's combat system but I respect their decision regardless.
Huge fan of Nomura, minus the so-bad-it's-good story that is KH.I'm calling out the money guys and the company, cus it seems like they make a lot of major decisions that don't line up with reality. There's strong evidence pointing to the shift being a company-wide decision after the ps2 era.
It's kinda strange. The change in system is one thing, but it's other elements as well that are making us wary. That and square's track record. It's difficult to not tread without worry. This is the same company whose former CEO consulted a psychic for business decisions. We expect changes, of course, but essentially changing the identity of a game people still play and praise to this day (nostalgia goggles arguments be damned) to chase some perceived blue ocean doesn't scream artistic integrity very much.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I know there are people out there who would be equally dissatisfied with a "fresh coat of paint" straight remake as much as they would be dissatisfied with a "total overhaul" remake.
A lot of the desire for the remake comes from a poorly thought through wish to just "make the game new again". They're really asking for the feeling of being 12 in 1997 again.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
The battle system is great even if it's hardly unique (I mean, it's the same one as five other games in the series). And I know more than a few people that started the game recently and still think the combat is great.
Either way, asking for an upgrade rather than a genre shift really shouldn't be an unreasonable request.
KZXcellent
Member
Yeah, there's really no winning in this type of situation. People are going to be pissed no matter what they do with it.