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Is there any plausible way the United States could invaded?

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Manos: The Hans of Fate

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Simple question, considering all the goofy scenarios in the past for invading the US, I ask are there any scenarios where it could work and how. Related, how would the US defend against them. Feel free to use the cold war, now, or a reasonable short term future in the next 10-20 years (by reasonable I mean John Milinus not on the sauce authored scenario). For what its worth in terms of gaming World in Conflict is the only game that I ever seen with a somewhat logical one, and in that game it was still more of a diversion to cause troops to be moved from Europe and remove US SDI, than a full on invasion.
 
bengraven

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It would take a few more decades of oppression before our country gets to a weaker state that invasion would be plausible.

That or a reliable threat that would weaken the borders, like say someone threatening us with nukes to allow a small army to occupy a small part of our country which ends up escalating. Basically for someone to outsmart us.

Besides, the invasion won't be international. The invasion will be a revolution started in the South when it rises up against the liberal socialist regime in place now.
 
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SmokyDave

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I guess it'd be easier to land in Canada or Mexico and then invade over land.

I'll be keeping an eye on this thread for tips & tactics. Beware.
 
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Kabouter

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Not since the second World War has there been a credible risk of the US being invaded by conventional forces (Then, Japan. Hawaii could have plausibly been invaded in 1941, challenging though it would have been for Japan). Nuclear deterrents and a lack of naval strength made it impossible for the Soviet Union to do so, and those reasons remain the same today for any other would be aggressor. This all aside from the fact that the US, and given the defensive nature of this fictional conflict, its NATO allies, can defeat the conventional forces of any power or alliance of powers in the world.

But most importantly of all, there is nothing for any real power to gain in invading the US, and there is quite a lot to lose.
 
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Relix

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I remember seeing in GAF A post where North Korea poisoned the whole Mississippi river, nearly splitting USA and allowing them to attack the West Coast. It seemed interesting. I think it was a game's plot.
 
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ConfusingJazz

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Nope, too big, nuclear deterrent, etc. Plus, the guerrilla campaign would really tax the occupiers. Smart people with access to CostCo or Sam's Club could make bombs for 20 years.
 
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AndyD

aka andydumi
Quick, must build coastline bunkers! And a Maginot line towards Canadia!!! With fixed direction guns!

Realistically though, I can see it happen as an aftermath to a nuclear attack which disables/destroys many major cities. Similar to a TV show like Jericho or something along those lines.
 
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ChiTownBuffalo

Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Well, maybe because of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, it started way back then. Lots of immigrants coming over and settling in major cities, all as sleeper agents.

There are a lot of Koreans in the US now, and where ever I go, I still get asked if I'm North or South Korean, or even simpler, Good or Bad Korean. Maybe there is a reason for the paranoia.

I mean, maybe we're trying to give you a hint when we put too much starch in your collar to be wary, we've lived amongst you and have developed an affection for Americans.

I'm just saying.
 
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Manos: The Hans of Fate

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Relix said:
I remember seeing in GAF A post where North Korea poisoned the whole Mississippi river, nearly splitting USA and allowing them to attack the West Coast. It seemed interesting. I think it was a game's plot.
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Thats's what I meant by written by a drunken John Milnus.
 
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ConfusingJazz

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Kabouter said:
Not since the second World War has there been a credible risk of the US being invaded by conventional forces (Then, Japan. Hawaii could have plausibly been invaded in 1941, challenging though it would have been for Japan).
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Hawaii was only a territory back then, but if you go the measures of what would become a state, then the Aleutian Islands in Alaska actually were invaded: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_Islands_Campaign

Most people think it wasn't a serious invasion though, and was just a diversionary tactic to draw forces away from Midway.

Didn't work, that whole "breaking their naval code" thing really makes it hard to do feints.
 
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DjangoReinhardt

Thinks he should have been the one to kill Batman's parents.
No. The U.S. is bordered by oceans to the east and west, friendly neighbors with tight economic integration to the north and south, the nations and non-state actors most hostile towards it are all very far away, and the U.S. possesses the best navy and air force on the planet by far. On top of that, the U.S. is loaded with natural resources and arable land.

If the world as it exists today and for the foreseeable future were transformed into a game of Risk where each player starts with one country, the U.S. would be banned from tournaments. It's Super Turbo Akuma and then some.
 
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Gallbaro

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Nope, it would be worse than invading Russia, because you never invade a bread basket nation.

-Ocean + Large Country = Over stretched supply lines.
-USA invasion would lead to international famine, likely in the invading countries as well.
-Only staging points are Canada and Mexico, which creates defined fronts.
--Plus those two countries are not resource abundant.
---Canada does have oil, but they do not have many refineries.
 
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snackman

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it would be pretty easy because south America and Mexico is corrupt and any country could hide there until they decide they want to invade us by tanks at the least.
 
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Skiptastic

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Let's see...

Big military
National Guard
Large size of land
Essentially closed off from anyone who would invade
Second amendment

No, I don't think it would work. Even if our cities were "neutralized" by an EMP or something similar, mobilization would probably not be too difficult and you'd be dealing with a well armed angry populace.
 
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Kabouter

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ConfusingJazz said:
Hawaii was only a territory back then, but if you go the measures of what would become a state, then the Aleutian Islands in Alaska actually were invaded: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_Islands_Campaign

Most people think it wasn't a serious invasion though, and was just a diversionary tactic to draw forces away from Midway.

Didn't work, that whole "breaking their naval code" thing really makes it hard to do feints.
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Yes, I know, it's actually why I mentioned Hawaii rather than those. I think Hawaii really would have constituted a major invasion of US soil given the size and importance of the military facilities there. And it could have been used as a staging area for an invasion of the mainland, which given the limited available troops would not have been an impossibility. Roosevelt administration advisers even theorized that an invasion could have gotten as far as Illinois before it could have been halted. While I'm not quite convinced they could have gotten that far, with Hawaii as a staging area, I do believe they could have had significant initial success.
 
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Devolution

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ConfusingJazz said:
However, to cripple the US would be pretty easy, bomb East Houston.
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You know I'm always afraid to mention this because lol watchdogs but most trains have the shittiest security ever. And a lot of metro ones or ones that go from suburbs into the metros are very important. Or hell a car-bomb on any metro bridge. Eep. Every time I go into SF I do a hail mary and I'm not even religious.
 
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stressboy

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snackman said:
it would be pretty easy because south America and Mexico is corrupt and any country could hide there until they decide they want to invade us by tanks at the least.
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Yeah we would never notice that.
 
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Guevara

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As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border.
 
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Kabouter

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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Here is another wrinkle: What about conventional military attack, say near US bases, naval yards, or manufacturing, during a war where a main front is somewhere else.
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Question though, who would you imagine could be doing this? Certainly, to launch such attacks on the US successfully, it would have to be a very serious power, North Korea and Iran are certainly not going to be doing it.
 
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Old Gimlet Eyes

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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Here is another wrinkle: What about conventional military attack, say near US bases, naval yards, or manufacturing, during a war where a main front is somewhere else.
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Not possible. Any conventional attack would require air superiority and nobody owns the skies like the US.
 
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Gamecocks625

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not on their watch...

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Bleepey

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ChiTownBuffalo said:
Well, maybe because of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, it started way back then. Lots of immigrants coming over and settling in major cities, all as sleeper agents.

There are a lot of Koreans in the US now, and where ever I go, I still get asked if I'm North or South Korean, or even simpler, Good or Bad Korean. Maybe there is a reason for the paranoia.

I mean, maybe we're trying to give you a hint when we put too much starch in your collar to be wary, we've lived amongst you and have developed an affection for Americans.

I'm just saying.
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So are you a good or bad Korean?
 
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Azih

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Guevara said:
As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border.
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That's what you have Palin there for.. though, oh no hasn't she abandoned her post for a life of celebrity puntiddom?
 
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ChiTownBuffalo

Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
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fastford58

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Gallbaro said:
Nope, it would be worse than invading Russia, because you never invade a bread basket nation.

-Ocean + Large Country = Over stretched supply lines.
-USA invasion would lead to international famine, likely in the invading countries as well.
-Only staging points are Canada and Mexico, which creates defined fronts.
--Plus those two countries are not resource abundant.
---Canada does have oil, but they do not have many refineries.
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Might want to look into that Canada and resource thing...
 
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ChiTownBuffalo

Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Azih said:
That's what you have Palin there for.. though, oh no hasn't she abandoned her post for a life of celebrity puntiddom?
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No, she can still see Russia from her house.
 
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ConfusingJazz

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Kabouter said:
Yes, I know, it's actually why I mentioned Hawaii rather than those. I think Hawaii really would have constituted a major invasion of US soil given the size and importance of the military facilities there. And it could have been used as a staging area for an invasion of the mainland, which given the limited available troops would not have been an impossibility. Roosevelt administration advisers even theorized that an invasion could have gotten as far as Illinois before it could have been halted. While I'm not quite convinced they could have gotten that far, with Hawaii as a staging area, I do believe they could have had significant initial success.
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I don't think that would have been possible. At most, they would have been able to take a couple Californian cities. The Sierra Nevada, the desert, and then the Rockies would have halted any invasion force even if they were able to do more.

As a staging area, Hawaii is still really fucking far away from the mainland. The logistics of moving an invasion fleet for the US over 2,000 miles was probably beyond the ability of the Japanese Empire in 1941. They would have had to have that all ready before bombing Pearl Harbor. A better plan would have been invade a Latin American country, and then use that as a staging area.

Also, Japan never had the man power to control hold onto their gains in China, and then invade the US mainland.
 
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ChiTownBuffalo

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ConfusingJazz said:
I don't think that would have been possible. At most, they would have been able to take a couple Californian cities. The Sierra Nevada, the desert, and then the Rockies would have halted any invasion force even if they were able to do more.

As a staging area, Hawaii is still really fucking far away from the mainland. The logistics of moving an invasion fleet for the US over 2,000 miles was probably beyond the ability of the Japanese Empire in 1941. They would have had to have that all ready before bombing Pearl Harbor. A better plan would have been invade a Latin American country, and then use that as a staging area.

Also, Japan never had the man power to control hold onto their gains in China, and then invade the US mainland.
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Also, the US won't make the same mistake of huddling nearly their all their Pacific Fleet in one place ever again.
 
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Manos: The Hans of Fate

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Kabouter said:
Question though, who would you imagine could be doing this? Certainly, to launch such attacks on the US successfully, it would have to be a very serious power, North Korea and Iran are certainly not going to be doing it.
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That idea is more based around the Cold War or Russia/China/EU (I know lol on the last one) and standoff naval attacks and potentially long range ALCM by bombers. I mean the US is filled with a ton of valid targets.
 
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Borgnine

MBA in pussy licensing and rights management
We already were, by the Irish! Other than that though no, you have to nuke us from orbit.
 
LQX

LQX

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Most people are thinking in the present but what if in say 100 years from now Canada become a super power and all that jealous and envy comes rushing out like bagged milk. I partly jest but in due time I think it could happen if say the US was to splinter and South America got more powerful after certain countries are annexed by bigger ones like Brazil.

That said, I think realistically the US will splinter before we ever see a actual invasion even centuries from now. I cant see it being feasible to invade a powerful country so far away unless something devastating first happens that practically cripples them.
 
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