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Downton Abbey |OT| Estate in Disrepair

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Wes

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Warning! The UK are on Series 3 and there'll be unspoilered talk in this thread!

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Synopsis

Created by Julian Fellowes, the series is set in the fictional Downton Abbey, stately home of the Earl and Countess of Grantham, and follows the lives of the aristocratic Crawley family and their servants early in the reign of King George V.

Series 1 (7 episodes) - April 1914 to August 1914
Series 2 (8 episodes) - Autumn 1916 to Novemeber 1918


Characters

The Grantham Family

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Robert, Earl of Grantham. (Hugh Bonneville)
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Robert Grantham has lived an uncomplicated life until now. He married his wife, Cora, an American heiress, in 1889, largely for her money and although there is no denying her cash put the estate back on its feet, over time they have grown to love one another deeply. The marriage contract, as we know, stipulated that her fortune, once invested in the estate, was inseparable from it. Neither Robert nor his wife anticipated that this clause (demanded by his late father) would cause problems, since they both confidently expected to have a son and heir. The trouble is they didnʼt. They had three daughters, Mary, Edith and Sybil. Until now, the heir was Robertʼs cousin, James Crawley, and his son, Patrick. But the news has arrived of their deaths on board the Titanic.

Cora, Countess of Grantham. (Elizabeth McGovern)
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Cora is the beautiful daughter of Isidore Levinson, a dry goods multi millionaire from Cincinnati. She arrived in England, with her mother, in 1888, at the age of 20, and was engaged to Robert, Viscount Downton, as he then was, by the end of her first season. She accepted the clause, at the insistence of her father-in-law, assuming she would have a boy. Now that the cousin she did at least know is dead, and the new heir is a distant cousin, she does not believe he would have wished his grand daughters to be robbed of their motherʼs money, which would instead be given to a complete stranger. She had anyway counted on a marriage between Patrick and Mary. She thinks Robert should overturn the settlement and the entail, to benefit their children.

Lady Mary Crawley. (Michelle Dockery)
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Clever, good looking, hard. Mary had (just about) accepted that she was not to be, as she had imagined, an heiress, like her mother, while her cousins lived. On the arrival of the news of their deaths, she assumes she will now inherit. The realisation that she will not enrages her. Particularly when she learns that her father refuses to fight for her rights. She was confident of her cousin, Patrick, and she was holding him in reserve if she couldnʼt bring her favoured choice, the handsome, young Duke of Crowborough, up to the mark. In other words, in the first episode Mary Crawley goes from a win-win situation to a lose-lose one.

Lady Edith Crawley. (Laura Carmichael)
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Edith resents Mary. She is less good looking and less sought after, but no less ambitious. She doesnʼt care that the settlement will not be overturned, since she would not have inherited either way. If anything, she is pleased that Mary will not be able to lord it over her. Their rivalry is fuelled by the fact that she genuinely loved the dead heir, Patrick, but no one took her feelings seriously. She is anyway in a half-permanent rage that the interests of her beautiful sister are always placed above hers in any family plan.

Lady Sybil Crawley. (Jessica Brown Findlay)
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Sybil is the family rebel. She is fiercely political, devoted to the cause of votes for women, and generally angered by injustice everywhere. She exasperates both parents. She will go through the motions, when it comes to Society, but her goals all lie beyond what they consider the proper field. She is detached from most of the family quarrels about inheritance as she doesnʼt care about it.

Matthew Crawley. (Dan Stevens)
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Matthew is a third cousin, once removed, of Lord Grantham. His father was a doctor, which is amazing to Lord Grantham and offensive to his wife. Matthew himself has qualified as a solicitor and is already practising in Manchester. Now, he finds himself heir to an earldom and a large estate and he is invited to move there and to become part of the local community.

Violet, Dowager Countess of Grantham. (Dame Maggie Smith)
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Robertʼs mother. She is immensely proud, immensely loyal to her son and immensely insufferable to her American daughter-in-law, whom she regards as an interloper, a living compromise the family has had to make. She was born the daughter of a baronet, which Cora does not believe entitles Violet to carry on as if she were a Plantagenet, especially as she brought virtually no money with her. In other words, both women think themselves the superior of the other. Publicly, Violet supports the arrangements made by her late husband. But in reality, once Patrick is dead, she favours her grand daughter, Mary, over some distant stranger. This paves the way for an unholy alliance between the two Countesses, as they plot against Robert to overturn the arrangements. When the cross-breed heir arrives, with his middle class mama, she finds the situation intolerable, even if she, like Cora, sees one solution in Matthewʼs marrying Mary.

Isobel Crawley. (Penelope Wilton)
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Isobel is Matthewʼs widowed mother. She is the daughter of a doctor (her husband studied under her father) and she comes from the professional middle class. She embodies an entirely different set of values to those of the main family, being far better educated than either Violet or Cora, and before long she is at loggerheads with Violet. She is intensely proud of her son and not because he has turned out to be the heir to a great name. If anything, she thinks he is throwing away a brilliant career. She agrees to come and manage her sonʼs house on the estate, but she has mixed feelings about the whole set up.

Lady Rosamund Painswick. (Samantha Bond)
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Lady Rosamund is Robertʼs only sibling. She did not marry a great aristocrat and has no country seat, but the late Marmaduke Painswick, a banker, was immensely rich, so she has a good deal of freedom of movement. She has two children, Lavinia, who is married to a landed colonel in the Grenadiers, and Cyril who does something slightly nefarious in the Far East. She is devoted to Robert, but she feels it her duty to speak her mind on every possible occasion. Her interference in her niecesʼ decisions has a potentially disastrous result.






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Mr Carson. (Jim Carter) - The butler.
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Carson is in charge of the pantry, wine cellar and dining room, the male staff report to him. Butlers were usually expected to be bachelors without the distractions and temptations of a family of their own. Carson has worked at Downton since he was a boy. He is endlessly nostalgic for the way things were, and consequently, during the series, he more or less becomes an agent for the Dowager Countess and is potentially disloyal to her American successor. His instinct will be to support Lady Mary, whom he genuinely loves as a surrogate daughter, against her interloping cousin.

Mrs Hughes. (Phyllis Logan) - The housekeeper.
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Responsible for the house and its appearance, the Housekeeper is in charge of the female servants. There are three people in this household who all believe they are head of it, Mr Carson, Mrs Patmore and Mrs Hughes. Mrs Hughes is probably right. She is unsentimental but moral and decent. In fact, as we will see, she is a kind woman but she feels her strength is derived from the fear she inspires. She respects and, to a degree, protects Carson. But she is hard task-master.

Mrs Patmore. (Lesley Nicol) - The cook.
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Mrs Patmore is in charge of the kitchen and kitchen staff. She does not accept that Mr Carson has jurisdiction over her, nor, most of all, Mrs Hughes, and religiously defends her rights and privileges, against all comers.

John Bates. (Brendan Coyle) - The valet.
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The valet receives orders only from his master. He dresses him, he accompanies him on every journey. An exsoldier, John Bates was Robertʼs batman during the Boer War. He arrives at Downton in the first episode to take the position, but Bates was wounded in the war and it has left him lame, which makes him both defensive and fiercely loyal to Robert for giving him another chance.

OʼBrien. (Siobhan Finneran) - The ladyʼs maid.
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OʼBrienʼs responsibilities are to her mistress. She can be called from doing her mistress's laundry at any moment of the day to help with her hair or her dress. OʼBrien is a watchful, vengeful, malign spinster. She has sacrificed all thoughts of family and hearth to advance in her profession and now she is ladyʼs maid to a countess, in a great house, which should make her happy. But it does not, because nothing will. She may seem to flatter Lady Grantham or Lady Mary or any of them, but ultimately she will always follow her own interest.

Anna. (Joanne Froggatt) - The head housemaid.
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The highest ranking of the lower female servants. Anna comes from a background of tenant farming and service. She feels she may have missed her chance at marriage. She is head housemaid but she also maids the daughters of the house. She is clever and resourceful, a thoroughly sympathetic character, which is generally appreciated, if not always by Mary or Edith.

Gwen. (Rose Leslie) The under housemaid.
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Gwen is essentially an ambitious girl. She works as a housemaid because it is the only profession open to the daughter of a farm worker, but she has big plans. She is the natural rebel of the female staff, albeit in a quiet way, and this makes her a natural ally of Sybil.

Thomas. (Rob James-Collier) - The first footman.
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Thomas thinks he is a fine fellow and that most of his fellow workers are country bumpkins who know nothing. He is a liar and a petty thief and he is always on the look out for the main chance. His natural ally in the house is OʼBrien. They are both entirely self-interested, but loyalty, even like to like, is probably beyond him.

William. (Thomas Howes) The second footman.
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William is a fool. Thereʼs no harm in him but heʼs a fool, and Thomas has no hesitation in using him to do half his own work. Fruitlessly. William is very loyal to his parents. He is their only child and his home was a happy one. But his talent is in caring for horses, not serving in a grand dining room.

Daisy. (Sophie McShera) - The kitchenmaid.
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Daisyʼs mother was a true Victorian and Daisy is one of eleven children. The scullery maid had to clean, scour and scrub hundreds of knives, forks, pots and pans every day. She also had the smallest bedroom, and eats with the cook and the kitchenmaids, away from the other servants. She is constantly in the firing line with Mrs Patmore.

Branson. (Allen Leech) - The chauffeur.
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Robert's new spirited, Irish chauffeur, whose political ideologies aspire to a more modern society.


Awards
Series 1

BAFTA Craft
Best Fiction Director (Brian Percival)
Sound Award

Emmy Awards
Outstanding Miniseries or Movie
Outstanding Supporting Actress In A Miniseries Or A Movie (Maggie Smith)
Outstanding Directing For A Miniseries, Movie Or A Dramatic Special (Brian Percival)
Outstanding Writing For A Miniseries, Movie Or A Dramatic Special (Julian Fellowes)
Outstanding Cinematography For A Miniseries Or Movie
Outstanding Costumes For A Miniseries, Movie Or A Special


Ratings

UK
Series 1
Ep1 - 9.25million
Ep2 - 9.97m
Ep3 - 8.97m
Ep4 - 9.70m
Ep5 - 9.40m
Ep6 - 9.84m
Ep7 - 10.77m
Series 2
Ep1. - 9.00m :: 34.6% share
 

gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
I've season one on DVD waiting for me to tuck in.

Season 2 started last night, right? I caught the first half or so of the episode, but left it as I guess I really need to catch up first.

...and with that /leaves-thread
 
Still can't quite fathom why people/critics/tv execs have bought into this show's 'hype'. It's like the Ikea fitting of TV period drama's.

About the only thing most ITV programming is fit for is Harry Hill fodder imo.
 
Downton Abbey is a great show, and I enjoyed the first season more than I had expected I would. I have last nights episode, but I'm waiting for the period-drama mood to strike.

Lazlo Woodbine said:
Still can't quite fathom why people/critics/tv execs have bought into this show's 'hype'. It's like the Ikea fitting of TV period drama's.

About the only thing most ITV programming is fit for is Harry Hill fodder imo.

I'm a bit confused about why you dislike it. Is it because there is something wrong with the show itself, or just the fact that it's on ITV and not the BBC? It's being produced by Carnival Films if that helps.
 
The 1st season was very well done piece of entertainment. Its not Breaking Bad or anything but its definately one of the top 10 shows on tv right now acting wise.
 

Wes

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Lazlo Woodbine said:
Still can't quite fathom why people/critics/tv execs have bought into this show's 'hype'. It's like the Ikea fitting of TV period drama's.

About the only thing most ITV programming is fit for is Harry Hill fodder imo.

Whilst some storylines (The Turk) can be a bit farfetched the acting is stellar enough for me not care.
 
I meant to watch the first series of this, but never got around to it.

And now this series is on at the same time as Spooks...
 
ivysaur12 said:
I have no idea what it being on ITV means, but I love this show and am so happy that it's back.

It means ITV wanted to fuck with me, and creating an actually great period drama series that can only be found on their channel was the best way to do that. Er, so fucking annoyed I have to give them the ratings.
 

ivysaur12

Banned
Green Scar said:
It means ITV wanted to fuck with me, and creating an actually great period drama series that can only be found on their channel was the best way to do that. Er, so fucking annoyed I have to give them the ratings.

Is there some stigma against ITV? Or is it owned by some shitty company?
 
ivysaur12 said:
Is there some stigma against ITV? Or is it owned by some shitty company?

They are the shitty company. They cultivated the UK's talent show craze, pretty much, with the help of Cowell and Fuller, bringing us shows like Britain's Got Talent and X Factor. Generally, they've established themselves as a factory of boring, soul-less telly with little else to make up for it (C4 and BBC do plenty of shit too, but at least they put out quality drama and documentaries to back it up).

If Downton Abbey is the beginning of them offering something with meat on it alongside its fast-food TV, then I'm happy, but they have a lot of making up to do.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Are the Netflix versions PBS Edited or BBC Okay?
It's labeled "Masterpiece Classic" which is the long-running PBS series it aired under. PBS edited the series for time not content. (Edit: Actually, it looks like PBS is selling the unedited version under the Masterpiece name on Amazon, so it's probably the unedited on Netflix, but I'm guessing.)

The journalist in question--that would be Chris Hastings--wanted to talk about Downton's journey across the pond and specifically the cuts that had taken place along the way. When ITV aired Downton Abbey, it did so as seven episodes of varying length, while PBS was airing it as four 90-minute episodes. Which brings us to the main point of this post: despite the fact that I spelled out for Hastings that barely any cuts had been made to Downton Abbey, he wrote a now much-publicized piece for The Daily Mail in which he alleges, according to the hyperbolic lede, that "Downton downsized... by two hours because American TV executives fear its intricate plot will baffle U.S. viewers."

To put it bluntly: it's simply not true.
The only thing missing here are, in fact, the commercials themselves.
http://www.televisionaryblog.com/2011/01/in-defense-of-downton-abbey-or-dont.html

They should be fine, or if you have Amazon Prime you can stream the UK versions for free:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004KAQQ5E/?tag=neogaf0e-20
 
icarus-daedelus said:
Still don't see what about this makes this particular show the IKEA of period dramas. Unless it's cheap & Swedish or something.

Honestly tho a lot of this stuff is hard for me to tell apart, for I am hardly an expert on the genre.

No, this is a great show. I love this show. One of my favourite TV shows from last year. Complaining about ITV is just something I love doing, haha.
 
Ser Jorah Mormont from A Game of Thrones, Iain Glen is in the next 3 episodes. He's playing an owner of tabloid newspapers. Should be fun seeing him playing a bad character.
 
I love this series, as I am a sucker for period dramas. The first episode of season two did not disappoint. Really like how The Great War affects the show, assuming that matthew doesn't die of course.

Here's a list of some trailers and teasers:

Short trailer for season one on Masterpiece Classic
Teaser for season one
Clip from the first episode

Teaser for season two
Shorter teaser for season two

Kyon said:
Thomas is one of the best gay characters written. They need to give him a love interest

Only if he breaks his heart.

VelvetMouth said:
I'm probably one of 2 people who don't like Lady Mary. She fucked her sister over good.

You reap what you sow, Edith had it coming. Of course, Mary is reaping what she sowed in the first season as well. Loved the way she looked at Matthew across the room.
 

jey_16

Banned
Season 2 premiere was fantastic, there were some moments that were completely hilarious and the rest of it was class as expected

Also, Mary deserves what ever happens to her considering how she screwed over Matthew
 
I just finished the first season and watched the second's premiere. This show is absolutely wonderful. The production values (especially in the second season) are astounding.
 
I've said it before, and I'll say it again; This show is like crack. The most opulent and lavish TV crack ever. It's amazing.

But since I won't be seeing series 2 until next year (>_<), I must flee this topic.
 

slider

Member
I just caught an episode from S1 as my gf is a big fan. They're showing S1 here and she's enthralled.

A quick question... Does Mary ever show any redeeming qualities? The "person out of her time" thing is a bit wearisome to me too. I'll caveat with: I've only seen one partial episode (but I was quite taken with it).
 
slider said:
I just caught an episode from S1 as my gf is a big fan. They're showing S1 here and she's enthralled.

A quick question... Does Mary ever show any redeeming qualities? The "person out of her time" thing is a bit wearisome to me too. I'll caveat with: I've only seen one partial episode (but I was quite taken with it).

Yes.
 
I thought this was a fantastic episode and my favorite so far of this season. I am looking forward to more Cora vs Cousin Isobel and finding out what O'Brien has up her sleeve. She has been softer, still masterfully manipulative but softer, and that has me suspicious.
 

Luigiv

Member
Never heard of this show before but reading through the OP I have to as, why is this one clearly of a different race/complexion to the rest of her family?

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Luigiv said:
Never heard of this show before but reading through the OP I have to as, why is this one clearly of a different race/complexion to the rest of her family?

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Nah, she's pretty white

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Fari

Member
My mother absolutely loves this series. She also really enjoys Midsomer Murders and all those other ITV drama things. They're so delightfully middlebrow and inoffensive.
 
While not much happened this episode, I still enjoyed it. Robert was particularly boss. His wife is starting to annoy me though, can't stand characters being led around by their nose. Hopefully shit falls apart for her if Ms. Crawley takes her business elsewhere.

204 preview.
 
I am far too forgiving when it comes to this show. The conclusion to today's episode was very "precious" but it still got me. The points of conflict are starting to feel a bit contrived, however. The Episode 5 preview has me worried.
 
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