TheCongressman1
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Exactly. Plenty of people do care about HD, but it hasn't been a deal breaker for most people. I suspect if Nintendo did not make the jump this next gen they wouldn't fare nearly as well as they have this gen.
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Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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Exactly. Plenty of people do care about HD, but it hasn't been a deal breaker for most people. I suspect if Nintendo did not make the jump this next gen they wouldn't fare nearly as well as they have this gen.
nordique
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well said, and I agree with this train of thought
Glorified G
Member
Again, It's not either or. Software is definitely the most important. I'm just saying power has a direct influence on the software. There's a reason why 3rd parties are not supporting the Wii. There is a reason why Wii U is going to be in HD.
have you been reading the same thread I have?
if the witcher 2 can be ported to 360 there should be no reason that the Wii U can't run nextbox/ps4 games. the only obstacle nintendo needs to overcome in regards to this is whether or not the Wii U runs UE4 or a derivative of it.
tkscz
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Because most 3rd party games on the Wii sold terribly, compared to Nintendo's sells.
OrangeGrayBlue
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Being the most powerful system hasn't mattered (or won a console race) since the SNES era. Look at the success of the PS1 despite competing with the more powerful N64, the PS2 despite being weaker than both the GC and the Xbox, the DS despite being a full generation behind the PSP, the 3DS despite having a healthy power gap between the Vita, and the Wii despite not being able to render past 480P. Nintendo are making an HD console because, as has been mentioned before, it's a bullet point. It adds value to the console, but it is the determining factor for very, very few. And ultimately, it won't matter if the 720 is 20% more powerful or even 50% more powerful than Wii U (or vice versa). A few dozen people on the internet will compare screenshots and debate about visuals, but those people have already drawn their line in the sand over silly company loyalty and won't be swayed no matter the outcome.
To say that it is important to you that Wii U be powerful is one thing. To say that it's actually important to the company and that it will be to their detriment to be underpowered is laughable, flies in the face of the last 15 years of console sales data, and honestly can't be taken seriously. Again, the last console to be both the most powerful mainstream system on the market as well as the highest selling debuted in 1991. The weaker system has been more successful in EVERY instance in the 21 years since, suggesting that price point and quality software are considerably more important factors that should be given the kind of consideration by company exec's that people on the internet give to hardware power.
Yeah, I agree. System power is just a means to an end. Of course power matters but only in relation to the availability and quality of software. Of course it has a direct influence on software but more power doesn't always = more software, as we've seen with the PS3, xbox/GC, and N64.
You should see how it behaves in the final dungeon. One of my party members somehow got transformed into a god damn town NPC that just walked around in place after an enemy used a balloon spell.
Twenty7KVN
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Well third parties not supporting the wii had nothing to do with power it was about the architecture.If the wii at least had a gpu with programmable shaders we would see more ports.
Tell that the industry.
Journalists, analysts, enthusiasts: they all just look at the specs. It's crazy how far this has gone. Specs say nothing about a console's success.
And then there are people who can't look at their 3DS screen anymore because they are scared that they lose their eyes after their Retina experience
Journalists, analysts, enthusiasts: they all just look at the specs. It's crazy how far this has gone. Specs say nothing about a console's success.
And then there are people who can't look at their 3DS screen anymore because they are scared that they lose their eyes after their Retina experience
And then there are people who can't look at their 3DS screen anymore because they are scared that they lose their eyes after their Retina experience
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Thanks was going to post this and i hope with this repost the majority of people here see this.
And if the Wii can't run current gen games with PS3/360 settings @ 1080p 30 fps it's a big dissapointment, cause that would mean that the Wii isn't even 2.5 x 360 power.
Glorified G
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Making an assumption that that the PS4 will be using standard controllers, when Sony's being doing that for the past 18 years & Microsoft for the past 11 is being closed minded? Untill they suggest otherwise I'm going to assume they use standard controllers as their primary control scheme.
PS2 was a huge jump for the PS1 & very powerful for it's time. Xbox & GC coming out year & half later didn't change that. Power wasn't the only factor, but it was a pretty big one. The Wii was an anomaly that went against the grain which we'll never see again. And the portable market is different.
I'm not saying power is the only important thing to a console success, I'm just dismissing the fact that power doesn't matter at all.
Twenty7KVN
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Lol that thread kills me i can't believe people think that's worth arguing.
I don't want dat DISGUSTING and INSULTING 2000 whatever hardware in my 2012! I want 2015 hardware in my 2012! Everything else is GARBAGE and INSULTING!
Good games? Fuck off, hombré: if I can see pixels, then the game is automatically shit. And the Wii U tablet has a shitty screen, so this console will have shitty games only.
/TechHipster
Yeah it does sound a little disappointing.
I don't see why people act like Wii U having super intensive stuff on 2 seperate screens is so impressive. It reminds me of the 3DS where the system is working overtime just to do 3D. 3DS would have had better graphics if it wasn't working overtime to do 3D. And it sounds like Wii U is in that same position. The tech is working overtime to display stuff on the controller's screen instead of processing better image quality on your television. Also, all we heard from Nintendo was 1080p this and 1080p that. They threw around that term like crazy last E3.
I don't know if I like sacraficing graphics on my main TV screen to display stuff more smoothly on a game controller that isn't even 1080p (at least it's not 1080p based on what Nintendo's said).
Again that's my opinion so I'm not trying to shove it down anyone's throats lol.
I'm still pretty excited for the Wii U's software. Software is what matters.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
It appears you have zero reading comprehension because you completely misunderstood my post. Well done.
1. HD != "power" any more. Everything is in HD. It would be pointless to put out a system that only ran SD. The majority of homes finally have an HD television, which is when Nintendo said they'd put out an HD console.
2. I wasn't talking "technically" when I said Wii was crushing the HD console for years--I was talking about sales. You're actually proving my point.
3. The reason the Wii is selling terribly is because Nintendo is effectively killing it off. It has gotten almost no first-party support in the last year other than Zelda. It's done.
I wonder if there's just a guy sitting there 24/7 pressing F5 on this thread.
HEY THERE STRANGER! YOO HOO! *waves*
I wonder if there's just a guy sitting there 24/7 pressing F5 on this thread.
HEY THERE STRANGER! YOO HOO! *waves*
I bet that he is even one of us.. but who?
Probably Ace :lol
I wonder if there's just a guy sitting there 24/7 pressing F5 on this thread.
HEY THERE STRANGER! YOO HOO! *waves*
that sounds like every gaf member who posts regularly in this thread >_>
Not me *sweats*
I wonder if there's just a guy sitting there 24/7 pressing F5 on this thread.
HEY THERE STRANGER! YOO HOO! *waves*
Yeah it was the guy who wrote this article:
http://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/an-industry-exclusive-look-into-next-gen-wii-u/
What bad news D=?
OrangeGrayBlue
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They have suggested otherwise. It's as plain as day. Sony has introduced Move and Microsoft has introduced Kinect. They've already ventured further into alternative control schemes than Nintendo ever did prior to announcing the Wii. And they're doing things like this because they know that substantial power differences don't equate to substantial visual differences any more. You need to draw people in with experiences that can't be found anywhere else, not just a prettier experience than your last system provided. To just toss out a big powerful box with a controller won't cut it which is what's led to the multimedia abilities of all three consoles and, in the Wii's instance, the nontraditional control scheme. Continue with your line of thought if you wish, but you're setting yourself up to be wrong by saying they'll continue doing what they've done because they've done it that way for a while. You would have never predicted electric cars, motion controls, touch screens, flat panels, or any other unprecedented piece of technology that has now become a staple of modern life with your way of thinking, so you can't blame people for attributing little worth to such a pedantic perspective.
Here's what I don't understand. What if a developer chooses not to have super complex scenes rendering on the 480p screen? Like more simple stuff on the controller's screen like inventory menus, maps, etc.
Can that give a significant boost to the graphics presented on your tv screen?
fabricated backlash
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To be quite honest with you guys: 720p for current gen games is pathethic. I understand that the devkits might not be optimized yet and engines have some optimization to go as well, but if the WiiU is only capable of running current games at 720p, there is simply no way in hell it's going to run next gen engines or games.
I'm more and more preparing myself to have the wiiU as my Nintendo Game machine. Probably going to get a PS4 for 3rd party games. Honestly, at this point, not being able to render current gen games in 1080p and at least 30fps is just a botched piece of hardware. If this is true, I won't spend more than 250 Euros on the WiiU.
I'm more and more preparing myself to have the wiiU as my Nintendo Game machine. Probably going to get a PS4 for 3rd party games. Honestly, at this point, not being able to render current gen games in 1080p and at least 30fps is just a botched piece of hardware. If this is true, I won't spend more than 250 Euros on the WiiU.
Yes.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Let's all be honest here: Who honestly expects most 3rd parties to make a good use of that screen?
I don't. The industry has been floundering for years when it comes to innovative ideas. I don't see that changing anytime soon.
My guess is that most games take full advantage of the system's power and instead use the screen for inventory/map data at a lower resolution. If 3rd parties are clamoring for more power, that's simply what they'll do.
I don't. The industry has been floundering for years when it comes to innovative ideas. I don't see that changing anytime soon.
My guess is that most games take full advantage of the system's power and instead use the screen for inventory/map data at a lower resolution. If 3rd parties are clamoring for more power, that's simply what they'll do.
The only reason I find it pathetic is because all we heard out of Reggie's mouth was 1080p, 1080p, 1080p.
I expect third party sales to get a huge boost in sales on Wii U in 2012 and then completely collapse in 2013/2014 when everyone decides to buy the Xbox 720/PS4 versions of a game.
And then people will say third parties are to blame for the Wii U versions having bad sales when its completely Nintendo's fault.
Glorified G
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This is great. Can't come up with a reasonable argument. Move the goal posts, come up with an Ad hominem attack. Well done.
Goal posts alert! I thought Visual power doesn't matter to consumers, right? Having a system running on SD would still work on an HD TV's so what difference would it make?
"Technically" I like to use facts. Wii crushed Xbox 360, fact. Wii crushed PS3, fact. Wii crushed HD systems, not fact. I understand your overall point, but your still wrong.
I tend to agree. Deep down, I bet that most people would go with being a one-console household if they were able to play most - not even necessarily "all" - of the third party titles they want.
I've never seen that happen.. and I've played through it a gazillion timesl Weird!
bleh
no 1080p versions of current gen games kinda screams underpowered to me
It may not seem like too big a problem during the first few years of the console's lifespan, but if the rumours are true, Wii U games are probably going to look like ass compared to 720 and PS4 games later in the gen.
I certainly hope it's not this gen all over again.
no 1080p versions of current gen games kinda screams underpowered to me
It may not seem like too big a problem during the first few years of the console's lifespan, but if the rumours are true, Wii U games are probably going to look like ass compared to 720 and PS4 games later in the gen.
I certainly hope it's not this gen all over again.
That's how I understood it. So say a game like Darksiders, say they choose to only use the tablet screen to inventory they could possibly push 1080p/60fps with enhanced visuals over the 360/ps3 or at least that's how it sounded to me.
How very optimistic!
If Nintendo Juicy titles get a team to begin with, I'd be surprised.
As tempting as it is to be optimistic/positive about this issue (and there certainly are reasons), I'm still skeptical of third parties. They'll point at the amount of RAM vs the others, the "odd" controller, the idea that their (usually shitty B-team) games don't sell well on Nintendo consoles..
Lol what?
i'm just waiting for the first game to just show a bad compressed jpeg of the game logo all the time on the screen. Gonna happen, just wait for it.
and if you touch it, it will make a fart noise
Could be. However, if they actually exist at something approximating feature parity, it's still a better 3rd party situation than Nintendo enjoyed with the Wii.
lordfroakie
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Can we stop with this "true next gen" crap? Only thing I considered "next gen", is the way we play games differently than other systems. They're more important than graphics in my opinion.
He's an incredibly nice guy. (And his knowledge of gaming music is nigh-encyclopedic). The amount of work he does every week to collect info is astounding, and he and his crew have yet to miss a weekend for making a podcast in almost SEVEN years. That's dedication.
I wonder if there's just a guy sitting there 24/7 pressing F5 on this thread.
HEY THERE STRANGER! YOO HOO! *waves*
Nah.. they have eyes and ears everywhere. And an easy tip submission process.
Remember when I said that Nintendo fans would do well to give the finger to most mainstream, hardcorier-than-thou gaming news sites, and that they'd be better off going with dedicated news/fan sites? Yeah.
fabricated backlash
Member
If those rumours are true, it's going to be exactly like this gen again. I'm sorry but anyone trying to defend WiiU being merely able to run 720p plus another 480p of current gen games is merely kidding themselves.
Sure we might get "enhanced" 360/PS3 ports for a while, but for a machine in 2012 it's hardly impressive.
Also, you can forget about having Next Gen Engines on it. Even if MS and Sony aren't going for cutting edge, they're going to outclass such a console with ease.
Even if they were able to run 720/PS4 games on the WiiU in subHD, they would still have to ignore having anything more complex than a menuscreen on the Tablet, and that would make that feature pretty much useless as it's going to be a novelty at best instead of a real enhancement of gameplay.
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