herzogzwei1989
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Rösti;36377000 said:
Thanks, already posted ^__^
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Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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Thanks, already posted ^__^
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Rösti
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The search function lied to me. Ah well.
SegatoFenghsen
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Exactly. The Wii was a unique case. I'm mostly a lurker that comes here to check the news, and this pessimism is getting pretty annoying. People just don't seem to give up. I doubt that the Wii U will be the Xbox of the next gen, but I think "Good enough" hardware for decent ports is likely. I think only the really stingy publishers will ignore Nintendo, and hardware will have little to do with it this time. Its not like Nintendo is going with really old architecture again. I'm more worried about how Nintendo will go about courting those publishers that are making excuses.
IceDoesntHelp
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You've got to be kidding me...
Disorientator
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yeah, but what subject can we take? it's not like there's any real new info since last e3...
which is pretty unbelievable.
GameplayWhore
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There was an alternate rumour that the Wii U would be capable of Samaritan at 720p, though that might have just been a second-order followup of that first AMD engineer thing. Samaritan at 720p would require ~1.1 TFLOPS (assuming that it scales down linearly from the stated 2.5 TFLOPS requirement of the demo at 1080p).
However, it is really important to note the cpu thing. If you're coding close to the metal on the Xbox 360, its 3-core cpu would yield higher performance than if you did a blind recompile without putting any effort into the hardware on the Wii U, given the rumours of its more powerful albeit still 3-core cpu. I personally believe that this is a major factor in most of the assertions claiming that the Xbox 360 seems to sometimes have higher performance.
I also think that there will be no consoles that have astonishingly higher cpu-dependent performance compared to the Xbox 360. I mean, is it even worth it from a heat dissipation standpoint to put in a six- or eight- core processor when you can use that extra temperature buffer to up the gpu, which is considered vastly more important in game performance?*
Rösti;36377098 said:
If you blink, a new page is generated while your eyes are closed.
* I'm not being an apologist nearly as much as this paragraph makes it seem
IceDoesntHelp
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People who have created them in their free time?
TheCongressman1
Member
Incredibly fake. I could do a better cover with my eyes closed. Besides, four Sonic characters, Pacman, and Spyro? Come on...
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Will Pikmin be online and have voicechat???
herzogzwei1989
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Hey, I wonder, if you're playing a game on the big screen, can you do a video-call on the small screen to your buddy across the country or around the world to get some help in the game you're playing?
tkscz
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How would anyone here know that?
Disorientator
Member
Did you listen to any of those man?
People are composing orchestras at this level, just for fun?
Can someone confirm if the tracks are from released titles?
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Yes confirmed then, thanks.
tkscz
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Sorry, typo.
TheCongressman1
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I'm probably late to this but:
Am I the only one who was excited by this development? A more "modernized" version/variant of the HD4770 would be a really good GPU baseline for the Wii U imo. Taxing a card like that could also explain all the weird inconsistencies we've been hearing about the Wii U being X much better than the PS360 or not with padlet use incorporated.
It sucks because one part of me really does enjoy the spec talking, but not for dick waving reasons. It's more like I want to get a grasp of what will be possible (as well as a partial confirmation that the system will see ports of games in the future when .
Am I the only one who was excited by this development? A more "modernized" version/variant of the HD4770 would be a really good GPU baseline for the Wii U imo. Taxing a card like that could also explain all the weird inconsistencies we've been hearing about the Wii U being X much better than the PS360 or not with padlet use incorporated.
It sucks because one part of me really does enjoy the spec talking, but not for dick waving reasons. It's more like I want to get a grasp of what will be possible (as well as a partial confirmation that the system will see ports of games in the future when .
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Since this is the specualtion thread, I just asked that.
Do you guys think the odds are high or low that Pikmin for the Wii U will have online and/or voicechat???
Do you guys think the odds are high or low that Pikmin for the Wii U will have online and/or voicechat???
Damn you, tkscz!
You can talk to your Pikmins like Hey You, Pikachu!
I'm trying to think this through.. if Nintendo had never shown the new uPad controller, and if they had been completely 100% mum on the topic of next-gen, saying "wait until E3" - would we be nearly this deep in speculation?
Talking a tiny bit, showing the controller and a brief video or two, and then stopping, leaving us wanting more - a bit evil?
I think someone said that it should be technically possible after I asked a similar question months ago. Although, Nintendo has yet to demonstrate or confirm it.
do it then. everybody can talk
TheCongressman1
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I already started, foo'.
GameplayWhore
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According to its info on the 'pedia, it's just short of 1 TFLOPS that we've been chatting about. It's still substantially more powerful than what is in the Xbox 360, but I agree that once you have it rendering two difference scenes at once, it would not seem so substantially more powerful.
That's one of the reasons why I'm trying to do a data dump every now and then to try to set reasonable bounds of expectation whenever somebody throws a giant vague monkey wrench around. There are people more qualified to do this, of course, but I'm hoping that it helps drive the conversation slightly away from total madness.
But.... it's Nintendo fans.
fabricated backlash
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Hey at least the negative outlook now is on par with current gen. Quite the upgrade from 2011 where it was considered fact that the WiiU would be weaker than the 360 and PS3, given the abysmal looking sizzle reel they've shown during their conference (oh the irony and crow eating)
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Rösti
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I can contribute though by noting nothing interesting has been found in any SEC filings lately (except for in the MoSys filing where we learned that Wii U won't incorporate 1T-SRAM) and the trademark processes seem to be progressing very slowly. For the opposition of the Wii U trademark by Information Technology Junction Ltd. in England, the current stage is with an admissibility check the Office for Harmonization in the Internal Market does for every CTM opposition. I've tried to find out how long such an admissibility check takes but found nothing. The opposition was made anyway on the 27th of January.
While I doubt Information Technology Junction can put up much of a fight against Nintendo, I doubt an agreement will come on day one. And in worst case scenario, this will go on for many months and Nintendo may be forced to either change the name of the console internationally or call it something else in England.
More info about this here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35825598&postcount=17588
Better for Nintendo would be if the opposition is found inadmissible, as otherwise this is what follows:
Source: http://oami.europa.eu/ows/rw/pages/CTM/regProcess/oppositionProceedings.en.do
While I doubt Information Technology Junction can put up much of a fight against Nintendo, I doubt an agreement will come on day one. And in worst case scenario, this will go on for many months and Nintendo may be forced to either change the name of the console internationally or call it something else in England.
More info about this here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35825598&postcount=17588
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I still can't get over the fact that some thought videos of 360/PS3 games looked worse than 360/PS3 games.
Is this 1TFLOP GPU quote actual sustained performance or is like the BS estimates like the 1TFLOP total count for the 360 (lol) and 2TFLOP total for the ps3 (lol)?
That much performance on the GPU alone, in such a small box, sounds like it's just asking for heating issues.
There are some key differences why the Wii-U should enjoy better support than the Wii, even if the system is a generation behind (relatively speaking) again. Disappointed Ars didn't mention this.
That much performance on the GPU alone, in such a small box, sounds like it's just asking for heating issues.
Rösti;36377000 said:
There are some key differences why the Wii-U should enjoy better support than the Wii, even if the system is a generation behind (relatively speaking) again. Disappointed Ars didn't mention this.
That would be really disappointing if Nintendo thinks they are finally doing online right, but leave out basic features like this still in 2012.
Since the WiiU pad has a mic on it, I say chances are high.
IceDoesntHelp
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A basic feature is to have online? Are you serious?
This was one of my E3 highlights. Goddamn.
Cygnus X-1
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I simply can't believe how fast this thread is still growing
ViewtifulJC
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Spieler Eins
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Lots of people in this gen were also dead serious calling Wii games that looked slightly worse than Mario Galaxy on par with N64. Many people last gen were also convinced that PS2 had the strongest visuals.
It certainly won't get better as soon as real WiiU footage shows up, regardless of how good it might look, haha.
IceDoesntHelp
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He's talking about Pikmin 3, and so was I..not the console...
-Pyromaniac-
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definitely a classic moment in the psychoanalytical history of forum posters
It's a sequel to a game that already had multiplayer so yes. Having multiplayer of any sort(unless it's a small minigame) should always be online, especially for a company with as many resources as Nintendo.
These are not some small indie guys working out of their basement.
Nope. The mic is for Hey You Pikachu 2 and Mario Party 6... 2.
If I was calling the shots, Pikmin's online multiplayer would be modeled on Dark Souls'.
IceDoesntHelp
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I guess, but I'd rather not have multiplayer in any form. I'm the 1%
GameplayWhore
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The TDP of the aforementioned ~0.96TFLOPS gpu on a 40nm process was 80W. Does anybody know the TDP of Xenos? I could not find it with a basic web search. All I got is that the power draw of the Xbox 360 was near to 200W as a whole. And does anybody know what the feature size on the Wii U gpu is rumoured to be?
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Rösti
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Well, wasn't one of the key reasons to why Wii didn't feature unified (meaning an OS feature and not something specific for a certain game) online voice chat Nintendo fearing that pedophiles and other sexual predators would be searching for victims through it, seeing as a great demographic of Nintendo is adolescent children?
With Nintendo Network, I can definitely see online voice chat, though by default properly sealed behind a myriad of parental settings. It would be rather stupid to not include such a basic feature as voice chat.
With Nintendo Network, I can definitely see online voice chat, though by default properly sealed behind a myriad of parental settings. It would be rather stupid to not include such a basic feature as voice chat.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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All your agenda are belong to us.
Spieler Eins
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Odama 2 confirmed.
That's going to stand out for a very long time. I like to hope those that made those comments regret them but I doubt it.
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