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Inaba (Platinum Games): Bayonetta 2 would not exist without Nintendo
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evilromero
Member
Not so clear cut. Yes, Other M objectively sucked but Wario World was quite fun, and the multiplayer in Assault was ahead of its time (and still oh so fun today). Adventures was pretty bland I'll admit but what a weird statement considering Rare did wonderful things with the Donkey Kong franchise.
I actually thought about that scenario, that they keep the original dmc a niche game, low budget and release it on wii u.
To the haters -- Sony and Microsoft didn't care. Nintendo did. Accept it! SHEESH!!
Whether you like their games or not, Nintendo are taking care of a small, dedicated developer with heaps of talent, a developer that otherwise would likely have been out of business right now.
It's sad that some people on GAF would rather have seen this happen than the alternative, which is for Bayonetta 2 to appear on a different platform from the first game.
Whether you like their games or not, Nintendo are taking care of a small, dedicated developer with heaps of talent, a developer that otherwise would likely have been out of business right now.
It's sad that some people on GAF would rather have seen this happen than the alternative, which is for Bayonetta 2 to appear on a different platform from the first game.
slightly off-topic hypothetical
What do you think would result in bigger meltdowns:
A new Valkyria Chronicles game going exclusive to Wii U or to Xbox 360?
I think it's an interesting question because I suspect a lot of the series' fans have an inclination towards PS3/Wii this gen rather than PS3/360. But, then again, any game going exclusive to a Nintendo platform will undoubtedly cause pitchforks to rise.
What do you think would result in bigger meltdowns:
A new Valkyria Chronicles game going exclusive to Wii U or to Xbox 360?
I think it's an interesting question because I suspect a lot of the series' fans have an inclination towards PS3/Wii this gen rather than PS3/360. But, then again, any game going exclusive to a Nintendo platform will undoubtedly cause pitchforks to rise.
And it would be GLORIOUS. :lol
Edit: On the other hand, it would kind of make sense, if they really were serious about trying to have it so "both DMC and DmC could peacefully co-exist"...
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I have been trying to avoid conversation about Bayonetta 2 simply because of how ridiculous this whole situation is. In my opinion, this whole thing has been overblown to such a point it really is showing some of the worst sides of gamers and console elitism. I know that might be an overblown statement but I would of liked to believe gamers were maturing past these days.
What's even more mind-boggling is that this whole outcry is over Bayonetta 2. Bayonetta was a great game, don't get me wrong... But it sold like shit. Better than some of Platinum's other games, but it sold only 400,000 copies in the US. Where the fuck is this all coming from, it's not like the first game was uber popular or anything, this was almost a cult classic type of game... Really good, but undersold its worth. It seems people are caring more about the controversy than many did about the original game itself.
And then why is there controversy? People try to pass off the Wii U saying it doesn't have 'core' games, then it gets such a game and the internet just goes batshit crazy over it saying the Wii U is for kiddy games and acting like this is some crime against them. The whole situation also could of been better if some news sites weren't leeching off this controversy and essentially fanning the flames.
This whole controversy is completely hypocritical in almost every sense. I don't want to be a defender, I'm just really happy Bayonetta 2 is actually being made and would love to talk about it, but seemingly can't as everyone is so super-focused on this 'controversy'. I believe there is some huge misunderstandings with how hard it is as a developer to get a game like Bayonetta published, with how it sold and how far it is from, in publishers eyes, 'core' gaming. Being able to make what you want to make and have creative freedom is an extremely difficult thing to do, especially for a game that is not guaranteed to sell.
What's even more mind-boggling is that this whole outcry is over Bayonetta 2. Bayonetta was a great game, don't get me wrong... But it sold like shit. Better than some of Platinum's other games, but it sold only 400,000 copies in the US. Where the fuck is this all coming from, it's not like the first game was uber popular or anything, this was almost a cult classic type of game... Really good, but undersold its worth. It seems people are caring more about the controversy than many did about the original game itself.
And then why is there controversy? People try to pass off the Wii U saying it doesn't have 'core' games, then it gets such a game and the internet just goes batshit crazy over it saying the Wii U is for kiddy games and acting like this is some crime against them. The whole situation also could of been better if some news sites weren't leeching off this controversy and essentially fanning the flames.
This whole controversy is completely hypocritical in almost every sense. I don't want to be a defender, I'm just really happy Bayonetta 2 is actually being made and would love to talk about it, but seemingly can't as everyone is so super-focused on this 'controversy'. I believe there is some huge misunderstandings with how hard it is as a developer to get a game like Bayonetta published, with how it sold and how far it is from, in publishers eyes, 'core' gaming. Being able to make what you want to make and have creative freedom is an extremely difficult thing to do, especially for a game that is not guaranteed to sell.
Karsticles
Member
I think you are roughly correct.
Clay Davis
Member
I'm one of the few who didn't like the first game but I do appreciate nintendo saving this franchise from a dreary future. if I could have one wish fulfilled, I would have liked nintendo to fund a new vanquish instead of this. I thought that was brilliant and a sequel using the gamepad would have been nice.
TDLink
Member
I can't believe this whole dumb conversation is happening again. It's pretty simple.
This game was dead. Nintendo saved it. That is awesome. Actual fans of Bayonetta and/or Platinum Games recognize this and are thrilled. I would hazard to guess that people who are angry haven't even played Bayonetta before.
So the common excuses as to why this is "terrible" seem to be:
1. The Wii U has more than one game. Even knowing only what is coming out on the system through March (other than Bayo 2) I am pretty sure there are multiple games for everyone. Why do you like Bayonetta 2 but not the other games announced?
Do you like third person action games? If you do then the Ninja Gaiden 3 remake is coming. Fist of the North Star 2 is coming. Warriors Orochi 3 Hyper is coming. Monster Hunter Ultimate is coming. Darksiders 2 with more content is coming. Do you like Platinum games? The Wonderful 101 is also coming.
2. Consoles aren't that expensive in the big scheme of things. Anyone with a job that's a bit above minimum wage can easily afford to own all of the systems and regularly buy games for them. Ok, so maybe you don't have a job because you are still a kid/in high school. That's fine to say, but recognize most adults can actually afford to buy multiple systems, and do. Even when I was in High School I don't remember a single friend who only had one system. Granted, I probably hung out with more gamers than non-gamers...but if you are posting on this forum (and you are) then you are probably in the same boat.
Hypothetically even if you could only own one system, for some reason, there really isn't a justifiable reason why it shouldn't be Wii U but should be some other system that hasn't been announced or had anything confirmed about it yet. On the flip side, of course there is no reason why it has to be a Wii U either and it isn't better to wait and see what all 3 companies have to offer before deciding, but I see this point of view expressed very rarely.
3. Japanese third parties actually do like Nintendo. That is why you see stuff like Monster Hunter Ultimate and Dragon Quest X exclusive to their platform. Western third parties typically like developing on PC more than console and I don't really think they "dislike" any particular console. They put their games where they think they can make money without also having to expend many extra resources to make a game work on a system with drastically different architecture.
4. Well I can't help you there or understand where you are coming from, but at least you're being honest instead of using one of the 3 above mostly bullshit excuses.
This game was dead. Nintendo saved it. That is awesome. Actual fans of Bayonetta and/or Platinum Games recognize this and are thrilled. I would hazard to guess that people who are angry haven't even played Bayonetta before.
So the common excuses as to why this is "terrible" seem to be:
- "I don't want to buy a Wii U for one game"
- "I can only afford to buy one console this gen and I don't want it to be a Wii U"
- "I don't want the game on a Nintendo platform because third parties don't like Nintendo"
- "I don't want the game on a Nintendo platform because I don't like Nintendo"
1. The Wii U has more than one game. Even knowing only what is coming out on the system through March (other than Bayo 2) I am pretty sure there are multiple games for everyone. Why do you like Bayonetta 2 but not the other games announced?
Do you like third person action games? If you do then the Ninja Gaiden 3 remake is coming. Fist of the North Star 2 is coming. Warriors Orochi 3 Hyper is coming. Monster Hunter Ultimate is coming. Darksiders 2 with more content is coming. Do you like Platinum games? The Wonderful 101 is also coming.
2. Consoles aren't that expensive in the big scheme of things. Anyone with a job that's a bit above minimum wage can easily afford to own all of the systems and regularly buy games for them. Ok, so maybe you don't have a job because you are still a kid/in high school. That's fine to say, but recognize most adults can actually afford to buy multiple systems, and do. Even when I was in High School I don't remember a single friend who only had one system. Granted, I probably hung out with more gamers than non-gamers...but if you are posting on this forum (and you are) then you are probably in the same boat.
Hypothetically even if you could only own one system, for some reason, there really isn't a justifiable reason why it shouldn't be Wii U but should be some other system that hasn't been announced or had anything confirmed about it yet. On the flip side, of course there is no reason why it has to be a Wii U either and it isn't better to wait and see what all 3 companies have to offer before deciding, but I see this point of view expressed very rarely.
3. Japanese third parties actually do like Nintendo. That is why you see stuff like Monster Hunter Ultimate and Dragon Quest X exclusive to their platform. Western third parties typically like developing on PC more than console and I don't really think they "dislike" any particular console. They put their games where they think they can make money without also having to expend many extra resources to make a game work on a system with drastically different architecture.
4. Well I can't help you there or understand where you are coming from, but at least you're being honest instead of using one of the 3 above mostly bullshit excuses.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
They aren't comparable
Two different studios with different philosophies and expertise trying to achieve different things that appeal to different audiences
this line of discussion is just stupid fanboy garbage(as to not single you out. You're not the only one guilty)
Kind of ironic that it occurs in a thread where people are complaining about people being stupid fanboys about consoles
Well I mean it's a weird situation.
How often does a multiplatform new IP get a sequel exclusive to one console that is published by a completely different company?
Part of the reason people are so angry is confusion. Not everyone reads gaf and paid attention to the rumors about the game's cancellation on here.(and for good reason)
I agree the controversy is dumb. I love the original Bayonetta, and Bayonetta 2 on Wii U will make me buy the system. If Nintendo didn't step in to cover development, this sequel wouldn't be made. So I really don't know what there is to complain about. Bayonetta is a cult hit. It wasn't profitable enough for Sega to green light a sequel.
There are two options. Either we get the game with Nintendo funding the rest of development or the game doesn't exist. I'll take being able to play the sequel. If the Wii U pad is too bulky for this type of experience I'll pick up a Pro Controller.
your rational logic has no place here.
This isn't surprising, but Hideki Kamiya said via Twitter that Nintendo producers are involved with Platinum Games on Bayonetta 2.
"Yup. RT @mjpingram Are there any Nintendo producers working on Bayonetta 2. I know it's a common practice for games they publish."
https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/249401468434669568
"Yup. RT @mjpingram Are there any Nintendo producers working on Bayonetta 2. I know it's a common practice for games they publish."
https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/249401468434669568
KillerTravis
Banned
You forgot to bold DKCR as well. That statement is completely off.
metalslimer
Member
DKCR was good, Metroid Prime is one of the greatest designed games of all time. Well Bayonetta is one of the greatest designed games of its genre too so the whole fucking debate its horribly stupid.
Bayo2 ruined by waggle confirmed
Riposte
Member
That's assuming everyone is going to believe the entirety of what you wrote.
Karsticles
Member
Sequels to good games tend to sell better than the original when it's a fresh IP, regardless.
Gracious and glorious replaced by mario and luigi
metalslimer
Member
Well I honestly don't care. The debate is still dumb comparing completely different genres from completely different developers
this post is all kinds of wrongggg
Crazyorloco
Member
It feels like it...i have the same consoles. I think they compliment each other well. I think next ill get a wii u and either the ps4/xbox 720
BishopLamont
Banned
Its pretty much a fact.
Riposte
Member
Which I specifically didn't do, but no one bothered to realize that. And this isn't much of a debate either.
They did one for that one Wii musou game that koei ported regardless of exclusivity to ps3.
Also Sega still owns the bayo ip.
I actually want to know exactly what's going on with this; has Nintendo taken partial ownership? They talked about wanting to grow the brand and I can't imagine that Nintendo would sign up for that without a clear stake.
Same here. In fact I own all three platforms this gen and have a PC collection. I just prefer to game mostly on my 360 or Wii.
Kacho
Member
Fucking sweet.
I am not really sure about that.
That's the cool thing about having one console that's significantly different from the others in terms of specs/mechanics/etc.
For the first time in years, I've felt compelled to own two consoles: they ended up being Wii and PS3. I could probably justify a 360 to myself as well, but since it's so similar to the PS3 I never felt the need for it. Between Wii and PS3 I've gotten to play such a wide scope of games this gen, I'm tremendously glad Nintendo went in a different direction. It would've been so boring if Wii were a GameCube 2.
Nintendo partnered to publish Fatal Frame and we later learned that they acquired partial ownership of the IP, it's no longer quite so clear that Sega has 100% ownership.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Wait so now people are thinking Nintendo is like that dude who resurrects stuff?
I had a good laugh as well
Principate
Saint Titanfall
That's hardly a rule, there's several examples some this gen that beg to differ.
Why else would Sega's name be in the credits?
Do we know that? People always toss this around, but to this date I haven't seen a solid source for the claim.
Omg if timesplitters became nintendo's go to shooter next gen i will fucking be all over that shit. :0 they really need a shooter too.
Expected, though. I hope Yurie Hattori is on it and co-writing.
Maybe, maybe not. It's the only game shown at the presentation that lacked any copyright notice whatsoever for some strange reason.
During the recent Japanese Nintendo Direct broadcast, Nintendo showed the teaser to Bayonetta 2. Now after the presentation the title as well as copyright owners of the clips, teasers, videos etc. shown during the presentation were displayed. Every single game displayed had its copyright owner and title shown except Bayonetta 2.
Another thing is if you visit Platinum Games's website and go through the information on all the games that Platinum Games have developed you will find things like the "release date", "title of the game", "developer", "publisher", "copyright owner" etc all displayed for the particular game that you selected. Clicking on games like Wonderful 101 will show you that the IP is owned by Nintendo/Platinum Games likewise clicking on Metal Gear Revengance will show you that the IP is owned by Konami.
Here is where it gets a bit tricky. If you click on Bayonetta 1 it shows information like "release date", "title of the game", "developer", "publisher", "copyright owner". Now the copyright owner of Bayonetta 1 is indeed Sega but if you click on Bayonetta 2 you will see that the owner of the copyright has not been stated. The absence of copyright owners name during Nintendo's Wii U preview event as well as Platinum Games website lack of information on Bayonetta 2's copyright owner leads me to believe that Nintendo might have bought or is in the process of buying the IP.