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Disorientator
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(03-21-2013, 06:49 PM)
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Sony seems to be exploring different ways/reasons to award trophies to users, even for games that don't natively support them.

To be more specific, in this patent application they talk about awarding trophies using disk access "triggers".

You can get a general idea of how it works below.

United States Patent Application 2013007355

Title: METHOD AND APPARATUS FOR AWARDING TROPHIES
Published: 03/21/2013
Filed: 09/19/2012

Abstract:

A method and apparatus for adding trophy support games that do not have trophies without modifying the original game. The method and apparatus are used to detect particular disk access, use the detected disk access as potential trophy triggers in games, and recognize the triggers while a game is played. Trophies are awarded based on the triggers, and the awarded trophies are stored.





Headed to PS4?


lOck/mOck IF Old
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V_Ben
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(03-21-2013, 06:51 PM)
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Ok, so that would be a pretty sweet way to let people get Trophies from PS1 and PS2 classics.

Also it woud let Insomniac patch Resistance 1 with trophies. Bwahaha.
BomberMouse
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(03-21-2013, 06:51 PM)
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Great so basically trophies for ps2 and psx games
edgefusion
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(03-21-2013, 06:53 PM)
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This is just a patent. It means next to nothing. Companies file patents for all manner of things near constantly. It's a cool idea but that's all it is, an idea.
brandonh83
(03-21-2013, 06:53 PM)
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If FF12 were ever given trophies I'm pretty sure I would develop a blood clot in both of my legs for never standing up.
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(03-21-2013, 06:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by brandonh83

If FF12 were ever given trophies I'm pretty sure I would develop a blood clot in both of my legs for never standing up.

lol
Ridley327
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(03-21-2013, 06:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by brandonh83

If FF12 were ever given trophies I'm pretty sure I would develop a blood clot in both of my legs for never standing up.

Risking Deep Thrombosis (Bronze)
Defeat Yiazmat
Cat Party
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(03-21-2013, 06:54 PM)
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Neat idea.

I can't believe something like this can even feasibly be patented.
sono
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(03-21-2013, 06:55 PM)
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I expect that PS4 will have trophies for all new games as standard it was only initial PS3 games that didnt have them, it was added as PS3 feature after launch. So I would assume its for PS3 games.

MGS4 trophies incoming ?(I wish)

However it seems there are issues with this alternative approach. e.g for a digital download you can not rely on a prior analysis of the hard disk access because the game binaries will stored in different places on the hard disk for each user ... and also even for bluray games the games are subsequently patched with patches stored on the hard drive - meaning a given bluray disk location may not even be accessed after patching ?. So this seems like a lot of work for someone to maintain when you could just patch the game!

I am all for trophies though, I like them mainly for a permanent memory of progress of games long finished.
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Carl
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So now we can have trophies for PS1/PS2 gaems plz.

Originally Posted by sono

MGS4 trophies incoming ?(I wish)

Dude... that happened last year
Ridley327
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(03-21-2013, 06:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by sono

I expect that PS4 will have trophies for all new games as standard it was only initial PS3 games that didnt have them, it was added as PS3 feature after launch. So I would assume its for PS3 games.

MGS4 trophies incoming ?(I wish)

However it seems there issues with this alternative approach. e.g for a digital download you can analyze the hard disk access because the game binaries will stored in different places for each user, and also even for blurays the games are patched meaning a given disk location may not be accessed after patching ?.

I am all for trophies though, I like them mainly for a permanent memory of progress of games long finished.

I have some good news for you!
Toki767
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I wonder if we'd just end up getting generic trophy icons. I don't want those. Part of the fun of getting trophies is seeing the icon/artwork associated with them.
Orca
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Apparently if they want to push new sales, they should lock out trophies/achievements from being earned on used ones.
brandonh83
(03-21-2013, 06:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ridley327

Risking Deep Thrombosis (Bronze)
Defeat Yiazmat

And I've actually did this... once more may be the death of me.
Disorientator
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(03-21-2013, 06:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by edgefusion

This is just a patent. It means next to nothing. Companies file patents for all manner of things near constantly. It's a cool idea but that's all it is, an idea.

Browsing patents (and applications) imo is the easiest way, for the average joe (like me), to get into the minds of companies and their research teams.

It doesn't matter if it will never materialize.

Just the fact that they've looked into it and we have -free- access to it, is cool enough for me.
giancarlo123x
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(03-21-2013, 06:57 PM)
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Aerith is dead-bronze trophy unlocked
giancarlo123x
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(03-21-2013, 06:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Toki767

I wonder if we'd just end up getting generic trophy icons. I don't want those. Part of the fun of getting trophies is seeing the icon/artwork associated with them.

Unless youre playing a god of war game. Generic logo for all icons.
Edit:didnt mean to double post.
androvsky
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(03-21-2013, 06:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Toki767

I wonder if we'd just end up getting generic trophy icons. I don't want those.

This method will take a lot of work for each game to set up the triggers, probably a lot more work than putting trophies in a regular game with source access. I'd only expect this to only happen on a few chosen games; if they're going through the trouble to identify disk access patterns, they're probably going to put in unique trophy art.
GraveRobberX
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(03-21-2013, 06:59 PM)
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Me reading:


My mind racing, getting ready:


Outcome:


Bring it on, My Beard and Body has been Ready!
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Andrefpvs
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(03-21-2013, 08:44 PM)
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You know, this thread would have a lot more views if the title mentioned "possible trophy support for old titles." I only found it because I was looking for it :P

But yeah, reading through their patent, it can be done by analysing patterns (I had assumed RAM monitoring, but they appear to be developing their own tech) and assigning a title ID to a unique set of patterns and trophy IDs to other patterns after the title has been identified.


Originally Posted by sono

MGS4 trophies incoming ?(I wish)

lol
Disorientator
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(03-21-2013, 09:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Andrefpvs

You know, this thread would have a lot more views if the title mentioned "possible trophy support for old titles." I only found it because I was looking for it :P

You are right. Title is kinda stupid.

I changed it (still weird imo) but obviously that doesn't change the thread..emm..title.

Maybe a mod can jump in.

Anyways EN not my 1st language - titles can get tricky at times :P
Schobeleth
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(03-21-2013, 09:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by GraveRobberX

Me reading:


My mind racing, getting ready:


Outcome:


Bring it on, My Beard and Body has been Ready!

Dude I'm dying over here.

Hopefully this means they can finally fix the mistakes that lots of lazy devs made with pre-mandatory trophies :\ I know a lot of people don't care about them but it's another selling point for a game if it has fun trophies/achievements, in my opinion. Pre-mandatory trophies lots of games didn't even get them, because of budgeting or whatever.
darkwing
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(03-21-2013, 09:25 PM)
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wow this is a pretty neat idea
punkmaggit
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(03-21-2013, 09:26 PM)
So... trophies for Valkyria Chronicles!
BibiMaghoo
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(03-21-2013, 09:29 PM)
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There are times Sony, when doing nothing with a patent is cool for everyone.

This is not one of those times.

Make it happen.
Schobeleth
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(03-21-2013, 09:29 PM)
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IGN was on this one pretty fast:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/03/...d-ps2-classics

Although they do credit Gaf.
PetriP-TNT
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(03-21-2013, 09:31 PM)
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Really awesome idea actually!
GraveRobberX
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Originally Posted by punkmaggit

So... trophies for Valkyria Chronicles!

Fuck that start early in the Generation and work your way up!

Resistance FOM + Folklore first please =3
Oemenia
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(03-21-2013, 09:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by punkmaggit

So... trophies for Valkyria Chronicles!

First thing that came to my mind...
Live Free or Die
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Originally Posted by sono

MGS4 trophies incoming ?(I wish)

Joke post? Where have you been the last year? Lol
RangerBAD
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(03-21-2013, 09:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by punkmaggit

So... trophies for Valkyria Chronicles!

dallow_bg
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(03-21-2013, 09:34 PM)
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Would be cool if ever came to fruition.
Donos
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(03-21-2013, 09:35 PM)
GraveRobberX are you ok? Speak with us. Breathe !

Edit: missed your post, new Avatar got me consufed.
GraveRobberX
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Originally Posted by Donos

GraveRobberX are you ok? Speak with us. Breathe !

Sup'

I'm doing just fine
BobTheFork
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Originally Posted by GraveRobberX

Fuck that start early in the Generation and work your way up!

Resistance FOM + Folklore first please =3

And Hot Shots Golf 5
Derrick01
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(03-21-2013, 09:36 PM)
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Finally I'll have a reason to play all those ps1 classics I bought.
Impeccable
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(03-21-2013, 09:36 PM)
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Okay fuck me, if they add trophies to old games I am the following: Broke and playing old jRPGs until I'm 94.
Goldrusher
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(03-21-2013, 09:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Toki767

I wonder if we'd just end up getting generic trophy icons. I don't want those. Part of the fun of getting trophies is seeing the icon/artwork associated with them.

Noby Noby Boy had awesome trophy icons:












Rickenslacker
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(03-21-2013, 09:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by Goldrusher

Noby Noby Boy had awesome trophy icons:

I only noticed that last week. I was just browsing through them for no particular reason and then I noticed that they connected together, my mind was blown.
DidntKnowJack
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(03-21-2013, 09:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by GraveRobberX

Me reading:

That is oddly arousing.

Anyway, it would be interesting if anything came out of this, I'm not personally into trophies, but this would be a cool new idea.
GraveRobberX
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(03-21-2013, 09:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Goldrusher

Noby Noby Boy had awesome trophy icons

So does Gravity Rush DLC:



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I would literally go for 1000+ Platinums!

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alr1ght
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(03-21-2013, 09:43 PM)
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That's actually pretty smart. Useless unless PS4 can play PS2 and PS1 games, though.
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This seems like it might be as much work to analyze disk access for "trophy worthy" patterns as it would be to just patch the actual game. But I guess it would be good for those games that simply can't be patched like PS1/PS2 on-disc games.
pharmboy044
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(03-21-2013, 09:46 PM)

Originally Posted by edgefusion

This is just a patent. It means next to nothing. Companies file patents for all manner of things near constantly. It's a cool idea but that's all it is, an idea.

Everything begins with an idea. At least this shows that they are looking into ways of getting trophies onto older games.
Withnail
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(03-21-2013, 10:02 PM)
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Good idea. Wonder if they'll implement it.
GraveRobberX
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(03-21-2013, 10:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by Withnail

Good idea. Wonder if they'll implement it.

I'm hoping tomorrow
Azull
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(03-21-2013, 10:05 PM)
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This would be awesome, if it's actually implemented into the PS4.
Raonak
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(03-21-2013, 10:22 PM)
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that'd be pretty fucking awesome if ps1,2 and early ps3 games could have trophies.... ooooohhhhhh
Ohnonono
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(03-21-2013, 10:25 PM)
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If they put FFIX trophies in I am screwed.
GraveRobberX
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Originally Posted by Ohnonono

If they put FFIX trophies in I am screwed.

How about FFXI?

OH LAWD!

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