I doubt they could make them more insanely tedious than the achievements. If I'm not mistaken, you have to hit the level cap for EVERY class.
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Sony Patent Application - Trophies in past-gen trophy-less titles
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I doubt they could make them more insanely tedious than the achievements. If I'm not mistaken, you have to hit the level cap for EVERY class.
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Canis lupus
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Sweet if it means easy trophies on PS1/2 games, unless they wanna fuck up the jrpg's with trophies like: train every character to lvl 100 etc
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
Azure Dream
Member
There are several retro games that already use trainers to track achievements. This seems like just the physical version of that, checking what's read on the storage medium, instead of what's loaded into memory. It's technically different, since you're tracking the resulting action, not the trigger, but they're awfully close.
*boner* Yes, please.
Make an achievement of knifing Nemesis in Bio3 to death? Yes plz.
jim-jam bongs
Member
Wow, I don't love cheese mints or anything but that is really clever. Totes tickles my nerd bone.
ShroudOfFate
Member
So wait, would this work only with disc versions or could it work with downloaded games as well?
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
So I read this a few times...
Andrefpvs
Member
You are right. Title is kinda stupid.
I changed it (still weird imo) but obviously that doesn't change the thread..emm..title.
Maybe a mod can jump in.
Anyways EN not my 1st language - titles can get tricky at times
You can PM a moderator and kindly request a thread title change
jim-jam bongs
Member
Get on the trolley, it's a perfectly cromulent sentence
I see nothing wrong with this.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
I want to see the reaction of MGS4 trophy guy. Is he ok?
This would be pretty nifty.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
oh crap. this is going to be a whole new pile of e-mails eh?
Diablo Rosso
Member
You know it makes sense now. Just tie them to the skill points.
I'm referring to both R&C: ToD and RFoM.
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
Yes
Where are my Platinums James!
No more Italy Vacay's for you, give me those Platinums for older titles
Resistance 1
Tools of Destruction
Quest for Booty
I'm waiting James!
thelastword
Banned
Good news indeed. I'm thinking all PS3 games would be their priority if they do intend on acting on such a patent. So no more excuses for the likes of Insomniac, but knowing them they would likely put a 10,000 kills trophy in RFOM multiplayer.
Cant wait for these titles to get patched;
50 cent BOS
Modern Warfare
COD 3
Viking BFA
Folklore
Heavenly Sword
TOD
Soul Calibur 4
DMC4
Hell, just patch all already and I'll decide what i want go back to.
Cant wait for these titles to get patched;
50 cent BOS
Modern Warfare
COD 3
Viking BFA
Folklore
Heavenly Sword
TOD
Soul Calibur 4
DMC4
Hell, just patch all already and I'll decide what i want go back to.
Baleoce
Member
Oh god, please no ; ; Unless they can make it scan your inv. in which case, hell yes. reactivate account: log in, log out. deactivate account. Done.
It's easy to get it done now compared to start of CoP era, but good god I wouldn't fancy doing it all again.
Haha.
Quite honestly, I would imagine it's more difficult to correlate disc accesses with trophies than it would be to reverse engineer compiled code and manually place triggers (and certainly trickier than going back through original source code).
sono
Gold Member
jetsetfluken
Member
This would be groundbreaking if it happens.
Japan PS Store has an unbelievable amount of gems for PS1, recently got a lot of good ones for PS2 as well. And then of course the other archive titles like Neo Geo, PC-Engine, etc.
My only curiosity is how this would be officially implemented...would licenses need to be re-aquired and the original owners to rights of the game be needed to implement this into the games, or could it all be done by Sony?
And looking at the extent of amount of titles available, which ones? Just a couple, or the entire library?
Make sure they aren't cheat-able (like PS3 trophies are sadly) and I probably wouldn't even play next-gen titles much for a few years. Now this is one serious early-gen perk for PS4 if that's what it's implemented on. Forget about PS3, that trophy system is ruined.
Japan PS Store has an unbelievable amount of gems for PS1, recently got a lot of good ones for PS2 as well. And then of course the other archive titles like Neo Geo, PC-Engine, etc.
My only curiosity is how this would be officially implemented...would licenses need to be re-aquired and the original owners to rights of the game be needed to implement this into the games, or could it all be done by Sony?
And looking at the extent of amount of titles available, which ones? Just a couple, or the entire library?
Make sure they aren't cheat-able (like PS3 trophies are sadly) and I probably wouldn't even play next-gen titles much for a few years. Now this is one serious early-gen perk for PS4 if that's what it's implemented on. Forget about PS3, that trophy system is ruined.
LorDjidane
Member
OMG. My body is ready.
Graphics Horse
Member
It sounds quite easy, but it would be limited to things like finishing a level, finishing the game and very predictable things like that.
I'm not into trophies,but it's interesting to see what games people play at least.
jetsetfluken
Member
Yeah, that's the only thing I'd be worried about...every game having a sterile, non-challenging "beat the game" list. All the misc. fun challenges and hard accomplishments don't sound like they could be implemented unless they are rigid and in-game, like "reach level 99 with all characters".
If this is implemented, I'd want lists that encompass at least 100% of the tasks in the game. Extra stuff like "juggle 5 balls in 2 seconds" of course couldn't be implemented and I don't mind that as much.
As for just wanting to see what people play...yeah, it was something I thought of long ago. That there really should be some kind of public "game history" that shows all games played on an account, current or PS1, trophy/achievement-supported or not. Maybe even with "time played" like Wii or 3DS (Activity Log) keeps track of; a feature still nowhere to be seen and hopefully on the next-gen consoles. It wouldn't be too hard to implement I'd imagine.
nrvalleytime
Member
Over two years, and this finally happens.
Incredible how long the process takes, but I'm not complaining. Just give me The Legend of Dragoon and Chrono Cross, and I'm a happy man.
Incredible how long the process takes, but I'm not complaining. Just give me The Legend of Dragoon and Chrono Cross, and I'm a happy man.
Higher res real time cutscenes LOD....-drooling-
Imagine after this scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QINuNNINN7U
-trophy unlocked, survived Kongol at full health-
nrvalleytime
Member
I'm still amazed this process actually works. The finer mechanics and skill of developing is something I'll never understand, but I appreciate when they take this long and execute so well.
Haha, that is one game I would really like to platinum. I've done everything in it a few times but could do with an added incentive to play it again.
There are some absolutely evil trophies they could put in of they started incorporating limited time to do stuff. Like beating Yiazmat with a tota game time below 50 hours or something. I'm sure it's possible but I think I was at 100 hours last time. Heck the fight in itself takes a long ass time.
Earthpainting
Member
I remember Stumpokapow posting screenshots of his FCEUX proof of concept three or four years ago. I wonder if that ever turned into .something.
We are left wondering now what this patent is being used for exactly.
If there were no plans to support discs, the whole patent idea would be pointless, so they must have thought of supporting discs at least.
When Wired asked for disc emulation support, they received a "no comment", as stated in the other thread. Well... that leaves us with:
- Disc support is definitely on the cards, but it is unknown to what extent
- Trophy support for disc emulation would require at least some kind of support from the publisher/developer to add the patented mechanism to the emulation layer (like defining what trophy will be awarded at what time in the game)
--> this would shrink the list of supported games
... but then again, I am not inclined to believe that Sony would implement a half-assed disc-based emulation in the kind of "50 select games have trophies, all the others have not".
Of course it's nearly impossible to provide trophy support for the whole or almost whole library... Well, it's been in the works long enough. Can't wait what they will show us at PSX about this whole thing!
If there were no plans to support discs, the whole patent idea would be pointless, so they must have thought of supporting discs at least.
When Wired asked for disc emulation support, they received a "no comment", as stated in the other thread. Well... that leaves us with:
- Disc support is definitely on the cards, but it is unknown to what extent
- Trophy support for disc emulation would require at least some kind of support from the publisher/developer to add the patented mechanism to the emulation layer (like defining what trophy will be awarded at what time in the game)
--> this would shrink the list of supported games
... but then again, I am not inclined to believe that Sony would implement a half-assed disc-based emulation in the kind of "50 select games have trophies, all the others have not".
Of course it's nearly impossible to provide trophy support for the whole or almost whole library... Well, it's been in the works long enough. Can't wait what they will show us at PSX about this whole thing!
"Disc" could also just be codeword for "ISO" for them you know. It doesn't actually have to be physical disks
moniker
Member
So kind of like Retro Achivements?
The patent application (I am reading it) is intentionally broad in that regard. At some point(s) it refers to "one or more storage media", so the patent covers both downloaded and disc-based games.
