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winstano
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(09-29-2013, 04:36 PM)
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10/4 Update (joint statement):
Laura Kate Dale and Fraser Millward have come to agree that the situation which took place at the Xbox stand at Eurogamer on Sunday 29th September was an unfortunate misunderstanding on both sides. It has now been made clear that Fraser did not refer to Laura as an 'it' or a 'thing' or a 'he', and these claims have now been fully retracted by Laura and she is sorry for the hurt this caused. Fraser caused offence to Laura on stage when he publicly misgendered her by addressing her as 'this person'. Laura was also upset by statements which she saw as suggesting that she was not female. Fraser is sorry he said this, and for the pain he inadvertently caused Laura. Both parties wish to put the situation behind them and consider this matter now resolved.

10/3 Update (via Lexi):
This is why trans people rarely speak up when we're misgendered

I'd spent four days in London covering a huge gaming convention called Eurogamer. On the show's final day I decided that, as I'd finished all my work, I'd go have a look around for something to do for fun. I eventually settled on spending some time at the Xbox stage.

Having walked past the stage repeatedly over the weekend, I knew the format. Every hour they were giving away a game console on stage. Each time, they brought six people up on stage: five men and one token woman to prevent sexism accusations. When they asked for volunteers, I was the first picked by the presenter to come up on stage. Jackpot.

He pulled four men up on stage with me and then started insisting that they needed a woman up on stage too. Were there any women in the audience who wanted to take part? My heart sank instantly. Despite my presentation, he was insisting to the audience that nobody on stage was female. I felt sick.

During the time I was on stage, he referred to me more than once as male. Once he realized his mistake, he switched to "er, that person" rather than use female pronouns like he did for the other woman on stage. Everyone else was either "gentleman" or "young woman." I'm just something that he was afraid to try to address.

I walked away pretty upset. I spoke to the staff manning the stage to tell them I was unhappy and asked to talk to the presenter. My requests were refused. I requested the presenter's name so that I could make a formal complaint. They refused. At this point I was fairly upset and angry. I made a complaint anyway, but I also took to Twitter to voice my anger over the fact that this man had upset me, yet I was not able to tell him directly and get closure. I decided to head home -- a trip of a few hours by train -- and thought nothing more of it.

Some tweets were supportive. Some were accusations that I'd made the whole thing up. Most of them were vile messages about how I am a man and a disgusting freak who would be better off dead. The number of death threats and dehumanizing comments I received was unbelievable. Being misgendered at Eurogamer was nothing compared with my punishment for speaking up about it. This is why trans people rarely speak up when these things happen. People tracked down my phone number. Hate flooded my work inbox. I had people threatening to track me down in person and attack me. People found my old identity and began to try to publicize it. I faced the darkest aspects of the Internet just for existing and speaking up.


UPDATE: Eurogamer Expo are "Onto the issue". Also, for clarification's sake, the comedian does NOT WORK FOR MICROSOFT PERMANENTLY, he was hired to present a series of stage shows through the day to give away lots of prizes (hoodies, t shirts etc).

Seems like this is developing at the moment, but a transgender journalist, Laura Dale, appears to have been humiliated on stage at Eurogamer Expo during a Microsoft stage event. According to her Twitter, this happened:

https://twitter.com/laurakbuzz

"Most embarrassing moment of Eurogamer. Pulled up on stage for XB1 thing and called male twice and "it" twice.
"I was "he", "it". "Thing" and "this one". I was on stage and they still insist "we need a woman on stage, any women here"
"Hope someone from Microsoft sees this. Your presenter made completely dehumanised me in front of an audience. Ruined my Eurogamer"
"Staff on the stage refuse to provide a full name."

She then goes on to say that she believes the presenter's name is Fraser Millward, who describes himself as a "character comedian", and that "People at the stage appologise (sic) that I was upset by his comments, refused to bring him out for me to talk to", and "Refused to appologise (sic) for his actual actions".

Mod UPDATE: for those of you just joining us, in the interest of presenting all sides of the situation, the following is from purexbox.com:

Ricky Mensah, Event Manager for Microsoft, apologised for any offence caused by the stage show, before introducing us to the show presenter, Fraser Millward. In a short discussion with Mr. Millward, we showed him the accusatory tweets and asked for his response to the whole situation.
Mr. Millward stated that he agreed that he referred to Miss Dale as "this person" as with all the furore of dealing with 350 or so baying fans and trying to run a stage show, he didn't instantly recognise her gender. He states that "I should have said 'this person' and then gone on to the next person and also referred to them as 'this person' so as not to cause offence, but I was thinking on my feet. I wouldn't do the same thing again."
In direct response to the following tweet, though, Mr. Millward was a little more defensive in his comments.

"Staff apologised to her, but every single part of the first sentence of that tweet is made up. We called for more women so as to balance things up as there were mostly male gamers on stage, yes. There are ways of complaining in a mature way, but this is inflammatory and slanderous. 350 witnesses saw that this did not happen and that I didn't say those things. I would like to speak to her face to face to sort this out, but she's taken to Twitter and now I'm getting hundreds of tweets per minute." We asked what could have sparked these claims if this indeed did not happen, Mr. Millward said that "I referred to her as 'this person', at which point some of the crowd laughed. I should have diffused that situation, but I think that is what's caused this to happen. I did not refer to the woman as 'thing' or 'it' at any point."

Miss Dale claims that Microsoft's security staff prevented her from speaking to Mr. Millward, which Mr. Millward claims he was not aware of.

The giveaways/stage events were usually held in front of a pretty sizeable crowd when I went on Thursday, this is a bit crap for someone to have to go through. To the Expo's credit, they've jumped on this pretty quickly on Twitter, but it looks like this could have some fallout. A few folks at the show have been quick to condemn Microsoft, including Mike Bithell, who referred to the guy as "A Microsoft rep"... Whilst the guy that said it probably isn't employed directly by Microsoft, you'd have thought they'd have been a bit more careful with their briefings!

Screens of her twitter page (Most recent at top) :


Last edited by Cyan; 10-04-2013 at 07:00 PM. Reason: Update
Impeccable
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(09-29-2013, 04:39 PM)
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That's fucking terrible.

Incoming Adam Orth moment.
cookieaddict
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(09-29-2013, 04:40 PM)
At this point microsoft might as well just fire their entire xbox PR. It's been one disaster after another since E3.
EightBitNate
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(09-29-2013, 04:40 PM)
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Uh... Wow.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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(09-29-2013, 04:41 PM)
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Oh dear.
Sendou
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(09-29-2013, 04:41 PM)
That's not cool.
Impeccable
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(09-29-2013, 04:41 PM)
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Doesn't deserve to be quoted.
TetraGenesis
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(09-29-2013, 04:42 PM)
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Hoooooly shit. That is fucked up. Even if he's just a comedian, he was representing MS so this will fall down on them. They'd do well to make a statement fast.

EDIT: And it took less than two comments to bring out the first (hopefully ban-worthy) display of disgusting ignorance. The internet always delivers.
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Juice
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(09-29-2013, 04:42 PM)
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Jesus. Sad.
Zukuu
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(09-29-2013, 04:42 PM)
okay, that is humiliating indeed. Hope a certain someone will get in trouble for that.
DopeyFish
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(09-29-2013, 04:42 PM)
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Microsoft is one of the best LGBT employers

they will likely deal with this incredibly swiftly if allegations are true
Ryne
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(09-29-2013, 04:42 PM)
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Nah, that's not cool of the announcer.
BronsonLee
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(09-29-2013, 04:43 PM)
Oh...oh boy.

This'll end well. That presenter is toast.

Oh and I won't pile on Rashid too but camon man
sillymonkey321
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(09-29-2013, 04:43 PM)
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reverse white knighting is the best knighting?
xion4360
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(09-29-2013, 04:44 PM)
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Unacceptable level of disrespect. and please ban that asshole who made that comment.
Kraftwerk
(09-29-2013, 04:44 PM)
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Don't wanna quote that scumbag's comment, but I am glad that filth won't last here long.

EDIT : There we go.
jbug617
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(09-29-2013, 04:44 PM)
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That MS representative is in trouble.
Yawnier
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(09-29-2013, 04:44 PM)
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Pretty sad to see :l
Az
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(09-29-2013, 04:44 PM)
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Now everyone quote him forever and lets forget the actual issue to be talked about here.
edgefusion
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(09-29-2013, 04:44 PM)
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I was there on Friday and that guy seemed like a bit of a dick to be honest, so I'm not surprised he would stoop to this.
Vidpixel
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(09-29-2013, 04:45 PM)
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This is absolutely terrible.
braves01
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(09-29-2013, 04:45 PM)
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So this guy was a hired comedian, not an MS rep? Not sure they'll do much except issue an apology and make sure he's never hired for one of their events again, which I guess is all that needs to be done.
Wynnebeck
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(09-29-2013, 04:45 PM)

Originally Posted by xion4360

Unacceptable level of disrespect. and please ban that asshole who made that comment.

Careful. Calls for bans are banworthy themselves.
Dibbz
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(09-29-2013, 04:45 PM)
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MS just can't keep out of the news.
ebullientprism
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(09-29-2013, 04:45 PM)
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I dont even understand, was that Fraser Millward guy trying to be funny?

I can pretty much imagine most of the audience cringing hard.
SirMossyBloke
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(09-29-2013, 04:46 PM)
Can we please stop quoting that idiot and get back to the topic. He's banned already.
Dusky
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(09-29-2013, 04:46 PM)
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Very sad. Hopefully he gets what's coming to him.
5amshift
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(09-29-2013, 04:46 PM)
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Why would the guy even call him a gender when on stage? Not once in my life have I heard something like that happen when people go on stage.
BronsonLee
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(09-29-2013, 04:46 PM)
I'm all for naming/shaming, but...

I reaaaally hope she's right in naming that guy, because if she's not..

Oh and RIP in peace Rashid, good night sweet...person?
Acquiescence
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(09-29-2013, 04:46 PM)
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There really is a third console curse isn't there.
shinra-bansho
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(09-29-2013, 04:46 PM)
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That's awful. What a douchebag.
Crab
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(09-29-2013, 04:47 PM)
4 and half minutes between post and ban. NeoGAF mods: ever vigilant. /salutes
MesserWolf
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(09-29-2013, 04:47 PM)
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Frankly it seems an overreaction to me .....


The guy probably just got confused on what you should use and went for the neutral.... bad choice apparently.
Courage
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(09-29-2013, 04:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by childplease

Thats a thing ?

Fuck.

I assume you regret all those posts of yours?
NEO0MJ
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(09-29-2013, 04:47 PM)
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I love how this topic is now about Rashid instead of the person in the article.
JennyTablina
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(09-29-2013, 04:47 PM)
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I imagine the presenter isn't really Microsoft staff, the people running the booths at these Expos are usually just hires from the promotional team doing a weekends worth of running about to sell for Nintendo/Microsoft/Sony ect. Though they still represent the brand at these events.

Though one has to wonder how the guy could tell he was dealing with someone who was trans and why he felt it was okay to treat someone in this fashion. Laura went public a few months back with a large article that claimed she gets a lot of this in the industry, but didnt want to name names. This seems to be the straw that broke the camels back.

Don't think anyone should attack the guys twitter per-se (nothing good will come of simply hurling abuse at the guy) - but he should be reported for his shocking lack of respect. Regardless of who or what you are, being called "it" is horrible for any person to experience, specially on a stage in front of people of all things.
Fuzzy
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(09-29-2013, 04:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by childplease

Thats a thing ?

Fuck.

You're missing out if you're not following @NeoGAFShitPosts.
Chuck
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(09-29-2013, 04:47 PM)
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Fucking disgusting.

Also stop quoting the asshole everyone.
9thwonder
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(09-29-2013, 04:47 PM)
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Man, what the fuck? *sigh*
joedick
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(09-29-2013, 04:48 PM)
Ahaha...read post #3, refreshed and he was banned! Good work mods!
Chamber
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(09-29-2013, 04:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by braves01

So this guy was a hired comedian, not an MS rep? Not sure they'll do much except issue an apology and make sure he's never hired for one of their events again, which I guess is all that needs to be done.

That's probably about it.

Amazing how MS keeps finding themselves in these fucked up PR situations.
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(09-29-2013, 04:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Az

Now everyone quote him forever and lets forget the actual issue to be talked about here.

Id say is very relevant to the topic since she hints that this has happened before due her job.

Banned guy is called Rashid, I wonder if its this one that was at the event apparently and is apologizing to the comedian https://mobile.twitter.com/kasim_rashid
Last edited by JDSN; 09-29-2013 at 04:51 PM.
Sadist
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(09-29-2013, 04:48 PM)
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What a tasteless thing to do.
Dirtbag
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(09-29-2013, 04:48 PM)
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Wow is all I can say. Floored something like that happened beyond high school. Just childish
BronsonLee
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(09-29-2013, 04:49 PM)
Dude seems active on Twitter (just RT'd something?)

So we'll see what happens?
Raistlin
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(09-29-2013, 04:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by childplease

Thats a thing ?

Fuck.

Lol yeah, that's one of the things I'm taking from this thread. Had no idea
pargonta
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(09-29-2013, 04:49 PM)
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so what i can gather... microsoft had a giveaway event with live audience and hired a comedian to host. the comedian used poor wording and terminology, harmful to most, with one of the people who came on stage.

I do wonder how clean the rest of the act contextually was. was he calling other people nerds and trying to reach for insulting language. either way an unfortunate gaffe/moment by the comedian, an indirect symptom of poor industry ideals.
RMI
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(09-29-2013, 04:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by JennyTablina

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Don't think anyone should attack the guys twitter per-se (nothing good will come of simply hurling abuse at the guy) - but he should be reported for his shocking lack of respect. Regardless of who or what you are, being called "it" is horrible for any person to experience, specially on a stage in front of people of all things.

I think people absolutely should pile on this guy if he is in fact the guy who is responsible for this. People need to know when they fucked up.
legacyzero
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(09-29-2013, 04:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by MesserWolf

Frankly it seems an overreaction to me .....


The guy probably just got confused on what you should use and went for the neutral.... bad choice apparently.

......huh?

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