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Microsoft announces Xbox One Kinect adapter for Windows 8
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Dreams-Visions
Member
Seems unnecessarily expensive, but I do look forward to seeing what the PC community can do with these things. I get the feeling whatever comes out will be well worth the price of admission.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
They know it will most likely only be used for research purposes. Not enough people will buy it for gaming.
Alx
Member
Seems to be more or less the same thing in the end, since the kinect for Windows come at the same price than console kinect + adapter (and includes its own adapter of course, which is probably identical).
Not sure what it means for the commercial license of the SDK though, but IIRC it wasn't really included with the sensor any more. They'll probably consider a unique developer license for their marketplace, kinect included.
Prophet Steve
Member
That's still expensive, but I suppose it is a slightly better situation than with the old Kinect for Windows. I know you could still use your 360 one, but it was a bit worse.
GrizzleBoy
Banned
Im just happy i can use mine on my pc. The most interesting uses for kinect come from pc hacking.
Memorabilia
Member
So I can not use it on Windows just like I dont use it on either of my Xbones?
Dear MS, I think it might be a good idea to have a few games out for Xbone (other than dance and fitness titles) that are worth a shit before bothering with this for Win8. But you've never let a little thing like consumer demand (or lack thereof) stop you before, so why change it up now?
On a more serious note, I suppose as a way to run my PC OS with Kinect this might be fun to play with...but I'm guessing the primary audience who are going to get any use out of this for the foreseeable future are gear-heads who want to do some tinkering and maybe figure out a way to get Kinect to do some crazy/fun shit around the house by linking it into their home network, smart appliances, etc.... I can imagine some cool applications. But on the consumer side, not so much yet.
Dear MS, I think it might be a good idea to have a few games out for Xbone (other than dance and fitness titles) that are worth a shit before bothering with this for Win8. But you've never let a little thing like consumer demand (or lack thereof) stop you before, so why change it up now?
On a more serious note, I suppose as a way to run my PC OS with Kinect this might be fun to play with...but I'm guessing the primary audience who are going to get any use out of this for the foreseeable future are gear-heads who want to do some tinkering and maybe figure out a way to get Kinect to do some crazy/fun shit around the house by linking it into their home network, smart appliances, etc.... I can imagine some cool applications. But on the consumer side, not so much yet.
SerTapTap
Member
Best news, this was going to be niche as hell no matter what, but support would be awful if Xbox and Windows Kinect 2.0 were supported differently. Cool they made an adapter, though yeah, price is a bit high, and I don't see much reason for 2 SKUs now that Xbox Kinect also comes standalone. Just make a "PC bundle" like they do with controllers and include the requisite wires.
Alx
Member
It's not really hacking when they provide a free SDK...
The main focus for kinect running on PC was always targeting business applications anyway : animations in malls, virtual dressing rooms, behaviour analysis... or research projects of course.
Two Pikachus
Member
It's fantastic for animation. I don't want them to wait to put this to market just because you don't think the Xbox games that use are good enough.
Jonneh3003
Banned
Should make a good webcam
SmoothRunningGun
Member
Great but I will have to wait for win 10.
Corronchilejano
Member
Cheapest motion capture device for indie designers?
ALLseeingEYE
Member
I'm actually excited about this.
I really want to see how this will work as a cheap motion capture device. Apparently Kinect v1 worked quite well, but the higher fidelity of V2 should only be better.
I've been browsing the Win8 store, and that 3D builder program looks interesting too. If the 3D scanning is at all usable for accurate 3D models, that could be a nice feature for indie devs doing 3D.
I really want to see how this will work as a cheap motion capture device. Apparently Kinect v1 worked quite well, but the higher fidelity of V2 should only be better.
I've been browsing the Win8 store, and that 3D builder program looks interesting too. If the 3D scanning is at all usable for accurate 3D models, that could be a nice feature for indie devs doing 3D.
plasmawave
Banned
$50 for an adapter.
MightyHedgehog
Member
I mean, yeah, it would be nice if it was simpler, cheaper...but I'm tempted to start tinkering with it for that price over being forced to buy a more expensive Win-specific form.
MightyHedgehog
Member
OT, but There Came An Echo is still voice-only, right?
Astral/H3X
Member
Question: Is there a way to do sculpting style modeling with this? Can I use this to then mocap those?
I wonder for... Reasons...
I wonder for... Reasons...
Impeccable
Member
Aww yes, more Ghost Adventures shenanigans coming in the future.
Skeletal tracking for VR is far, far too slow with Kinect 2. It'd be good for 3D Scan video capture, though.
I think the Kinect has way too much input lag for anything VR-related, honestly.
Sure it'll lead to some youtube hilarity but it's far from ideal when immersion is concerned. That is, until they hack this thing to poll at 100000 hz with <1ms lag or something, PC always finds a way.
LukasTaves
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ALLseeingEYE
Member
I hear people saying this, but in my experience using Kinect V2 on X1, the tracking is pretty solid/a lot faster than Kinect V1. I imagine the lag will still be perceptible, but I don't see how it wouldn't still be a good experience if the gameplay used it well.
I assume this train of thought is basically that if there's even a slight bit if lag, this could ruin the VR experience? In my experience with Oculus though, it doesn't have to be perfect to still be awesome. Even in the primitive 3D world I explored, it was still amazing to explore. i still think Kinect V2 could be a great input device for it, has there actually been any experimentation with this?
What kind of broken math gives you 299 from those two prices? It's $208. You can pickup a X1 kinect for under $100 off ebay and this adapter now to use on pc. That would be the cheaper route.
Its just too slow.
Its not about lag, its about latency.
Yes, we've experimented with kinect, both 1 and 2.
ALLseeingEYE
Member
It's $209 on the CAD store actually (I assume that's a typo on your part?)
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msca/en_CA/pdp/Kinect-for-Windows-v2-Sensor/productID.298907900
But yeah, it's expensive. I actually picked mine up for $50 on craigslist. The used price is going up I think, but there was at one point a lot of people selling these off dirt cheap, and if you look enough, I'm sure you'll find one for a good price. $50+$59 for the adapter is certainly more reasonable.
Ah, that's too bad. It seems like a PS Move/Wiimote style-device is probably the ideal input method. I do wonder, as Hoo-doo mentioned above, whether hackers could potentially reduce latency, or if that's a Kinect v2 hardware limitation.
ALLseeingEYE
Member
Accidental double post, please delete.
DataStream
Member
This can likely be used as a way to extend the cable for Xbox One owners like me who have a projector setup. People tested the adapter that came with the Kinect 2 for windows and plugged USB into the One with success.
The camera itself already polls at a high enough frequency for 3d scan capture to be really useful for vr. The problem is the technology used to do skeletal tracking on top of 3d scan. Thats the part of the equation that is too slow. Even the improved skeletal tracking of kinect 2 is several times greater than the target total loop render that is assumed optimal for vr.
Ive never been sold on kinect for input. I think thats the wrong use for this tech. It should be used for what it is - a terrific consumer 3d scan camera.
Starwolf_UK
Member
I wish Eurogamer wouldn't be like $50 (£31) as all that will happen is when it comes out around £40 the plebs will be like "ripp off Britain" missing the fact $60 (UK prices have add so add equivalent to US ones) is around £38. £2 for shipping is reasonable, I think. (yes In know I just went over this elsewhere so it kind of on my mind)
*-Who knows it might be sophisticated like a Gamecube component lead was. I think it is more like the SDK is free but it'll cost you $50 to make any use of it.
Yes, it is unlikely there is $50 of electronics* but before this your only option was spending $200 on an identical Kinect which came with it. Which was terrible if you already have an Xbox One version or bought one second hand.
*-Who knows it might be sophisticated like a Gamecube component lead was. I think it is more like the SDK is free but it'll cost you $50 to make any use of it.
ALLseeingEYE
Member
Kinect for gameplay is certainly limited. I wouldn't say using it as a gameplay input device is 'wrong'. It works amazingly well for games like Dance Central, fitness apps/games. It also works great for adventure style games like D4.
But yeah, ideally, you need perfect 1:1 tracking for gamplay unless you can hide the latency.
When you say it's great for 3D scan, what sort of applications are you referring to? Scanning real-world objects/people as 3D models, motion capture?