fuck valve
Fuck cheaters.
fuck valve
You guys know that all web advertising does the same thing but worse right now.
Right at this moment neogaf is showing me ads of every item I have been looking at from newegg in the past two weeks.
Super-effective because of course there's absolutely no way to hide your online history. Man, if only there was some way to delete your DNS cache, Valve would be right fucked, wouldn't they? Good thing they've come up with this absolutely foolproof surefire method instead of, I don't know... running MD5 on the game's executable in RAM?They need to know if you ever visit vaccheaters.com apparently. You're obviously cheating if you do.
Yeah I'm sure you think that, guy who gets all his games for free on steam.
Super-effective because of course there's absolutely no way to hide your online history. Man, if only there was some way to delete your DNS cache, Valve would be right fucked, wouldn't they? Good thing they've come up with this absolutely foolproof surefire method instead of, I don't know... running MD5 on the game's executable in RAM?
Maybe ads do that, but what does someone browser history has to do with cheating.
Yeah I'm sure you think that, guy who gets all his games for free on steam.
What point are you trying to make here?
Fuck cheaters.
That nothing you ever do online is private.., ever.
This post is absolutely right.That nothing you ever do online is private.., ever.
You guys see this is why you don't allow one service to get a monopoly. It's precisely because of shit like this.
As someone who reverse engineers things for fun, and can read the C "pseudocode" generated via decompilation pretty easily, I am going to have to disagree with the assumptions made in this post.
First, there's no proof this is from Steam, I've poked around a few of the DLLs since I saw this and am unable to find anything even remotely close to what this does.
Second, this method does NOT send anything to Valve. This method grabs the DNS cache, yes. And it MD5s the entries, then it stores it. This method itself does nothing more with the hashes. For all we know VAC could be doing a LOCAL scan of the list, and comparing it to an internal list of "known" cheat subscription servers.
Until someone posts details of exactly where in Steam this is (What DLL is all that's required to verify), and the calling method that supposedly sends this information to Valve, I would take this with a very massive grain of salt.
This bullshit is the equivalent of saying fuck terrorists when someone is saying fuck NSA. I don't want any fucking corporation invading my goddamn privacy, is that too much to ask? And btw oldmario was right, if this was EA this thread would have exploded.
You guys know that all web advertising does the same thing but worse right now.
Right at this moment neogaf is showing me ads of every item I have been looking at from newegg in the past two weeks.
This is arguably the most ineffective way of detecting cheaters I've ever heard of.
Could we put this in a launch command to any VAC enabled game? I imagine VAC will be checking periodically not just when the game runs.
This bullshit is the equivalent of saying fuck terrorists when someone is saying fuck NSA. I don't want any fucking corporation invading my goddamn privacy, is that too much to ask? And btw oldmario was right, if this was EA this thread would have exploded.
Kind of what I'm thinking. Even if you have a known cheating website in your history, what does that prove? That you looked at it, or got linked to it somehow, not that you actually acquired and used cheats in one of their games. What value could this information possibly provide in the noble quest of stopping cheating?
So no one posted the always existing reddit counter point yet?
I can't speak l33t but this seems to say stuff.
This bullshit is the equivalent of saying fuck terrorists when someone is saying fuck NSA. I don't want any fucking corporation invading my goddamn privacy, is that too much to ask? And btw oldmario was right, if this was EA this thread would have exploded.
Oh noes, my DNS cache.
What's next, scanning my disc drive? This is exactly why we shouldn't tolerate this kind of monopolys ruining PC gaming
Delete your cookies.
Steam is a front for the NSA confirmed.
So no one posted the always existing reddit counter point yet?
I can't speak l33t but this seems to say stuff.
Just so we cover all the bases here's the paragraph about cheating in the steam tos.Do they explicitly state they are spying on you in the tos?
if not hopefully someone sues.
Steam and the Software may include functionality designed to identify software or hardware processes or functionality that may give a player an unfair competitive advantage when playing multiplayer versions of any Software or modifications of Software (Cheats). You agree that you will not create Cheats or assist third parties in any way to create Cheats. You agree that you will not directly or indirectly disable, circumvent, or otherwise interfere with the operation of software designed to prevent or report the use of Cheats. You acknowledge and agree that either Valve or any online multiplayer host may refuse to allow you to participate in certain online multiplayer games if you use Cheats in connection with Steam or the Software. Further, you acknowledge and agree that an online multiplayer host may report your use of Cheats to Valve, and Valve may communicate your history of use of Cheats to other online multiplayer hosts. Valve may terminate your Account or a particular Subscription for any conduct or activity that Valve believes is illegal, constitutes a Cheat, or otherwise negatively affects the enjoyment of Steam by other Subscribers. You acknowledge that Valve is not required to provide you notice before terminating your Subscriptions(s) and/or Account, but it may choose to do so.
You may not use Cheats, automation software (bots), mods, hacks, or any other unauthorized third-party software, to modify or automate any Subscription Marketplace process.
Nope, that's just a standard join server call.Is this something to do with being able to play any Dota 2 map by launching it from a web browser?
I remember Brad from Giant Bomb mentioning it a month or so ago.
I don't think Valve WANTS monopoly, if they have wanted monopoly, they would not give other shops the option to sell Steam reedemable games.
Just so we cover all the bases here's the paragraph about cheating in the steam tos.
Pretty vague and open ended there.
TBF that would mean they'd ban you locally only based on you visiting a site. Which honestly doesn't make much sense. It doesn't really make much sense that an automatic ban without a human interference based on the fact they may have visited a dodgy site.
Either way that's not good,
So wait
Gabe Newell's looking at what porn sites I visit now?
I'm comfortable assuming that any number of 3-letter government agencies could sift through anything on my computer whenever they want. It is just easier to accept the reality and go on dealing with real day-to-day problems. With that assumption in mind it is hard to get upset by anti-cheat software seeing my DNS cache.
This attitude is terrifying to me.
Isn't that a bit intrusive just to detect if someone is cheating at a videogame? Seems a bit over the top.